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RE: My 2017 Space Highlights

in #space7 years ago

I'm talking about nasa because they are the organization that came up with this silly idea to trick people into believing in these fairy tales you've posted about, also because you credit their organization or subsidiaries in each of your 'images'.
Thinking that students at tech universities and independent institutions launch their own satellites is a simple belief. There is no evidence for this anywhere, just hearsay. Plus it has been proven to be impossible and faked many times already. Time to wake up and realize you've been duped.

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That is just factually incorrect. Whether or not they were right, people believed that the Earth was round and that space existed long before NASA was created. People have sailed around the world, we have been able to make accurate predictions in physics without error based on models that assume the Earth to be round, again long before NASA.

You're saying that I am "being duped". You realize that I work at the European Space Agency and are using satellite data every day? It works, and that is evidence enough.

Have You Spent Any Time Looking into the Other Side of this Century-old Argument? There are sound Arguements to be made in defense of Flat Earth. The Suez Canal and the Lack of Planning for curvature is one such case

Yes I have. Because I am curious about how in 2018, people can still believe that the earth is flat. As someone who cares a lot about education and how we can equip people with the critical thinking and scientific literacy to be able to answer questions for themselves and not rely on just being told what is true and what is false.

I looked into the Suez Canal and you are absolutely right. It would have needed special planning if there existed significant curvature from the starting point in the north, down to the exit at the bottom. So that does suggest that there is no significant curvature there.

But is that necessarily an argument for a flat earth or against a round earth?

No.

Why? Because the Earth can also be round, but uneven. Here's the best model we have at the moment of the Earth based on the results provided from the GOCE satellite which measures gravity around the Earth. (The thinker the Earth is at a point, the stronger the gravity, so thus we can measure the shape)

And lo and behold: If you pause the video at 00:03 you can see that in the Northern part of Africa, the land is indeed "flat" within that limited plane.

Now I know this will not convince you that the Earth is round. But I hope it has at the very least demonstrated to you that examples such as these are not arguments against the earth being round or indeed in favor of the whole Earth being flat.

Can you offer evidence to these claims of it being proven impossible?

Humans have been researching it for 2000 years before NASA. No educated person since the 4th century has believed it's flat based on simple observations anyone can do, such as simple horizon drop. They even have cell phone apps for horizon drop.

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If you are worried that nasa has infiltrated the photographers's apps, you can make a homemade water level and get the same results.

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This is when people think we only know the earth is round because of nasa. We have literally known this for close to 2000 years before NASA existed, and 500 years before either the masons or the Jesuits existed based on simple observations.

LOL. You don't see the very evident horizon drop? Perhaps you need glasses and that is why you think the earth is flat. That IS the curvature of the earth as it drops away from you as you go up in altitude. It's a 'mantra' of Dubay's that the horizon always rises to eye level because it must on a flat earth. But it doesn't. It DROPS, just like in the photo, because of this. And to be a flat earther, you have to ignore these observations that are impossible on a flat earth!

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Not sure why, but Steemit cuts off that image, You'll have to go full screen to see it.

And AGAIN, even if everything NASA said was a lie, it simply means NASA lies. How you can determine it's flat simply because you think NASA lies is beyond me when there are literally thousands of simple observations, like horizon drop and increased distance to the horizon (same thing, just expressed in different ways), that prove it's a sphere. No NASA or government needed.

In fact, probably 10% of the people I know who are trying to educate flat earthers also believe NASA lies. They are two completely different topics!

PS. I'm an anarchist. I think NASA should be abolished. But ANYONE can see the earth is round through simple observations we've been making for over 2000 years. Like horizon drop.

If you are TRULY a 'truth seeker' you will distinguish between different conspiracies instead of conflating them all. We need ZERO evidence from NASA, from Masons or Jesuits, or government to be 100% certain the earth is round.... like due to horizon drop, as one of THOUSANDS of simple observations.

I highly suggest you join a local astronomy club and learn to look at the night sky. It's impossible to understand the night sky, particularly the two hemispheres, and still believe the earth is flat.

There are zero amateur astronomers who think the earth is flat because it's patently obvious to them that it's not.

Please please please join an amateur astronomy club and see for yourself.

PPS. I also want to mention that Fredrikaa's reward pool was around $500 when you started this flagging war. It's now up to almost $650. Your war simply gets the intelligent people to back him, and is INCREASING his rewards pool, while they are flagging your posts and removing your rewards.

It is having the opposite effect you intend. I personally know that tons and tons of people have picked up astronomy since the flat earth movement has picked up. So, you are educating people about the world, and more people are going out and seeing the world with their own eyes and learning it's round for themselves. So, thanks for getting more people interested in space and earth science.