Whatever the numbers end up being, a redfish account should be able to post and comment a reasonable amount on a daily basis.
Call it 5 average length posts and 10 comments. Add another 10 upvotes that's the normal recharge rate under HF19 and prior.
That's real life social behavior, not spam.
If the RC budgeting system doesn't allow for this there is no way new users will come on board.
Exactly. Comments are (or were) the best way a newbie could get ahead on Steem, by making thoughtful and engaging comments. In my early days on Steem, I could make upwards of 20-30 comments in a day, and I am not talking about 100-word comments, long-form comments and I was able to get a little Steem from that.
Maybe the voting factor isn't as important because when you join your vote means $0 anyway. But commenting is everything and if we reduce that to the point where someone can't grow their account from it (because let's face it, posting posts without bots gets you no attention when you're starting out) this platform is as good as dead.
We have so many great dApps and developers in this ecosystem, @steemmonsters is one such great example of a well-organised and coordinated Steem application. As it currently stands, the changes serve to prevent Steem Monsters or other apps from growing.
Ultimately, I get the impression these changes will make more sense when we get SMT's, but given they struggled with these changes, my outlook on SMT's being released smoothly is quite negative as I have almost zero faith in Steemit Inc's development team right now.
Implement Agile/Kanban, hire more developers, leverage the smart minds in the Steem community (give them Steem tokens or whatever) and make Steem more of a community project than some private platform masquerading as an open source decentralised application (which it is currently not).
I tell every new user to comment all they can, limiting them to 10 comments a day is a terrible idea
It really is. I’ve commented as many as 20 or 30 times in a day. Why would anyone want to restrict that?
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This idea came from whom exactly? This is the most disturbing, unbelievable and quite frankly I would say pathological idea I’ve seen on here. If someone would tell me that new users ability to comment will be restricted on a social network I’d say they are fucking out of their mind.
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I feel the same way too. I've earned a fair bit from blog posts but most of my earnings came from the 20-30 comments I posted to engage whales and the big wigs, steem is about attention anyways. I rrally hope the new system doesn't hinder this
"...hire more developers, leverage the smart minds in the Steem community (give them Steem tokens or whatever) and make Steem more of a community project ..."
This is a sentiment that is starting to resonate across users who perhaps in the past have had limited contact with each other.
The expertise pool on Steemit must be on-boarded in some way.
This. A freemium model requires basic functionality to be free, and that means a reasonable number of posts, comments, and votes.
I think there is only something like 50K daily active users, so what happens when we have 100K or 250k daily active users, is the number of post, comments and votes going to go done even more. I mean steemit seems to be having problems already. Maybe you can also help me out with what cost is involved with steemit, they keep talking about cost , but have never shared what the cost are.
Just a guess here, as I'm not a programmer of any type, it likely has to do with all actions that either/ both require computation and/or take up space in blocks, which requires resources from the servers running the Steem blockchain (witnesses), both in terms of space and computation. Because the number of actions that the blockchain can handle all at once are limited and some actions require more resources than others, such as posting comments compared to sending Steem from account to account, they are allotted proportional Resource Credit (RC) values.
One thing this will help with is spammy comments and posts, since most accounts that do these types of actions are low in SP and tend to use the strategy of making many posts per day to create a type of "net" to hopefully get lucky on a few votes. Now that the blockchain better accounts for how many resources are being used up by these types of actions, those low SP accounts won't find it as easy to pull off that type of strategy, and that translates into less "trash" (spam) on Steemit and other Steem DApps. At least, in theory.
Yeah if a new person doesn't have RC enough to vote 10 times a day what's the point?
We're teaching people they can vote 10 times a day their RC-Mana better be enough to make that a reality.
And that's not even mentioning Commenting. Why can't they comment on those 10 posts they like.
That's interacting with 10 whole posts in 24hrs. That should be a starting place and that starting place is super weak... imagine if people were told they can only heart and comment on 10 instagram posts a day until they pay money or spend 2 months earning money on Steem.
In my view Steem is really the only Blockchhain where people can enter the ecosystem without investing anything. Lets take Ethereum, Neo, Iota, Mythril or Socialwallet whatever they all require to have at least some amount of Coin/Token to be able to transact. On Steem users don't have to invest anything and they still can be part of the ecosystem. Yes, I understand in social media realms it is very odd to tell someone he can only comment 4 times or give 4 votes but Instagram, Reddit or Facebook are not Blockchain and you are giving away your privacy without earning anything.
I think Steem just needs to sell its positon right to new users. Just be transparent about our systems and the positive and negatives that we enjoy here. If the expectations are communicated right than there should be no negative first-user impression. And what I found positive if we could build communities around new users to help them to get the starting here right and therefore if they found themself worthy than we can delegate some SP to them ( I see the minnow project here as a good starting point) If the "old" users understand that the new users need their help we could make this a very pleasant platform where everybody is happy to help each other...
But lets see how things will play out!!!
That's well said.
in a perfect society, that would work. alas, most of the older accounts already 'have their mates' and rarely vote anything else, because, 'dont have time'
the most engaging people on here, are the ones with no money. and this update has actually made that near on impossible for them to do
Do you have any proof of that "older' accounts are just cyrcle voting? Or are you just bringing up cliche? I know a lot of old accounts who do care much about minnows but they expect some level of good content.
I just checked your blog and sorry but your one shot pictures are no way close of being good content. So what do you expect to get from Steem if you don't put in any effort? You want free money falling from the sky when you are posting a photo of a brick? Thats not gonna happen. And there are to many newbies who just wanna get quick rich something and I don't agree with that if Steem wants to be a successful platform it needs users who put in first effort and good content. Than you will get paid not the other way around!!! If a minnow is serious about blogging and earning money he should invest something in his new business thats just common sense and the same in every other business. Or how do you want to motivate people to invest in Steem?
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how far back did u look? did u see the 500+ word stories that made a dollar?
did u look what my average posts word count is? or the average pay it gets?
what about this series, where I put myself out there for people to see the real me?
this one for example? - https://steemit.com/life/@dunstuff/exposing-my-vulnerabilities-5
or the 4 before it?
and the end of the day, it's hard for a user to continue writing good content when shit like this makes $16,000
with no investment. - https://steemit.com/@halo - but aint noone gonna flag it, cos, tits, and, although the content isnt very interesting, its orriginal, not plag.
shrug
but hey, I guess I'm just a whiny minnow right? maybe it's just that I've seen my investment plummet.
don't worry, I'll be gone soon enough. I was kinda hoping this place would be different, where proof of brain was how u got rewarded. but that's not it at all. its a popularity contest.
and no, I didn't say ALL users are in circlejerk mode. I'm saying that a lot of new content doesn't get noticed because people already have loyalties to other users.
just looked up your stats. your 'donut' is good. many sprinkles on it.
Plenty of older accounts are involved in projects which directly benefit new and old users alike. It's not all just curcular nepotistic voting.
Restricting commenting has me more concerned that restricting upvoting. At full mana, new accounts can only comment twice to completely deplete mana. So that is 1 post and 1 comment over 5 days (assuming it takes 5 days to fully recharge). If the new user is also upvoting then we are talking about 1 comment every 5 days.
Increasing the RC budget by 10 would be a huge improvement but still very limiting. I believe we need to encourage as much engagement as possible from new users. Most people will not want to invest immediately but rather get familiar with the platform before committing to investing. I took several months before I bough my first 10,000 Steem.
Steem Inc could consider increasing free delegation of SP to new accounts to help them out.
I just responded to 6 posts no upvotes, my voting mana rose from 44% to 50%.
Commenting on this post will no doubt lower my resource credits. Is this how the resource credits are supposed to work?
My vote power was at 50% last night after two days after the upgrade.
Some people like myself were very involved on the steemit platform. Investing time every day. If this cant be fixed some people will move on to do other things to try to generate positive returns.
Restrictions on commenting is Purgatory.
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I agree with this, but I believe the comment number should be a bit higher as well. People who reply to their introduction post will easily get 10-20 comments posted on their first day.
It needs to be at the very least 50 comments and 4 posts per day for EVERYONE. 100 comments would be better. If people don’t feel free to express themselves WITHOUT THE COGNITIVE LOAD OF BEING AFRAID OF USING UP RC then I’m afraid this experiment is a total and colossal failure. Epic fail.
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