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RE: Global Blacklist API Proposal

in #sps5 years ago

I don't think that is a good idea to institutionalize your blacklist with SPS fund via Global Blacklist API. Your list is controversial and does not include many spam accounts. Plus, you're a witness, and over time you've sucked up a ton of money by selfvoting on manual and automated reports, which could also be qualified as spam.

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Does not include many spam accounts? Every one of the 44,561 accounts has been added personally and verified by me. Users are only added for spam, fraud, scams, and abuse.

For example this recent update of 447 accounts with free Steemit Inc delegation all owned by naim62.

https://github.com/themarkymark-steem/buildawhaleblacklist/commit/0e478e38119b6e010a1e0390040fe47e43f772c7

I don't add people because I don't like them or they are annoying. I have guidelines on what determines they are added to the blacklist.

You don't have the same criteria for all. You are a hypocrite!

By many, I mean many spam accounts from you and your friends.

Your selfvoting practice on reports that nobody reads is not much different than posting a pictures. You need some effort to take a picture. After creation, your reports are generated automatically.

You selfvoting is hidden behind multiple accounts. It's clear what you are doing: @ipromote, @memesplease

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You can't grab enough from rewards pool:

You practice selfvoting by multiple accounts; you are a witness, you are bot owner, you even manage to monetize your downvotes. Besides, you feel sorry that you didn't sell enough STEEM. How much STEEM did you buy?

Now you are heading for SPS fund. Great!

What do you think what message you are sending to investors?

I have no idea who you think my friends are and none of my accounts spam.

What accounts do you feel are spamming and should be on the blacklist?

Ipromote had almost no SP and were just auto-pilot because I did want to keep logging in to them separately. It now delegates to my account which follows my voting pattern. Previously it was 99% delegated out.


12.7 ( 7.87 % self, 320 upvotes, 103 accounts, last 7d )

Every vote there is $1.50-$2.00.

A ridiculous amount of time goes into what is behind those reports. I put in 10-40+ hours a week into finding and fighting spam. The reports are just an on-chain audit log. Similar to what SteemCleaners does, except I have zero funding for my efforts.

I am also the #8th flagged account on Steem as a result of my abuse fighting.

Until you offer a way for blacklisted accounts to exit your blacklist I won't vote on this proposal.

What you do is right and essential for this platform but in my opinion you get carried away and add everyone to the same bucket. I understand that fighting abuse you start seeing rotten in everyone but you should put more effort in explaining what behavior is not accepted and warn before condemning. If you're too busy (and I'm sure you are) you should delegate someone else as I'm sure other people are willing to do so.

For example, almost 2 years ago one of my bots was auto-replying to an abuser. Because of a bug it replied also in a thread in which you were involved and you decided to blacklist my bot forever. It was not spamming as it was only auto-commenting on my own posts or target accounts that agreed to it. I asked multiple times how to solve the problem and get out of the blacklist, you never bothered replying. You simply sit there and mock/laugh at people asking for resolution.

Until you offer a way for blacklisted accounts to exit your blacklist I won't vote on this proposal.

There has been a #blacklist channel on my discord for like 2 years where people can appeal. People have been removed from the list.

What you do is right and essential for this platform but in my opinion you get carried away and add everyone to the same bucket.

Every account on the list has done something that more than qualifies them to be on the list. I don't put people I don't like on it and am very particular about what it takes to get on the list.

For example, almost 2 years ago one of my bots was auto-replying to an abuser. Because of a bug it replied also in a thread in which you were involved and you decided to blacklisted my bot forever.

What bot? And where did I mock and laugh at you?

You simply sit there and mock/laugh at people asking for resolution

Eg.

  • A channel called "Blacklist - bring popcorn"

  • When you reply to appeals with memes

Just a couple of examples..

...I may be wrong but I perceive this as mocking / bullying / abuse of power.

People may have put a lot of effort into their accounts and like nothing they become useless thanks to @badcontent bot that (used to) start spamming every user on your blacklist and condemning them in its auto-comments in the same bucket as scammers. And at the same time the auto-comments were promoting your bidbot. Not very ethical IMO.

@iamstan put a good word for me and you finally turned it off but @gasaeightyfive still remains blacklisted.

I know that you generally don't like free resteemers. But IMO they:

  • Allow minnows to have a chance to get seen (I used them a lot myself when I started and was getting 0 payout)
  • Prevents new accounts from starting their own paid resteem service for absurd prices (new users may fall for them). Mine keeps the price free (and next to nothing for subscriptions).

And again, it never spammed accounts. It only auto-commented on its own posts, on post of users that subscribed and were ok with it, on other free resteemers posts.

How can we resolve this then? Thx

And at the same time the auto-comments were promoting your bidbot. Not very ethical IMO.

The bot never promoted the bid bot, and it clearly said it was one of these reasons.

Resteem services don't do anything, no one follows them to find content, it is mostly bots and auto follows. Such snake oil.

If I remember correctly, you were spamming another resteem service you were fighting with.

As for memes, I rarely drop them and when I do it's when a plagiarizer or spammer is pretending to be something else while begging over and over to be taken off the list. Resteem from a big account holder, sure that might do something but from a bot, lol.

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FYI:

Still me..
I am also recovering almost in real time accounts that accidentally leak their private keys. I already protected 2x big accounts putting their funds into their savings:
https://steemit.com/steem/@gaottantacinque/the-keys-defender-bot-is-live-in-beta-mode

No luck, hu?

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For example this recent update of 447 accounts with free Steemit Inc delegation all owned by naim62.

Why not just lobby @steem to cancel ALL automatic delegations (or have them expire after 30 days or something)?

Doesn't it make more sense to try and solve "the problem" with a systemic fix?

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