Yahoo! article (Harriet Sinclair, Newsweek):"Trump Reportedly Asked Pals At Mar a Lago What To Do On Gun Control After Florida Shooting"
lol, "asked pals"
"President Donald Trump reportedly asked friends who were staying at Mar a Lago what he should do about gun control following the school shooting in Florida last week."
It's not that he was taking feedback from people or soliciting input from trusted sources. (Which seems like what you should expect him to do, if it should even be noteworthy.) He was "asking his pals what he should do". Lol.
The tone they use in these articles relative to how they'd describe it if it were Obama or a different President is really fascinating.
"According to a number of people who spoke with Trump at Mar a Lago over the two days he was there, the president kept an obsessive eye on media coverage around the shooting, watching interviews with survivors from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Parkland, The Washington Post reported on Sunday."
He didn't "work tirelessly to stay briefed on the day's events" as any respectable President would have done. He kept an "obsessive eye", as tho there's something vaguely not right about watching the news coverage.
"And if the president was indeed watching the reaction of the surviving students, they sent a clear message to Trump: take action."
Because what the students say should necessarily shed any light on which course of action is best?
Of course it's horrible that the students had to live thru this. But living thru a crisis doesn't somehow put you in position of knowing how best to respond or prevent a future similar crisis.
If anything it makes you the worst possible person to ask, because you're traumatized by what you just saw and unlikely to be thinking in a long-term or process oriented way. (Just like Americans on September 12th, 2001 were not the right people to go to if you want to find out whether it's wise to start wars.)
The media would actually like you to believe that traumatized teenagers should be a source of guidance for the POTUS. Chew on that for a moment.
The best thing for these kids right now is to get whatever counseling and comforts they need and hopefully readjust. They don't need to be in the national spotlight arguing about legislature. These media outlets should feel gross about pawning them in this way.
Indeed, at a rally organized by student activists from Parkland, high school senior Emma Gonzalez told the crowd: “We need to pay attention to the fact that this isn’t just a mental health issue. He wouldn’t have been able to kill that many people with a knife.”
Ya, but the thing about insane criminals who want to kill people is they don't say "well you know, it's against the law for me to have this, so I won't".
If it were that easy then the law against murder would already be enough.
Drugs should perfectly illustrate that passing a law against something doesn't cause it to not be around anymore. You just shift the distribution into a black market (and now buying them is easier for minors and angry drunks and all the worst categories of people).
She also called out the president, highlighting the significant donations he received from the NRA in advertising sponsorship during the 2016 election campaign, stating: “If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a 'terrible tragedy,' I'm going to happily ask him how much money he received from the NRA.”
And of course this doesn't mean what the traumatized teenager thinks it means.
Gun freedom would likely have saved lives if it were allowed to occur. (If the school wasn't by law forced to be unarmed.)
Whether Mrs. Killingberry would be lowkey packing in your 5th grade social studies class, or how exactly schools would defend themselves, is immaterial -- what's important is they're allowed to and that there's no longer this known honeypot where lunatics are guaranteed to be able to execute a mass murder plot.
From there it's far less likely to even be a thought that the lunatics have in the first place.
People lobby the government in this way because they don't want everywhere to turn into the same deathtrap scenario.
The great Stefan Molyneux hits it right on the head:
You can't "ban" people from having a particular item in their possession without being the one who's initiating violence. And then you've become the thing that you claim to be opposed to.
Which isn't a trick people tell you because they like guns. It's just how things actually are. And you should take it as indication that you're on the wrong track.
To whatever extent school shootings are a concern, the first/best thing you could do is put your gun down and allow schools and individuals within a school to defend themselves.
The president is expected to meet with some of the Parkland students on Thursday for a “listening session” although it is not yet clear which students will be invited to voice their opinions to Trump.
Wait.. you mean, he's "asking them what he should do", right? 😂😂😂
Never really understood this, before. But you're defintely right. Stricter gun control would mean only the worst people get the guns. Yet something really must be done. Maybe instead of shouting the same impractical solution all the time, more attempts should be made to solve whatever problem is driving people to lunacy, whatever demon possesses them to just decide to end countless of life like it's nothing.
Haha. Your sarcasm is always on point.
Haha, thanks man.
Ya, I think often there's a tendency to think people are just making excuses when they say this. If you don't support drug restriction, it's because you like drugs. If you don't support gun restriction, it's because you like guns. But it's really just true that the "ban" doesn't cause what its advocates want it to cause.
Everyone agrees that a world with 0 guns would be better. But how you cause that to happen is a different question.
For sure! Holistic solutions ftw.
A common theme in these shootings seems to be that the killer is on some sort of psychoactive drug. Obviously I'm not a professional or anything, but as a human who is alive, I feel entitled to perhaps be correct about this:
When people have mental health issues they need to be talked with and loved. Guided, encouraged. It may be hard work. Not handed a pill that you expect will magically make them better.
One day we'll look back at these quacks as exactly what they are.
(Consider that big pharma, besides being in bed with big govt, is a paying advertiser on the news channels. So I actually don't even think "banning guns" is like realistically anyone's goal or agenda or actually would ever happen, as much as it's a misdirection from what the real source of the outrage should be.)
Haha, exactly. It's happened, already. Guns exist. But how can we make sure these people are not pushed to such expedients.
Exactly. Definitely! But like you said, it's easy to just shove them a pill, instead of creating a system--or improving the existing one--so as to accommodate, and help, and encourage and guide these people.
But like you said, the big guns--pun intended--wouldn't let this happen. Who'd buy the drugs!? So let's direct their attentions to banning guns every time, instead of facing the real problems holistically.
Yup! Class misdirection. People vaguely sense that something is wrong, and so there needs to be a scapegoat problem to discourage people from looking for the real problem.
Pill Pushing + Gun Free Zones = disaster waiting to happen.
Stop those things and fix it from within.
I'll add one more thing. If people want to stop the pill pushing and stop the gun free zones AND want to "ban guns"
well..
they're still wrong that banning guns will accomplish what they think it will accomplish, but in this case they're at least potentially genuine
if they think schools should remain defenseless and don't care about these psychiatric practices, then they DO NOT care about protecting kids and are just playing politics or reacting emotionally
The fake news is so pathetic. The best part about Trump is that he's forced these monsters to show themselves for what they really are. What we do next is hard to really say, but that's another topic.
Law enforcement agencies were told over 50 times that this kid is dangerous but nothing was ever done to confiscate his weapons.
But back the fake news. Watch them coach this student/crisis actor, and feed him what to day.
lolllll
of course the fakenews side would say it's just helping a student get thru it or whatever.. but lol.. why teh f*#k would you want these students to do anything besides share their genuine experience?
If it's supposed to mean something because this is their experience, then don't coach them and polish it like it's a movie scene.
So even if they want to say "lol crisis actor, tin foil hat" or whatever, best case for fakenews is they're using these kids and being manipulative (which is sick)
But ya, he definitely comes across as not genuine and an actor to me. Like I'd imagine he probably actually went to the school (I guess?) or it'd be too hard to cover that up. I don't know how the Xs and Os work. But that is not a teenager genuinely sharing his experience.
I saw a headline the other day that Trump Jr liked a tweet "attacking" this kid, when really it was a standard, actually kind of mild criticism.
It's really twisted that they want to throw these kids into the mix, but then disagreeing with them is necessarily wrong or "an attack"
don't use them as a political football if you're not allowed to disagree
soooo manipulative
Lollll, removed from YouTube
I agree with you. Just ask yourself a question. Why there is no shooting in the police stations. The answer is easy, because everyone has gun in there. Taking guns from the streets doesn’t solve the situation, it only makes it worse.
Regarding Trump, I have no idea what to think of this guy anymore, I just hope he knows what he is doing.
Great post, very interesting!
Thanks!
Ya, hard to know what is in Trump's heart and all that. I don't think you get to the point of being the POTUS without having a few screws loose :p But there seems such an odd effort to portray him negatively at every possible turn. Enemy of the enemy is my friend sort of thing? hehe
The answer to preventing mass killings or any killing with gun is not more gun control. If you are a criminal, you are going to break the law, and clearly, if you’re willing to murder, you’re willing to break the law about gun ownership. So clearly, someone who is willing to commit that kind of murder is willing to break the gun laws.
haha yup!
I really don't get how people don't understand this lol
Part of me thinks they actually aren't concerned about being reasonable. Like if you're mad about something and punch the wall -- you know you don't have a reason, you just kind of did it. So it's like a reaction, they want to be mad and do this, but not because they actually think it makes sense or that it's accomplishing something.
(Just a thought.)
Note how these are all based on more anonymous sources, utter bullshit.
Hehe ya. I wouldn't be surprised if it was vaguely true, like that he fielded input from people. And then they take a totally normal thing that all Presidents would do and try to word it in a way that makes it seem notable or like Trump is doing something weird.
Exactly, they use all these descriptive verbs that are utter bullshit. If Trump makes a comment then it is "Trump attacks" or "Trump slams"
Maybe the kids will wake us up. Having a shootout at the school sounds like a grand idea. (sarcasm intended)
do you prefer to have no one shooting back? When no one shoots back then it is called a massacre.
Haha yup! I actually didn't understand what @authorfriendly meant and just ignored it. Now I see.
Ya, I don't get the thinking.. "oh no, they can defend themselves"
And of course, it's much less likely for the shooting to ever start when criminals know that the school isn't forced to be defenseless.
Right now, you often will end up with "a shootout at the school" anyways, it just happens after dozens have been killed when the cops show up.
yup, 10 minutes later when a good guy with a gun shows up. According to the FBI though over 3% of active shooting incidents were stopped by armed citizens, which does not sound like much unless you consider that probably fewer than 1% of people carry on a regular basis and that they are barred from doing so in the places where most of these incidents occur, gun free zones. It makes the solution obvious, get rid of gun free zones and encourage more people to carry everywhere they go.
Right, most shootings just happen suddenly and won't be stopped by anyone including law enforcement, that's just the nature of it, that they're over quick. And the mass murder situations that could be stopped, like you said, will be done at gun free zones where people necessarily aren't carrying.
but at the end of the day of course you want people in your school to be armed if there's a shooter on the loose
I don't really even see the downside or the argument against it lol. "These school shootings are out of control, think about the kids // yes, the school should be forced by law to not arm itself"
I guess if they conceded this then they're conceding that disarming people isn't the way to make us safe.
Nutcases causing kids to die over their warped political views.
while the drug companies whose products cause a lot of these shootings, who sponsor the news and politicians, get no bad press, as usual.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html
Cops stays outside during shooting while kids die.
Good thing we didn't have "a shootout in the school", right??? ::rolls eyes::
In reality the arms problem is getting out of control, if there is such a great facility to get these armaments of war together that is a nation with the highest drug use is a very bad combination. Unfortunately the arms business generates a lot of money do not think they do much about it more than deliver flowers to the family of the deceased. Very good article thanks for sharing.
nice project for common people .
who u calling common? 😠
haha. You saying we live in the projects?
😶😮 hehe
Good observation by both authors.
thanks!
Donald Trump has traumatized America dude
Seems that way! Not sure why tho. People are easily triggered these days lol