Not sure what "truth" you're referring to lol,
I can appreciate you're trying to be neutral if it's for journalistic integrity or something, but I don't need to go to one of his rallies to know what his policies are, and what he's done to USA in these 2 years, and what will probably happen in the remaining 2 years if he's free to do as he wants.
You're trying to not be political? Ok, fine, but I guess a lot of people said that in Germany 1937 as well.
Otherwise, good writing, interesting to get a better look inside one of these things.
The truth I was referring to was simply the inside look at the rally. I hear so much conflicting information about how violent the protesters are and how peaceful the attendees are. I hear that the crowd is full of hate or that the protesters are lining the streets with vulgarity. I've heard that people camp out in droves in order to get in. I've heard that people are turned away by the thousands outside because there simply isn't enough room for all the folks who want to attend. During the speech itself on Monday, Trump implied that there were "thousands of people outside," who had been unable to get in, yet the 'truth' was that there were fewer than 100 milling about.
I don't trust the media to accurately report what happens there. They are going to go with whichever story will get the biggest headlines and most reaction from their audience.
I don't trust the government (Trump included) to accurately report what happens either. They are going to say whatever makes them look the best in the eyes of their base, regardless of reality.
So I went to see it for myself. I certainly expected the 'truth' to include more than one token protester. :-)
Thanks for reading. I appreciate thoughtful comments like yours.
I appreciate getting a view from an uninvolved spectator, myself. Thank you for sharing. I realize that there is always so much hype about each thing, but I never know where the truth lies. I've heard very similar stories such as yours from friends who have done this same thing for the same reason across the country. It seems the "hype" and the angry mobs and all that are blown out of proportion by the media more than anything else. Not at all surprising, but there you have it.
There is a huge range in the media, varying from largely factual to extremely biased. That's outside of the opinion pieces that are clearly marked as such in more reputable sources. The Media Bias Chart is one source of ratings, but there are others to cross check that against. I get most of my news from the least biased sources. I avoid right and left leaning sources unless I want to see the spin they are putting on stories so that I can better understand how people who in those camps think. We really need visible rating systems of sources and articles; otherwise, we are doomed as a democracy. We also need more Americans to actually spend time researching current issues from neutral sources.
I try to consume unbiased news as much as possible. I'm fortunate that I am well-versed in how to spot bias. I also try to keep up with the more biased sources. It's good to be able to see an issue from different perspectives. I often find myself amazed and wondering if people really believe some of the things they say.
A visible rating system may be helpful, but I think education on how to recognize bias would be more helpful. Otherwise, we'll still just end up taking someone's word for it regarding the degree of bias in reporting. And yes, if we could get folks to actually do research before forming and spouting an opinion that would be great!
Thanks for sharing! I wasn't a fan of either party, so cast my vote for a 3rd party candidate. I understand that many people see that as 'throwing my vote away,' but I just can't bring myself to lend my voice in support for a candidate that I don't believe is a good choice - even if that person is a better choice than the other.
Would you mind explaining, briefly, to a non-US citizen what the mid-terms are exactly, please? Can he get voted out at this juncture, or is this more of a checkup to see how the American public view him as President? I thought that he was 'locked in' for 4 years before he could be voted out.
Excellent questions! I'll do the best I can in explaining it, but I'm not great at political things, so I may get a couple things wrong. Steemit community, please chime in and correct me if I do.
To address the first point - no, the president cannot be voted out during a mid-term election. You are correct in that he is locked in for 4 years (barring impeachment or resignation).
The mid-term election happens midway through the presidential term and is a chance for citizens to vote for other representatives at the state and local level. For example, in Ohio we voted on a few Ohio Supreme Court Justices (judges), County Auditor (if you are in Cuyahoga County), and representatives to our House of Congress and Senate.
By having mid-term elections, we eliminate having ALL of our representatives change at the same time. It just staggers the process. It's also important for political power reasons. The 'party' (historically Republican or Democratic) with more people in it in the House or Senate respectively has more power in that institution.
So yesterday, the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate (I think.... I'm not well-versed in politics). After the mid-term election, it is predicted that the Republicans will still control Senate but that the Democrats will control the House. This would make our politics a little more balanced (in theory), but it also makes it much hard to get any new legislation passed.
Our government doesn't work very well with itself. For some reason they are always bickering over party lines.
Yes, it does. From what I understand from the reporting here in Australia, the Democrats took control of the house, but the Republicans gained a few more 'seats' in the Senate, or vice versa!! Either way, Trump seems happy about the outcome.
Your's isn't the only country that has political problems - hell, look at Aussie politics in the last ten years! We vote in one Prime Minister, and then they're ousted by their own party, and we get another that we didn't even vote in!! At least in the US, they'd be hung for treason for something like that!!
Oh boy, that sounds like a mess and a half over there. What did your PM do that he or she was ousted for?
In other news, US voters in Nevada elected a man who has been deceased for several weeks rather than vote for his Democratic rival. So now the Republican party in that state will pick someone to serve in his place.
It's no wonder so may people feel like their vote doesn't matter.
That's funny - as far as I'm aware, we've never voted in a dead person. although, some of our former leaders may as well have been dead for all they've done!!
Twice now, a PM has been ousted, and I think it's due to a loss of confidence by the other party members. I tend to believe that it's more because someone more ambitious has wanted the top job and has stabbed someone in the back. Although, the current PM got into power through one of these processes, and I actually quite respect his beliefs and leadership.
I know a few people who simply 'donkey vote' - not sure if that's a term in the US - basically, just throwing their vote be doing something stupid, or purposely voting wrong (for Jedi's or something similar!!), because they really think the process is a fraud.
Are you talking the Australian census? I remember it being on there at one point too, but I'm pretty sure it's since been removed. Quite a few people did put it as their religion.
@mattifer so interesting! I really enjoyed your recount of the rally - I think it's these kinds of things that don't get reported in the news.
I'm not living in the US but I heard that Trump's victory in the last Presidential elections is due to his ability to reach out to the commonfolk (average white person). The homogeneity you mentioned just made me think of that.
Thanks! I agree that what I saw is not getting any media attention. I wish that were otherwise. I miss the days when reporters simply stated what they heard and saw. I know there will always be bias, but our media has given up on even trying to pretend they are not biased.
And yes, I agree that a lot of 'commonfolk' like Trump. That was evident at the rally for sure! From the big trucks in the parking lot to the ball caps, jeans, and boots... It's interesting though, because I really didn't see any of the diversity that makes our country great. So I'm curious to see how the perspective of the conservative 'everyday Joe' will impact the policies of urban dwellers and those who are more willing to be different or were just "born this way" as Lady Gaga puts it. :-)
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Me too. Punctuality is important to me. And nope, not anything like what social media and mainstream media led me to believe. Also not anything like what Fox news and Trump led me to believe. ;-)
The media are definitely showing a version of reality that fits what they want us to see. As for the second question... that's hard to say. There's no denying some of the things he has said and done. I guess it's up to each person to decide how they prioritize traits in others. Some people think it's not a big deal that he mocks others; other folk think it's important to show respect to everyone you meet. He's definitely not a person that gets along with everyone.
You're welcome! Somebody had to do it. I figured it might as well be me.
Fun fact: while I had free tickets to the event, there was zero need for them. No one was asked to show tickets at the door. I thought it odd that tickets were available (and by implication required) for an event that didn't need them.
It sounded like an all-around eye opener. So much going on right now and we almost really need to see things with our own eyes - but then, even that might not be enough. Like cursing (maybe too strong of a word) the protesters that weren't there...
It was enlightening for sure. I am saddened by the fact that I can't trust the media around me to just give me unbiased news. Perhaps one day soon we will get back to that.
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Facinating stuff! Not really surprising that the crowds are low, or the make up of the audience. From what I have read elsewhere this is often the case. There does seem to be one black guy who always wears that sweatshirt and is always placed just behind Trump at his rallys. So I guess he is actually famous (kinda: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/06/remember-bizarre-blacks-trump-guy-well-hes-back/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b4c731582cb) Really love the way you described the whole thing, with humour but without taking the piss.
Yes!! That is the same black man that I saw there. Too funny! He looked rather homeless to me, and I guess I'm probably not far off base with that. One of the articles I just read about his says that he has filed for bankruptcy 6 times since 1995, with one of them being quite recent. That explains the bizarre behavior of the white couple and the black man! Thanks!
I've never had a desire to attend a political rally. I don't like rallies. And I rather like to be challenged in my thinking. I've found that if I surround myself with people who think like me, that doesn't happen. Bravo to you for being so brave. I hope you came out of it a better person and not some insecure small-penised white guy.
Rallies really aren't my thing either. I don't like to be surrounded by tons of people. Fortunately for me, Trump got this one wrong and attendance was paltry at best.
I'm 100% with you on surrounding myself with people who don't think like me. It's too easy to fall into the echo chamber of social media, so I make a point to read the articles and opinions that differ from those that I agree with. It helps me stay informed AND gives me a better idea of perspective. As it turns out, mine isn't the only one! Shocker! ;-)
I hate to disappoint, but I did not become an insecure small-penised white guy while at the rally either. That would have been quite the trick...and I don't think Trump or his fans are ok with the whole transgender thing, so I'm sure the experience would have been quite different.
Goodmorning @mattifer from My side of the world. For us its so strange to See these sort of things happen ! I dont know how it feels to be in a situation and living under Trump but you gave a pretty good impression of a rally I did not yet know before. Thanks
Hi! It's pretty strange from this side of the world too! It's rather mind-boggling that a person as unpolished as Trump could ever be elected to be the leader of well, anything, let alone an entire country.
I used to teach 9th grade. At first, it was a given that I could point to people in positions of leadership in our country and tell the students, "That's not an appropriate way to behave (or to speak to people, etc.), but with Trump in charge much of that went out the window. If our president can say vulgar things about women, or call people names, or mock disabled folks, then apparently it must be alright. It's a sad thing. I don't know that anyone would raise their children to act like him, yet somehow we (the system that elected him) are ok with him representing and leading our country.
Interesting
Things like that happen here too
The picture painted is nothing like the reality
Politics ... don’t really care for it either
Thank you for making that trip and sharing your day and pics with us 😊
It really makes me wonder what entity is pulling the strings and what purpose all the division and chicanery serves. Surely mistrust isn't good for our world?
I try to keep out of politics as much as I can so can't really comment on what happened before in previous events. Still, good to know how it works and seemed to be relatively uneventful for a figure that, in the UK, seems to be quite divisive. Thanks for sharing.
Cool how you took us there.
Those people with the sign talking about penis size are childlike. Sorry that there are people that act like that in public. All a part of the idiocracy.
I think that one of the most terrifying things about the lunatic left or right is that the people look just like you and me. And behave just like you and me. One of the things that astounds me - mostly about conservative right wingers - and regardless of the "new" South Africa, there are many of them around - is that they assume that because one looks like them, you share the same views. When you disabuse them, they disabuse you. The rise of the right is terrifying. And it's happening all over the world. Lessons have clearly not been learned from the war that was supposed to end all wars, I fear.
No, I'm asking what is it about Corbyn that people like so much? We had a small group here that liked Bernie, but I think it was mainly because he promised them free everything and the right to use cannabis.
Ok, got it. I was under the impression that he had not done good things for your country. Which policy or leader was it that diminished the retirement benefits which you were about to enjoy?
Thanks! I've seen too much through a filter lately, so I tried to avoid adding my own. It's probably impossible to completely avoid it, but every bit helps. :-)
howdy again mattifer! this was a great report. I thought all those dramatic things you mentioned about his rallys were only in the Primaries, I haven't heard of them since the election but good for you guys to check it out in person!
howdy again mattifer! well during the election the liberals kept sending in people to make a scene so they could hopefully get some idiot Trump fans to beat people up or make Trump look bad by calling them names or whatever because the Democrats used that to stir up their base. I was a good strategy.
But hey, they will probably do the same thing for the 2020 elections so there will most likely be wild rallys again! I don't know if that's good or bad but it's political theater and entertaining.
I didn't know you were doing so many posts these days, I'm sorry I probably missed a bunch but you're on my radar now!
I think the strategies on both sides were pretty effective...if the goal was to get noticed, they certainly did! And yes, I imagine 2020 will be more of the same. I'm ready to go back to sane and rational any day.
howdy today mattifer! well I think you may have a long wait if you're waiting for it to go back to sane and rational. I think Trump changed the paradigm and now people see that "outrageous" can be effective. I don't like it at all but I think it's the new normal for at least awhile.
It's just insanely immature and divisive. No reason for it.
Yeah... however, I like to think that people will get tired of it. Life should not look like reality TV. That's what I think of regularly when I see the news now. Hmmm.... this must be the new episode in "My American Life."
I wouldn't see Cleveland as a hot bed of tRump supporters from what I have read and know about that area. Glad that is wasn't a hectic day and big crowds to fight.
I'm actually rather surprised by how many people here support him. I think it's normal for people to believe that their friends share their political beliefs, at least until real conversation is had, and I was no exception. Going into the election, I assumed the people around me were equally appalled by the lack of good options in 2016, but it turns out I was wrong. Quite a few of the people near and dear to me were actually supporters, and not just in a "never Hillary" kind of way. As time passes, I find more and more folk who really are fans. Of course, I know plenty of people who find the man and his policies quite distasteful too. The RNC was held here, so I'm sure there is a stronger base than the urban setting would suggest.
And yes, I am also glad it was mellow and uncrowded.
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Not sure what "truth" you're referring to lol,
I can appreciate you're trying to be neutral if it's for journalistic integrity or something, but I don't need to go to one of his rallies to know what his policies are, and what he's done to USA in these 2 years, and what will probably happen in the remaining 2 years if he's free to do as he wants.
You're trying to not be political? Ok, fine, but I guess a lot of people said that in Germany 1937 as well.
Otherwise, good writing, interesting to get a better look inside one of these things.
The truth I was referring to was simply the inside look at the rally. I hear so much conflicting information about how violent the protesters are and how peaceful the attendees are. I hear that the crowd is full of hate or that the protesters are lining the streets with vulgarity. I've heard that people camp out in droves in order to get in. I've heard that people are turned away by the thousands outside because there simply isn't enough room for all the folks who want to attend. During the speech itself on Monday, Trump implied that there were "thousands of people outside," who had been unable to get in, yet the 'truth' was that there were fewer than 100 milling about.
I don't trust the media to accurately report what happens there. They are going to go with whichever story will get the biggest headlines and most reaction from their audience.
I don't trust the government (Trump included) to accurately report what happens either. They are going to say whatever makes them look the best in the eyes of their base, regardless of reality.
So I went to see it for myself. I certainly expected the 'truth' to include more than one token protester. :-)
Thanks for reading. I appreciate thoughtful comments like yours.
I appreciate getting a view from an uninvolved spectator, myself. Thank you for sharing. I realize that there is always so much hype about each thing, but I never know where the truth lies. I've heard very similar stories such as yours from friends who have done this same thing for the same reason across the country. It seems the "hype" and the angry mobs and all that are blown out of proportion by the media more than anything else. Not at all surprising, but there you have it.
I'm just glad there are platforms (like this one) that allow us to share the real stories of what's going on. Some countries are not as fortunate.
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more.
There is a huge range in the media, varying from largely factual to extremely biased. That's outside of the opinion pieces that are clearly marked as such in more reputable sources. The Media Bias Chart is one source of ratings, but there are others to cross check that against. I get most of my news from the least biased sources. I avoid right and left leaning sources unless I want to see the spin they are putting on stories so that I can better understand how people who in those camps think. We really need visible rating systems of sources and articles; otherwise, we are doomed as a democracy. We also need more Americans to actually spend time researching current issues from neutral sources.
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I try to consume unbiased news as much as possible. I'm fortunate that I am well-versed in how to spot bias. I also try to keep up with the more biased sources. It's good to be able to see an issue from different perspectives. I often find myself amazed and wondering if people really believe some of the things they say.
A visible rating system may be helpful, but I think education on how to recognize bias would be more helpful. Otherwise, we'll still just end up taking someone's word for it regarding the degree of bias in reporting. And yes, if we could get folks to actually do research before forming and spouting an opinion that would be great!
Wow hahaha sharing this to my sis. She watches youtube stuff on rallys and stuff.
Personally I'd rather trump than Hillary 😒
Thanks for sharing! I wasn't a fan of either party, so cast my vote for a 3rd party candidate. I understand that many people see that as 'throwing my vote away,' but I just can't bring myself to lend my voice in support for a candidate that I don't believe is a good choice - even if that person is a better choice than the other.
Thanks for reading, commenting, and sharing!
Would you mind explaining, briefly, to a non-US citizen what the mid-terms are exactly, please? Can he get voted out at this juncture, or is this more of a checkup to see how the American public view him as President? I thought that he was 'locked in' for 4 years before he could be voted out.
Excellent questions! I'll do the best I can in explaining it, but I'm not great at political things, so I may get a couple things wrong. Steemit community, please chime in and correct me if I do.
To address the first point - no, the president cannot be voted out during a mid-term election. You are correct in that he is locked in for 4 years (barring impeachment or resignation).
The mid-term election happens midway through the presidential term and is a chance for citizens to vote for other representatives at the state and local level. For example, in Ohio we voted on a few Ohio Supreme Court Justices (judges), County Auditor (if you are in Cuyahoga County), and representatives to our House of Congress and Senate.
By having mid-term elections, we eliminate having ALL of our representatives change at the same time. It just staggers the process. It's also important for political power reasons. The 'party' (historically Republican or Democratic) with more people in it in the House or Senate respectively has more power in that institution.
So yesterday, the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate (I think.... I'm not well-versed in politics). After the mid-term election, it is predicted that the Republicans will still control Senate but that the Democrats will control the House. This would make our politics a little more balanced (in theory), but it also makes it much hard to get any new legislation passed.
Our government doesn't work very well with itself. For some reason they are always bickering over party lines.
Was that helpful at all?
Yes, it does. From what I understand from the reporting here in Australia, the Democrats took control of the house, but the Republicans gained a few more 'seats' in the Senate, or vice versa!! Either way, Trump seems happy about the outcome.
Your's isn't the only country that has political problems - hell, look at Aussie politics in the last ten years! We vote in one Prime Minister, and then they're ousted by their own party, and we get another that we didn't even vote in!! At least in the US, they'd be hung for treason for something like that!!
Oh boy, that sounds like a mess and a half over there. What did your PM do that he or she was ousted for?
In other news, US voters in Nevada elected a man who has been deceased for several weeks rather than vote for his Democratic rival. So now the Republican party in that state will pick someone to serve in his place.
It's no wonder so may people feel like their vote doesn't matter.
That's funny - as far as I'm aware, we've never voted in a dead person. although, some of our former leaders may as well have been dead for all they've done!!
Twice now, a PM has been ousted, and I think it's due to a loss of confidence by the other party members. I tend to believe that it's more because someone more ambitious has wanted the top job and has stabbed someone in the back. Although, the current PM got into power through one of these processes, and I actually quite respect his beliefs and leadership.
I know a few people who simply 'donkey vote' - not sure if that's a term in the US - basically, just throwing their vote be doing something stupid, or purposely voting wrong (for Jedi's or something similar!!), because they really think the process is a fraud.
The Jedi religion was an option people wrote down on our census in 2001. I have no idea why, but I did find it hilarious.
Are you talking the Australian census? I remember it being on there at one point too, but I'm pretty sure it's since been removed. Quite a few people did put it as their religion.
@mattifer so interesting! I really enjoyed your recount of the rally - I think it's these kinds of things that don't get reported in the news.
I'm not living in the US but I heard that Trump's victory in the last Presidential elections is due to his ability to reach out to the commonfolk (average white person). The homogeneity you mentioned just made me think of that.
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Thanks! I agree that what I saw is not getting any media attention. I wish that were otherwise. I miss the days when reporters simply stated what they heard and saw. I know there will always be bias, but our media has given up on even trying to pretend they are not biased.
And yes, I agree that a lot of 'commonfolk' like Trump. That was evident at the rally for sure! From the big trucks in the parking lot to the ball caps, jeans, and boots... It's interesting though, because I really didn't see any of the diversity that makes our country great. So I'm curious to see how the perspective of the conservative 'everyday Joe' will impact the policies of urban dwellers and those who are more willing to be different or were just "born this way" as Lady Gaga puts it. :-)
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I actually respect Trump more for being punctual. 🤣. So the rallys aren't rough , homophopic white supremacists? Really interesting read
Me too. Punctuality is important to me. And nope, not anything like what social media and mainstream media led me to believe. Also not anything like what Fox news and Trump led me to believe. ;-)
So will I go far and say that the media are gone a bit too far ?? Is he as bad as they say?
The media are definitely showing a version of reality that fits what they want us to see. As for the second question... that's hard to say. There's no denying some of the things he has said and done. I guess it's up to each person to decide how they prioritize traits in others. Some people think it's not a big deal that he mocks others; other folk think it's important to show respect to everyone you meet. He's definitely not a person that gets along with everyone.
Thank you for taking one for the team and bringing us this report :)
You're welcome! Somebody had to do it. I figured it might as well be me.
Fun fact: while I had free tickets to the event, there was zero need for them. No one was asked to show tickets at the door. I thought it odd that tickets were available (and by implication required) for an event that didn't need them.
It sounded like an all-around eye opener. So much going on right now and we almost really need to see things with our own eyes - but then, even that might not be enough. Like cursing (maybe too strong of a word) the protesters that weren't there...
It was enlightening for sure. I am saddened by the fact that I can't trust the media around me to just give me unbiased news. Perhaps one day soon we will get back to that.
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Facinating stuff! Not really surprising that the crowds are low, or the make up of the audience. From what I have read elsewhere this is often the case. There does seem to be one black guy who always wears that sweatshirt and is always placed just behind Trump at his rallys. So I guess he is actually famous (kinda: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/06/remember-bizarre-blacks-trump-guy-well-hes-back/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3b4c731582cb) Really love the way you described the whole thing, with humour but without taking the piss.
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Yes!! That is the same black man that I saw there. Too funny! He looked rather homeless to me, and I guess I'm probably not far off base with that. One of the articles I just read about his says that he has filed for bankruptcy 6 times since 1995, with one of them being quite recent. That explains the bizarre behavior of the white couple and the black man! Thanks!
White people are really quite staid.
I've never had a desire to attend a political rally. I don't like rallies. And I rather like to be challenged in my thinking. I've found that if I surround myself with people who think like me, that doesn't happen. Bravo to you for being so brave. I hope you came out of it a better person and not some insecure small-penised white guy.
Rallies really aren't my thing either. I don't like to be surrounded by tons of people. Fortunately for me, Trump got this one wrong and attendance was paltry at best.
I'm 100% with you on surrounding myself with people who don't think like me. It's too easy to fall into the echo chamber of social media, so I make a point to read the articles and opinions that differ from those that I agree with. It helps me stay informed AND gives me a better idea of perspective. As it turns out, mine isn't the only one! Shocker! ;-)
I hate to disappoint, but I did not become an insecure small-penised white guy while at the rally either. That would have been quite the trick...and I don't think Trump or his fans are ok with the whole transgender thing, so I'm sure the experience would have been quite different.
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Goodmorning @mattifer from My side of the world. For us its so strange to See these sort of things happen ! I dont know how it feels to be in a situation and living under Trump but you gave a pretty good impression of a rally I did not yet know before. Thanks
Hi! It's pretty strange from this side of the world too! It's rather mind-boggling that a person as unpolished as Trump could ever be elected to be the leader of well, anything, let alone an entire country.
I used to teach 9th grade. At first, it was a given that I could point to people in positions of leadership in our country and tell the students, "That's not an appropriate way to behave (or to speak to people, etc.), but with Trump in charge much of that went out the window. If our president can say vulgar things about women, or call people names, or mock disabled folks, then apparently it must be alright. It's a sad thing. I don't know that anyone would raise their children to act like him, yet somehow we (the system that elected him) are ok with him representing and leading our country.
Strange days indeed.
Interesting
Things like that happen here too
The picture painted is nothing like the reality
Politics ... don’t really care for it either
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It really makes me wonder what entity is pulling the strings and what purpose all the division and chicanery serves. Surely mistrust isn't good for our world?
I try to keep out of politics as much as I can so can't really comment on what happened before in previous events. Still, good to know how it works and seemed to be relatively uneventful for a figure that, in the UK, seems to be quite divisive. Thanks for sharing.
I'm with you on that one. Staying out of politics is good for the soul. :-D
And yes, it was much more uneventful than I had anticipated. That's a good thing. It makes me feel a little better about things over here.
Cool how you took us there.
Those people with the sign talking about penis size are childlike. Sorry that there are people that act like that in public. All a part of the idiocracy.
I am glad it was lol. #steemitbloggers
Thanks for checking it out. Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? At times I feel that is where we are heading. But I too am glad it was uneventful. :-D
I think that one of the most terrifying things about the lunatic left or right is that the people look just like you and me. And behave just like you and me. One of the things that astounds me - mostly about conservative right wingers - and regardless of the "new" South Africa, there are many of them around - is that they assume that because one looks like them, you share the same views. When you disabuse them, they disabuse you. The rise of the right is terrifying. And it's happening all over the world. Lessons have clearly not been learned from the war that was supposed to end all wars, I fear.
Here in the UK it is Corbyn that the people rally behind but I've not been to one of his events yet; I hear they go quite wild when he comes on
From other things I've read by you, it doesn't sound like he has been that great for your country. What is his platform that people love so much?
No, Trump isn't like much here. Corbyn, wherever he goes people love him; he's similar to Bernie Sanders....
No, I'm asking what is it about Corbyn that people like so much? We had a small group here that liked Bernie, but I think it was mainly because he promised them free everything and the right to use cannabis.
In brief, he is against the establishment, and he is for a fairer society
Ok, got it. I was under the impression that he had not done good things for your country. Which policy or leader was it that diminished the retirement benefits which you were about to enjoy?
Really fascinating first hand account. Great journalism, appreciate the unfiltered look!
Thanks! I've seen too much through a filter lately, so I tried to avoid adding my own. It's probably impossible to completely avoid it, but every bit helps. :-)
howdy again mattifer! this was a great report. I thought all those dramatic things you mentioned about his rallys were only in the Primaries, I haven't heard of them since the election but good for you guys to check it out in person!
Oooooh, so maybe I just missed the really exciting rallies. That's certainly possible. Most lies have a kernel of truth after all.
howdy again mattifer! well during the election the liberals kept sending in people to make a scene so they could hopefully get some idiot Trump fans to beat people up or make Trump look bad by calling them names or whatever because the Democrats used that to stir up their base. I was a good strategy.
But hey, they will probably do the same thing for the 2020 elections so there will most likely be wild rallys again! I don't know if that's good or bad but it's political theater and entertaining.
I didn't know you were doing so many posts these days, I'm sorry I probably missed a bunch but you're on my radar now!
I think the strategies on both sides were pretty effective...if the goal was to get noticed, they certainly did! And yes, I imagine 2020 will be more of the same. I'm ready to go back to sane and rational any day.
howdy today mattifer! well I think you may have a long wait if you're waiting for it to go back to sane and rational. I think Trump changed the paradigm and now people see that "outrageous" can be effective. I don't like it at all but I think it's the new normal for at least awhile.
It's just insanely immature and divisive. No reason for it.
Yeah... however, I like to think that people will get tired of it. Life should not look like reality TV. That's what I think of regularly when I see the news now. Hmmm.... this must be the new episode in "My American Life."
haha! yes Ma'am well I think 50% of the country at least, is sick of it, I think that's what the mid terms proved.
I wouldn't see Cleveland as a hot bed of tRump supporters from what I have read and know about that area. Glad that is wasn't a hectic day and big crowds to fight.
I'm actually rather surprised by how many people here support him. I think it's normal for people to believe that their friends share their political beliefs, at least until real conversation is had, and I was no exception. Going into the election, I assumed the people around me were equally appalled by the lack of good options in 2016, but it turns out I was wrong. Quite a few of the people near and dear to me were actually supporters, and not just in a "never Hillary" kind of way. As time passes, I find more and more folk who really are fans. Of course, I know plenty of people who find the man and his policies quite distasteful too. The RNC was held here, so I'm sure there is a stronger base than the urban setting would suggest.
And yes, I am also glad it was mellow and uncrowded.