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RE: My First Politically Incorrect Thought

in #society7 years ago (edited)

thx for the comment. I always considered myself a pro-immigration person. I find it just too exciting as that I could be against it. Most of the girlfriends I ever had were from other countries and I actually tested myself through all continents and the respective cuisines. That's some sort of accomplishment. Vietnam beats them all! ;-)

I guess, we have to draw a distinction between creative immigration and destructive immigration. The first kind are people with plans, dreams and a lot of will to make it and integrate and become part of the society while the latter is the one where people try to exploit the new place by convenience without ever becoming a part of it (or seeing themselves as part of it).

In Germany - the pre-Merkel border opening Germany - it worked surprisingly well with almost all nationalities and ethnicities. The big exception are people with a Muslim background. Around 1/3 of all Turks and 2/3 of Arabs/Maghrebinians don't integrate and they also actively try to stay apart. The exception when it comes to Muslims are exile Persians, Tartars and people from France Afrique. They usually are not different from the big rest statistically or in their broad social behavior.

Bottom line: What I would add to the big entrance is an equally big exit and consistently throw out everyone who can't behave. Every country needs that. With that, things would soon be sorted out everywhere.

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I agree with you, but the problem is in defining "can't behave". You can behave in an extremely annoying way for everybody around you without committing any crime.

The thing is - you can't make honking less loud without making loud honking illegal.

And with the billion annoying examples such as permanent honking in the traffic, yelling around the markets, backward social attitudes, low personal hygiene, and similar staff often (but not always) found in certain groups, you realize that you can't really make regulations on all that, and even if you did, the police officers would simply lack the time to control and sanction all of those widely spread minor "offenses".

Which leads us (or at least me) to a conclusion that immigration should be very selective in the first place, as it's almost impossible to throw out the annoying but not quite criminal people later.

Great points. I think that the reasons behind the bottom line problems you described are:

  • The politicians don't care much about doing anything that is long-term (and social cohesion is something that requires a lot of time to create notable positive effects) as they are judged and (re)elected in short-term cycles.
  • The people who have the money or public influence don't care about this much, as "it's not their problem" and they will get no money back from getting involved in it.

OK, this makes me feel depressed and helpless. :D