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RE: Splinterlands to utilize Chaos Legion packs for deck creation on the NFTy Arcade platform

in #splinterlands2 years ago

okay I think we go too far away from the main point, so maybe just answer my question:

Why should a new customer start a game where he know that from 510 existing cards 75 cards are unavailable for him but available for old players ?

I mean maybe somebody who have ambitions, want invest a lot of money and try to compete with the top-players for the leaderboard, before the lunch of this new reward cards it was possible he could buy or rent every card he want and play with full deck, now he can't.

So why he should under this circumstances play splinterlands and not just choice another game where new players has no disadvantages at the start (if they are ready to spent or invest money) ?

I mean it is not so that I am strong against soulbounded cards, it is okay in brawls and I could imagine to add a separate league where you can use this soulbounded cards BUT: It is not in this way, you can use this soulbounded cards in every ranked battle and in the most tournaments (at least when the tournaments are switched to sets what is only a question from some days).

I mean it is IMO clear, when you take part in a bike race you should come with a bike and not with your car, but it doesn't mean that their cannot be car races. So splinterlands could just create a third league where you can use this soulbounded cards, so that you could choice if you want play in a league with or without soulbounded cards.

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If he starts playing when the cards are being earned in ranked play then he will get them on his own like everyone else that plays.

If he starts play after the cards do out of print, he WILL be able to buy them.

So either way a player can get them if they work hard enough or spend enough when they go out of print. I don't think the cards are even 1 season old yet. So that is not even 1% of the total time they will have to earn these.

I can't think of anything more fair myself, and the fact that you and I want these is validation that its good to play and earn them each day. That's what we all should want, people to be excited about playing every day.

ok you are right, at the moment it is no big deal when a "newbie" starts, as the other player also don't have much of this rewards cards cause time to collect was not much.

But what will be in 3 or 6 monthes when the "old" player had a lot of time to collect the reward cards ?

You wore me out... Remember that not everyone will get the exact chances in anything in life. People start when they start and will recognize if they come in halfway into a project, that they participate and will get their chance to be there at the start on the next time a new set drops.

But having said that, we can disagree. I appreciate the dialogue but I have been swamped and unable to keep replying back to each point to you. But much respect Udow, you are a fair debater and ask your questions with a very objective view.

I understand that not everyone will get the same chances, we need not to speak about "exact" because the random determination where you are born (and in what family) can be such a huge advantage (or disadvantage) in life that you can never speak from equal chances.

Also at Splinterlands from the first day on their was no equal chances, the player who has more money can buy more packs, has better cards at higher level and a hug advantage before other players who has less money, but this point is compansated now with the rental market.

So far so good, but now it comes with a change 75 cards into the play. 32 from this card exist since a long time and it was always told before that they are only for brawls, with no other usecase.

Now close your eyes and imagine that you are new to this game, maybe you have enough money and want buy yourself a competitive deck to fight for the leaderboard, but you find out that this 75 cards you cannot buy, you can also not rent and you also find out that exactly in high-Mana-Battles this cards are really essentiell to get a top position in leaderboard.

What you do now ?

OK you can say: Next year comes the new release I will just play collect and than all will be fine.
But maybe you also say: " If this guys here don't want me and my money than I will just look for another game" and a new customer is lost cause of a bad user experience.

In the future maybe it will be even worse with the land expansion with more soulbounded ressources, in the end we will have just a closed society, cause everybody who come new to the game will just very quick see that he won't have any chance to compete with others - Is this your imagine from the future ?

What I also don't understand (correct me if I am wrong) is that this new set of reward cards was just released from splinterlands without any discussion or was their a post or a proposal I have missed where it was a discussion if this is a good idea or not ?

Of course I want new people to come in and play, and earn their way over time to get better and better. I know lots of people that came in after me that are doing well, and I have even brought some of my relatives from the Philippines in for the last few years. Everyone grows at their own pace.

You seem like a very competitive person @udow and want to be at the top. That's a great quality. Keep it. Just remember though that not everyone were like you. No game can exists if only the top players find it fun.

Having said that, I think they are making changes and focusing on making a better user experience. I have been one of the players that has been very vocal about this for a long time. I believe you will see improvements as we go, and getting many of the bot farms to leave is a major step in the right direction. But there has to be more.

Yes they did tell us about the new reward cards, I'm not sure if it was in a AMA/Town Hall or via a post, but I definitely knew they were coming and many players debated them (good and bad) for many weeks before they were released.

Have a great weekend Udow and thanks as always for a nice conversation.

ps... thanks for the beer, that's very nice of you!

Sorry but you don't get my point, probably I explained it not good enough, so let's compare with chess.

I told you that I am a chessplayer, but when I play a match with Magnus Carlsen I will sure loose this match cause of his ability and experience - The chance that I take a draw (not to speak from winning) is vanishingly small, so it is okay. I would have all chances against him and cause of my incapability I lost the game.

But now imagine (to compare with splinterlands) that he play with the Knights with bloodlust who transfer to a queen after they beat something at the chessboard but I play only with regular Knights.

Also if the result would be probably the same: I will loose the game, I would not like the second variant and if he ask me for a second match in the first case I would accept immediately but in the second case I would refuse.

Maybe you get now the point, it is not that I need to be competitive with others, if they are better, have better skills it is okay if they win, but not if they win cause they have the bloodlust-knight and I must play with the normal knight.

!beer

(n I try it again, before I was out of beer as you are limited how often you can call it in 24 hours :-) )

Maybe I can listen your oppinion about this battle from a wellknown splinterlands-teammember: https://splinterlands.com?p=battle&id=sm_LzqRwAcftUAiJfM9vGOw&ref=udow


Hey @davemccoy, here is a little bit of BEER from @udow for you. Enjoy it!

Do you want to win SOME BEER together with your friends and draw the BEERKING.