Everything you show me shows a round earth with a flat line that only intersects in one spot. Your idea that at no time will you aver see the curve seems wrong when it drops off so dramatically based of the formula of a circle which is used both by you and by the other side as proof.
You will never be able to convince anyone of your idea if you keep falling back on complicated math than no one understands. This is why I am asking for visual proof which you do not have. Your diagrams prove the opposite just by looking at them and I have no way to check your numbers.
I'm showing you hundreds of square miles of apparently flat land that a person can stand on and see flatness for miles in all directions. When does this ball ever appear? Or does it never appear?
How would Denver even be able to be measured against sea level if sea level is 1000 miles away at the Gulf of Mexico? Or are you saying there is still no curve over such a distance?
You should look at the other side's arguments because you are saying exactly the same thing they are and showing the same diagrams, but they think these diagrams show the flatness. And you have no evidence of the curve beyond math, unless I am still missing something.
'I'm showing you hundreds of square miles of apparently flat land that a person can stand on and see flatness for miles in all directions. When does this ball ever appear? Or does it never appear?"
Again, you are not understanding how large the earth is, and how small you are in relation to it's size/surface.
Just because you don't see curve when standing on flat ground doesn't mean that there isn't curve.
I get that you WANT to see curve when standing on a big flat area....but not seeing the curve you want to see doesn't mean that there isn't curve.
Yes it curves away dramatically, but not at the scale you're thinking it should. The earth is REALLY big.
"And you have no evidence of the curve beyond math, unless I am still missing something."
You're missing it all, it seems.
See my other reply, and actually read my previous articles. I HAVE supplied these.
"You will never be able to convince anyone of your idea if you keep falling back on complicated math than no one understands. "
LOL. You OBVIOUSLY have not read my articles. Standing on a ladder to see further, or putting a solar filter on a camera, or spinning around in a boat is 'complicated math no one understands'?
All you need to do is to understand that you do NOT get these long distance shots from a low elevation. Why? Why do the photographers of these long distance shots have to go to almost 10,000 feet to get these shots? Because the earth is curved. If you cannot understand that simple fact, well, that's not a 'complicated math' problem.
Please see the response I made to you on the other thread. Instead of responding on two threads with essentially the same issue, please just respond on one of them.