I'm repeating myself when I tell you that the idea is to make it possible to delegate Resource Credits separately from Steem Power. When that happens onboarding may take place in a decentralized manner. Apps that have millions of SP delegated to them by investors will be able to delegate RC to onboard new users. The separation of voting power and RC will go a long way to prevent abuse.
The idea is for Steem to be freemium, not free. New users should be able to interact at some basic level free of charge and if they want to become power users they will have to power up. The level of RC a new user is to have can be tweaked with the consent of witnesses.
As a long-term solution, users who are unwilling to pay to power up and will not tolerate ads or any other form of monetization of their attention are useless. Such users are nothing but a drag and will not be needed on this platform. Mass adoption will have to take place through apps offering a compelling user experience. Billions of people are accustomed to having their data mined and sold to advertisers. This form of paying for expenses and turning a profit will not be a problem for future apps on Steem and their user base. With mass adoption, Steem will not and cannot remain the digital hippie paradise and cornucopia paid for by speculators that it is today. The prospect of mass adoption bringing on board a large class of consumers is the very thing that keeps the speculation going.
Yeah but see we joined here to avoid getting taxed and a new concept. WHY even have dPOS at this point? So 21 people (most owned by ned/steemit inc) can control all the blocks? NOPE no thanks! If I have to pay taxes on the blockchain we can just go to real PoS and avoid all this! The whole point was to make a free bandwidth whereby dapps could store information they needed without a fee!
Mass adoptions will never happen when you charge users to play. How many people pay for facebook? How many pay for youtube? More and more people want FREE! There is no incentive as a new user to join anymore.
No developers are going to build dapps here that is what you fail to get. Why bother with steem when it keeps changing to something that is basically a centralized Proof of Stake now. The entire concept and principle of how it was founded is gone. The deal was we let the big fish be the witnesses and we voted for them in exchange for free bandwidth based on our Steem Power. RC just made that cost us voting and that in turn means money is lost. The accounts that get hurt the most are those under 100 SP, NEW users! That is a really stupid idea. Join my dapp but if you want to do more than setup your profile and make 1 comment you have to pay! Sounds like a great platform! Ned really has people brainwashed and people didn't read the ORIGINAL white paper dan made it seems. THIS is NOT what we signed up for and agreed to. Dan's version of steem and now EOS is much more logical and this is just unfair and driving people off the platform both big and small.
You going to pay the losses?? I paid out of pocket 3 weeks of running costs for servers and other expenses while I waited for this to get "fixed" while being told just to sit and be calm and wait.. That is not how you attract developers to your platform!
Having to pay to power up isn't the same as paying a fee you'll never see again. Facebook and YouTube are available for use free of charge because they mine and sell the user data to advertisers.
RC is just as based on Steem Power as bandwidth. Besides, apps have the freedom to delegate as much RC to their new users at any price they want to or for free.
What are you talking about here?
Very good repply , @markkujantunen
I AM A DEV and we are not happy with these changes. Your "IDEAL" that you can just pass the cost off onto devs and new users will join is insane lol but hey that is why dlive and many others left too right? No need to discuss this anymore you are never going to even listen to what I think say or do. You think I want to pay for all my friends, family and strangers to join? For what?? How do I afford that I only have so much Steem! But I guess when you don't run a dapp you don't know what it costs and just tell people who do to suck it up and thats what ned wants! See what we are building is a system that was based on the old rules. NOW you want us to pay for our new members or require them to pay... That is not going to fly with most people and will lead to losses. Obviously you never ran a server before since you have no concept of how much it costs to do so! Being unable to earn for days, no weeks because of this upgrade has cost a lot that no one is going to give me back! I had to pay my bills with no one giving me any source of revenue to do so. That means out of pocket! I'm sure you and steemit inc will love to give all us like blocktrades and dlive and others the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of STEEM we lost these past 3 weeks though right? You can send it here anytime you like.
Are you now talking about the botched up way Steemit Inc handled the launch of HF20? I'm having difficulty following you. If you're making too many assumptions about what your interlocutors know about your specific situation, you may cause them to fail to follow you.
Sure I know running a server can be expensive. As I've been repeating many times, the costs are borne by external parties who benefit from the service somehow (advertisers gaining access to a target audience thanks to mining user data, for example), the users themselves if they do not wish to be products, or speculators as in the case of Steem so far. I've also said that it's up to Steemit Inc. and the witnesses to set the price of RC at an optimal level. But you seem to be opposed to the whole idea of Resource Credits a.k.a. keeping tabs of network resource use and keeping it separate from Steem Power. I'm I right?
I think I made that VERY clear in my thesis the last 3 weeks.. Steemit Inc controls the network now and has pushed out most of us who have any voice and opinion that contradicts Ned. There is no longer dialogue and y'all expect the DAPP developers to just pay for the new users lol! You really believe that is going to happen? Good luck! RC is a scam and will diminish STEEM to pennies if not 0 soon unless things are fixed. You can't punish the people who make dapps and the plankton who are new members to subsidize the rich owners... That is just insanity and no one will continue to develop new dapps here. There is no reason to. The old system as you do not understand had bandwidth. That was basically free if you had SP. That was a way to store information on the blockchain for your dapp.. NOW that costs RC too. So we might as well just pay ether gas and be more decentralized at this point.. The agreement WAS we had 21 witnesses at the top and got free bandwidth relative to our stake. NOW we are told pay for our new members to join AND our gas tax... That makes sense to you how?? You must have went to harvard for economics because you talk like the federal reserve and wall street banks we fought and still are fighting so hard to break free from!
I'm not a follower of yours. This conversation is the first time I ever read anything written by you.
It's not a scam and that is not its purpose. RC is wonderful concept but for the time being the price of RC should be lowered still if it is too scarce for new users to interact at a normal human level.
Bandwidth wasn't free (or non-scarce). SP was never free. I remember very well some users with little 5-15 SP having bandwidth problems 9-10 months ago when there was a lot of traffic on Steem.
But you have RC proportional to your stake right now. RC represents bandwidth!
The title of this post is "HF20.. How it fucked minnows and plankton and will fuck us all eventually!" So unless you didn't read my post and are just a troll you should know that...
Really if you want to debate me on this at least read what I said or at least the title of my post.. You really are just trolling me now and a ned fan boy it appears. You will blindly follow ned and steemit inc off a cliff while they have golden parachutes to protect themselves at your expense.