Splinterlands is planning to reserve 500k of the remaining Chaos Legion booster packs to create free to use decks of cards to lend out to new players through the NFTy Arcade Gateway platform.
The NFTy Arcade Gateway platform has proven to be a fantastic tool for getting new players into the game. By providing the new players with a strong set of starting assets they need to be competitive it makes players just starting their journey with Splinterlands more likely to convert into long-term players.
The data we’ve been looking at shows that players who come in through the NFTy Arcade Gateway platform stay around much longer and purchase far more packs and cards on the market, on average, than players who come in through any other means. Splinterlands VP of sales, @16bit, recently wrote a great piece on the platform and how it can help reduce the barrier to entry for new players, which you can read here: https://peakd.com/splinterlands/@jmonahan/market-making-via-gamer-enablement-with-nfty-arcade.
The current problem is that NFTy Arcade doesn’t have enough decks available for the amount of new players they are trying to bring in, and they have been hesitating to reach out to more communities until they have more decks available for them to use.
We feel that this is a great opportunity to take Chaos Legion packs, which would be otherwise burned, and use them to create decks that can be listed on the NFTy Arcade platform and made available for new players, which NFTy Arcade actively recruits, to use at no up-front cost. To date, this approach appears to give the strongest start to new players that we've found.
Splinterlands promises to never sell any of these cards, and all rewards that Splinterlands earns from renting out these decks will be burned or used for later promotions for players.
Please note that the NFTy Arcade platform has a strict no-bot policy for its services, which allows us to ensure that all of these decks will go to real new players around the world.
We anticipate these packs will lead to the creation of roughly one thousand playable decks.
We plan to create mostly Bronze and Silver level decks with these packs, as that is what is most needed to get new players into the game, and we don’t want to compete with other players renting out higher level decks through the NFTy Arcade platform since that is where most of the earnings potential is.
The gold cards received from the packs are planned to be used to make some Gold Foil decks that NFTy Arcade can use as prizes or extra incentives that players can win or earn for a period of time through contests, tournaments, or other methods.
The NFTy Arcade Gateway platform has proven to be one of the most effective ways to bring new players into the game and get them to stick around and contribute to the ecosystem, and as we said above, we see this as a fantastic opportunity to take cards that would otherwise have been burned and put them to good use without effectively extracting value out of the system.
Splinterlands will create dedicated account(s) to house these cards so players will be able to track the progress of the account and of the lenders who utilize this promotion.
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I don't get it. You simply take 500k packs and hand them to NFTy, because NFTy "doesn't have enough decks available"?
Like, first of all, these packs are not burned, but rather opened. Then, instead of renting my cards, people will use NFTy decks, which is at least a double-hit on my investment.
Or will NFTy somehow pay/compensate? How many players are converting? I see the numbers are better when people come in via NFTy, but will it compensate for what current players will lose?
This really caught me by surprise, coming out of nowehere.
You are absolutely right and in addition the point is that Splinterlands don't stick to the results of their own proposal.
By the way: The new soulbounded Reward-Cards are very bad for new customers as they don't have this cards and can neither buy nor rent them, so why they should join a game where it exist a distortion of competition who prefer the player who play this game since a longer time ?
sounds like you don't play splinterlands for fun :)
Ah, last fun part is Brawls. Ranked is bot only, tournaments more or less the same. But I love playing brawls. However, it's just one part of the game. There's money in it as well. Glad you either don't have to care about a tens of thousands of dollars investment - or we're talking different bags.
if you have been playing and looking at the data, the bots are actually kinda gone since the soulbound cards. They might come back but so far it's a different experience
Not where I play
There are people with good decks using bots instead of playing and I have a very low opinion of these people.
Does anyone?
probably not purely, but I have picked it up again after 2 months and I actually enjoy playing it
I love the concept of NFTY, I've delegated a decent deck to them to help them attract players. I earn a little less than I normally would, but I'm happy to have a new player be excited to play the game.
For that reason, I like to the see creativity of the SPL team and happy they are using their assets to attract more HUMAN players. I hope they do this with Rebellion as well.
I do understand why people are upset, because 1) this does seem to negate the purpose of the prior DAO vote to burn the packs and 2) it might compete with the smaller rentals to some extent.
But since the team has to run a business, then using THEIR packs in this way to grow is ok with me. I will lose a little rental income, but I'd be thrilled to see NFTY bring in 1000 new players to the ecosystem.
This hurts rental markets, devaluing CL decks further
This is a handout to a third party which goes against business principles. Big Govt does handouts
This undermines a prior DAO vote on pack burning.
These are facts. None looks good on paper.
100%
I don't get this decision..
Absolutely correct.
in addition I really think if splinterlands want get new player.
The new soulbounded reward cards with the possibility to use not only this reward card but also one of the 32 gladius cards speak IMO not for the idea to generate new player.
What is the fun experience to get beaten cause your opponent has cards you cannot use cause you can neither buy nor rent them ?
Hey AZ... On two of the three we definitely disagree.
None of these NFTY players use the rental markets at the current time. Plus anyone using the rental market would be foolish to give up 50% of their earnings and all their earned packs to rent a particular card by renting a whole deck. On top of that, these decks are limited to mostly Bronze, which is not where most human players play.
They aren't "giving" the cards to NFTy. They are delegating the cards to NFTy. The amount of earnings that NFTy will get from these decks will be miniscule compared to the dev work they have put in to build their platform. I think they take 5% of the 50% of the SPS earned, or 2.5% of the total earnings in Bronze. That is a very effective ad spend to target new players, and if it doesn't work, then SPL will burn the cards.
This I understand and agree is the case.
Also the rental markets have already been hurt by the loss of the low level bot farms. As a large renter myself, I'm aware the bots rent the majority of the low level cards. This is actually pro-rental market in that it is attempting to target new players to the game. New human players will rent cards as they a) learn the game and b) build their own decks.
While it will be awhile before the humans replace the hoard of lost bots, this program is pro-human player and is a step in the right direction in my opinion
I understand the NFTY players do not use the rental market. However, in a free market scenario, as a 3rd party, NFTY could have used the rental market as an entity. Yes, that would have add cost to their bottom line. However, that would have proped rental market higher. I understand the human player aspects.
Yes, they are delegating cards. For free. It is still a handout. Without it, they would have done it via point 1.
I believe their model is as a "connector" of two parties. They have been around for awhile and had some small success with getting players that own the decks to delegate to players looking to play the decks.
For instance, @leveluplifeph is one that has been a big delegator with 50 decks he's built and attracted new players.
Their constraints were based on the amount of decks that people delegated, not on finding new players to play those decks. But as a middleman, they would never have used the rental market to get the cards and make the decks themselves. Its just not their model.
That's why SPL decided to do this, @aggroed felt it was worth a shot to see if they could leverage this model in hundreds (if not thousands) of new players.
If it works, then it will be a new outlet for all card owners to "earn" on in the future. If it doesn't work, then they burn the cards as intended. I believe the impact on the rental market is insignificant though either way, because these cards will be used by players that wouldn't exist otherwise.
Yes, it is an executive decision. I am fine with it. As I don't have any responsibility :)
If this is a success, chances are we can all benefit somewhat (long shot in my opinion)
If this is a failure, the executives own it.
I completely agree with all these points AZ!!!
Hi, can you get clarification from the team that this will not happen to Riftwatchers packs? I bought a lot of Riftwatchers cards recently and am worried now.
The team doesnt technically own the RW packs so they wouldnt do anything like this with them without a DAO vote. Since sales from CL go to the SPL team they can do whatever they want with the packs. Technically if they used 2 million of Company funds to buy the packs the money would just go back to them so I honestly dont see the issue. Aggy has said that if this experiment doesnt work they will burn all the decks so no harm no foul IMO. Hope this helps <3
This would be impossible for the Team to do. Since the DAO owned the 3 million pack, it would have to vote on that as a DAO. I see no indication that will happen.
But we should definitely get the team to clarify to ease everyone's concerns.
Yes, I would like a clarification in writing. Thank you. That it MUST go through a DAO vote if it were to be considered.
I don't know if you listened to the AMA but I did ask the question. Aggy clearly confirmed RFW packs are not the teams to decide, instead they would require a DAO vote to pass something like this. So if you want to save and record it for your records, it is around the 2 hrs mark of the video +/- 10 min ...
I believe he answered it exactly to your liking, but of course its not written, so I encourage you to make a copy/save the replay.
The question is why do proposals if Splinterlands won't stick to the results ?
I mean this NFT Arcade can buy this 500k packs in the shop if they want to have them.
NFTY does not own the packs, the SPL team does. Nothing changes in that regard.
The team has just decided to experiment to see if this will bring in new players and help us grow the game. If it works then great. If not, then they will burn all the cards.
I am just curious why somebody should join this game new, as their will be a massive distortion of competition.
Before they add the new 43 reward cards every new player could buy or rent ALL cards he want and has the same chances like a player who play the game for vears, it was just base on skill (if both has all cards), but now Splinterlands changed this, a new player has no chance to buy or rent this 43 reward cards and he cannot use the 32 gladiator cards, so he is disadvantaged, especially as the ability bloodlust is quite usefull in many rulesets and from the "normal" cards only a few have it.
You really think it is a fun experience to be beaten by "old" players cause they have cards you don't own, you cannot buy or rent ?
@udow I don't know if you are just sitting around thinking of things that could go wrong or not, but that's the most ridiculous thing ever.
Players can get cards by playing, the more people play, the more cards they get. If someone starts in the future, then of course they wouldn't have played as much as someone that has played for a long time.
People aren't guaranteed to compete at the top the minute they enter the game. But everyone can compete at some level because there are various levels of people entering the game all the time.
And I think the soulbound rewards are incredible because they are something people have to play to earn them. If you want something (which I do), then its definitely fun to get it. Those that are truly competitive will play and earn them the old fashioned way (with sweat). No long will people get an advantage by just buying their way in regarding all the soulbound cards (reward and glad cards).
But you understand the point that a new player have no chance to have this cards at the start ?
If you than consider that Bloodlust is much stronger in lower leagues than in higher you see that a new player has a huge disadvantage.
Just think if bloodlust add +1 to all stats it means at a max-level card to add to an attack f.e. 33% when increasing them from 3 to 4 but 100% when increasing them from 1 to 2 at level 1 or 25% when increasing the life from 4 to 5 at max-level but 50% when increasing the life from 2 to 3 at level 1.
(When you ask from where I have this states, I have just took states of the Cutter Brieze as an example).
Maybe I just can ask you a question: Would you like with your car to take part in a formula 1 racing ? Would this be fun for you ?
yes I understand, the glad cards are strong. That's why players should want to join a guild and start earning them! That's the point.
And regarding your question, yes of course I would like for ME to have my car be so good I could enter it in formula 1 racing. But I'm old enough to know that it will never do that.
Its ok though, that doesn't mean I don't like having my car. It does what I want it to do, and I don't want to spend the money to make it able to compete as a formula 1 racing car.
So your question is a perfect example actually. Some people want a formula one racing car and are willing to spend the money on it, and some people don't. Same with the game. Some people want to play with what they have and enjoy the cards they have, and others want to have every card and are willing to do what needs to be done (ie. either invest money or time)
Wait a second... did not all SPS-holders voted for burning packs? - What a genius and trustworthy move. Seriously, hope that gets some more context and clarification by the SL team.
How can the DAO's vote be ignored on this? Seems like a bad move something we wanted is already being undermined...
While i understand why it doesn't have to be a proposal... I would have voted for it anyway I think it would have passed pretty nicely.
Seems most complaints are just that the expectations of one vote weren't altered by the consequences of new vote.
Bigger holders all appreciate seeing new players come into the game even though we're the ones that may also be impacted by less rentals.
However those getting chaos legion cards in these decks will also need REWARD and UNTAMED and even some PROMO or WILD cards ... so perhaps 1000 new real users will be renting.
If we trust their data the new users who try their service statistically have a good rate of long term connection to the game which hopefully leads to an increase of users and buyers... on this i guess it's trust oriented based on their data.
A couple things that could increase acceptance
Yes, and if they do have one, make it an official proposal not a pre-proposal.
Whats disturbing about this to me is that the team can mint any number packs they want. We buy them and if we don't buy them all they have free reign to take the ones the community decided weren't needed and use them to remove the demand for the ones we did buy by offering them as ghost cards with rewards 2.0.
I mean, its not a winning proposition for anyone but here we are. I've heard NFTy arcade on the townhalls making it sound like they were hurting for high level cards. Plenty of us can use our cards to make low level decks. God know many of us have eough of them. SO why not communicate that NFTy arcade needs low level decks and let the people who've already bought assets from the team fill the demand?
The more I think of this deal, the more it irks me. It doesn't matter if they don't sell the cards, it's just unfair to people who actually buy packs with their own money to play. I've spent several thousand dollars on CHAOS packs and individual cards and it's going to be iffy whether I do that with Rebellion.
I mean imagine Apple lending out free Iphones to people while you had to buy yours. Why can't they just let the free market free market?
Yeah. Its pretty stupid. And I keep seeing people talking about these card packs like they are physical inventory the team had to spend money to print.
If this is mildly successful are they going to just mint an extra 10 million rebellion packs just for this purpose next time and tell everyone how they paid to make those 10 million extra packs so they can use them however they want?
I think we need to start the conversation about the DAO having control over what and how many assets can be created and sold into the economy by any contractor, including the Splinterlands team. At some point, in a truly decentralized game, anyone will be able to make any assets they want. The DAO needs to take control over this sooner than later.
In theory, we should have voted on this proposal just like all the other proposals that have been voted on and will be voted on in the future.
Besides, why would we give 500k packs to a third company that creates decks to make money on them?
It seems really strange to me. Maybe we misunderstood, in any case if these packs were bought by NFTYs arcade would be a fair thing in my opinion!
They arent giving them to Nfty. SPL the company will be opening them (honestly they are their packs until someone buys them) and creating decks for the Nfty site. SPL will own the cards forever so the only real hit to anyone is the jump in card supply but that wont be a huge problem because they will be combining almost all the cards opened and it will be driving real new players, which is something SPL sorely needs.
That would be OK, I did not understand this passage. It was probably my mistake, thanks for the clarification :)
no worries <3 Im very happy I could help for once :)
thanks again, probably others below in the comments also misunderstood lol
Sorry. is this a joke? I guess it has to be a joke. Gifting nearly 3.5% of all CHAOS packs to somebody while all other players had to pay for the packs? This really cant be serious. Why should I or anybody else in the future buy any packs or cards, knowing that SL company is going to give them out for free whenever they want - diluting value of cards in their sole discretion. Particularly in case of CHAOS this is a massive breach of trust, since we votet on burning of the packs and gave it a go just because everybody understood that there are way too many CHAOS on the market.... and now you are planning to push further CHAOS on the market for free? Dear god, maybe someone can sign up for economics 101
I think it's a great idea, and if it's successful, it can also be applied to future editions of Splinterlands cards
sounds good! Although this should have been a proposal
Love it.
This is a disturbing news, as it will blow the market for deck renting with very cheep options (zero cost for those 500k packs). The vote of the community to burn those unsold packs was to removed them from the play, as we are facing a situation with many cards available, and little players interested in buying or renting those cards. This news will hit (again) on the existing players. Not good...
Complete backtrack on what was voted for by the DAO...
why bothering making any more promises or even giving statements of any kind if you'll change what you do and say on a whim at any given time.
I think actually fixing or improving the new player experience before trying to onboard a bunch of new "people" would be a better idea but what do I know
Why didn't I get a chance to vote no on this? 🤪
So long term, this could be a good way for the DAO to make $.
Simple approach could be that all $ earned from this goes to DAO and then DAO buys rebellion packs with profits - rents to NFT arcade etc etc.
Prefer to compete against the DAO out in the battlefield rather then in SPS staking rewards! 🤣 (old joke)
The DAO is not getting anything from this AFAIK. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
It's a zero sum game. If the DAO were to start buying and renting out cards then they would be competing with people who buy cards to rent out. You don't create FOMO for cards by increasing supply. Even if they don't sell the cards, it affects the market. The card rental market is connected to people buying cards for speculation thinking they can rent it out to recoup their "investment".
If Nfty thinks it can bring in an extra 1000 real players that would be great and worth it. I realize that some look at our user numbers and think we are doing great but IMO we maybe have 7k real players if that so adding over 10% of that number sounds like a good trade off for a slight increase in card supply opposed to just burning them.
I wouldnt mind seeing the rewards SPL gets being put into the dao instead of burning but I get that its a SPL proposal and not a DAO proposal so if yall chose to do that it would be out of the kindness of yalls hearts, which is super possible from my past experiences.
could you please just stop outsourcing everything important.
the new player experience should be fixed by splinterlands and the control over the onbording should not be left to third party developers.
Your data that NFTy is such a good onbording system doesn´t speak for NFTy - it speaks against your own onbording process.
There is zero control for the community or the company with the way you´re going about it.
Splinterlands without third party developers would feel like an early 2000s project. You still can´t transfer multiple cards on the website.
Outsourcing rental services,collection management services and statistic tools is fair. Somebody else is ready to cover what you don´t put enough ressources into.
but for gods sake please at least make sure your growth in user numbers isn´t depending on third party developers. fix your onbording. NFTy can be a great addition to a good splinterlands owned onbording process.
LMAO. ALL THAT IS LEFT OF YOU GUYS IS A FUCKING JOKE!
You knew that you would lose the vote, so you didn't put this up for vote🤣🤣🤣 and just decided over our heads that we will have another 3.5% card inflation even though investors don't fukcing want it. THEY VOTED TO BURN THIS SHIT.
You have broken too many promises by now to have any credibility left.
EDIT: You're saying now that these cards won't hit the market and will be burned, but nobody is going to believe it. If you feel different about it in a few months, you're just gonna change that. You have shown several times, that you don't care about what you promised in the past. You can't be trusted.
I'd vote for it, in a heartbeat. If you're bitter. See ya.
and how much money have you poured into this game believing what they've promised?
More than what is reasonable, friend. I've been here since they started the game, and seen the team create something from nothing. Whatever poor decisions you've seen, I've seen more than enough good ones to know we're on the right track overall. The fact this game is still functioning and card values haven't gone to zero in this ongoing bear mkt is testament to having one of the best houses in a bad neighborhood. The leadership team that got us here has done a great job in steering the ship accordingly.
This is a great idea.
That's a great idea! <3
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Wow .. this is a big news for us
Will these count toward the last airdrop/reveal?
That was nice!
It's like a Butcher congratulating the cows he's slaughtering on being vegetarian.
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You put it up to a DAO vote burn packs, yet you unilaterally decide to allocate a half million of them to a 3rd party? You had serious doubts this would ever pass a DAO vote, and probably for good reason. This is a disappointing development.
I really appreciate what @nfty-arcade does for the community. Maybe they could teach the @splinterlands team how to detect bot usage, since that was one of the supporting reasons for this decision.
Its a great move and I would love to take back my account from rental and actually play seriously again. More power to Splinterlands.