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Can you change the last 12 hours to be not exclusive to downvoting? There are people who are abusing their stake and downvoting in an abusive way. Please change this last 12 hour downvoting rule asap!
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Yes, please. The current system gives voters power without accountability and it needs to be changed. A voter can abuse authority in the last 12 hours with no impact upon his or her reputation, while authors have no recourse and can have both their reputations and payouts impacted. This 12 hour lockout period was well intentioned to prevent author sniping abuse, but instead has left us wide open to voting abuse. A better system would be the one Smooth suggested, in which (if I understand correctly) votes decline in % strength during the last 12 hours, so that any vote can be up/down countered with minimal deterioration of value, and any last-minute vote sniping would be nearly worthless.
I agree about you about this... It is not fair we can do nothing in the last 12 hours. :)
Very good point. This will definitely make users feel more at easy, considering how the action has been abused as of lately...
I have been trying to get some friends to join. They had a lot of questions about that 12 hour window. I could not come up with a logical explanation for it and they decided not to sign up. I think the solution that donkeypong and pfunk mentioned would make much more sense. I could sell that to my buddies.
how would they even now about these problems?
I have had some friends who were interested in joining. I wanted them to join so I sat down with them and tried to explain things as thoroughly as possible. I didn't want them to be in for any unpleasant surprises. I was able to explain just about everything except for that. I had a pretty good answer for how things worked until I got to that 12 hour window. When they asked "why can you only have rewards taken away during the last 12 hours?" I didn't have a logical answer for them. I could only say, "that is the way the system works".
Well as they mostly would not have been affected , just not telling them such irrelevant thing might be the right way to go if you try to onboard people. Most of them will not earn anything anyway in the beginning @knozaki2015 @hanshotfirst
agree on that. I don't think you have to explain all the details. let them join and find out some stuff themselves. nobody told me anything ;) .
btw. the reason that downvote is there (at least my theorie) is that in order to avoid whales in voting up their own posts last minute of if they did that other whales have the time to counter it.
I don't consider bernies downvotes to be harmful to the platform, he can do as he pleases with his voting power, as any user can, and if a post is downvoted by one whale and for eample 100usd are taken of a post which is at 300usd, than that's it. there is no post which deserves 500 or more usd anyway. so people should just stop crying and start posting more ;). all that drama around someone is downvoting me is just kindergarden, you know: sometimes the you lose and the other time the others win... that's how life is...
I wish to thank you personally for voting for me this past year. Steem was very fun in the beginning, when most people recognized each other. And now it is a little easier to get followers. The middle time had my best unrewarded work, however.
aizeonsou, I think its been a while since you up-voted me, but thanks
A very good point @stellabelle.
I hope someone was listening !!!
If it were not exclusive to downvoting, there could be a larger problem of last-minute upvoting. The 12 hour thing was a stopgap compromise. It should only be replaced with a better solution, and not removed without one.
This was predicted. Nobody listened. I'm wondering if anyone at Steemit, Inc. ever takes valid concerns seriously, such as...
The proposed change for increasing vote impact.
I'm pretty sure we know what's going to happen with that. But in a month or so, let's all pretend that we're just learning about the predicted consequences and say things like, "I can't believe nobody opposed this!"
Whatever chain BB will fix EVERYTHING
chain bb is nice, buuuut I kind of like the classic, and I don't like how my blockchain looks when I use chain bb to post comments :D
me too, but eventually it will be chainBB that ,lets u fully customie the "theme" or graphic style of the posts and everthing,
it looked great and the forum adds to both conversation and the presentation, so I ended up voting more evenly and spending more time socializing :) buuuuut when I get back to steemit, I still like it a bit better, it looks more tech
I agree. Though there are advantages to having a fixed payout window.
Presently, one of the better solutions I've heard to mitigate last-minute voting abuse is to decline the influence a vote (up or down) has on a post nearing its payout time. Something like a linear-scale decline over a post's last 24 hours before payout.
Agreed, that would be much easier for the layman.
I will second that.
Yes, that's the fix we need.
I think we need less fixes and to get back in the simplicity mentality, we are finally getting how rewards work because of these discussions and we already have to solve something and add another, imagine people trying to follow this later and how many tutorials will become irrelevant.
It would be great to work this through as a community, identify the biggest(could be something small) "drivers" of the problems and work from there, just adding up patches one after the other seems like missing the point and neglecting he main issues.
We need some network psychology :D and more talks, should be hosted.
Two more big forks, I think, and then we may find that most of the big coding changes are behind us.
I think we need to split the content from the votes, have the economics as a separate branch, in the spirit of scalability we should take a more decentralized approach, steemit is great, but if we can use the greatness behind steem that would be even better, the only one doing the decentralized (block)chain is IOTA and EOS. Imagine Steem running as a app on top of YT for instance, where you can run a steem sidechain and have the content creators earn from votes we give here, so steemit becomes the wallet even more and now your "power" is even greater, because steem has become not just a experiment but a proof of concept, that it works and it's fun. That would require massive programming skills though. Since the "app" has to be able to add in the whatever information and link back to the main account, in the hypotetical example being YT, so @yt just like we have polo and bittrex and OL, yt where all the votes go, buuuut hummmmm how do you get it from your wallet, if yt has it :) I'm just thinking, there are some holes a lot probably, I will get back to this later :) sometimes
hardware wallet and a desktop app is what I'm stopping at :D so lots of C++/C? python, whatever i need to read more on the tech here as it stands I'm just blabbering
Great idea. It's not impossible. In fact, if I understand your suggestion correctly, the developers have planned for this possibility. Steem should be able to power and monetize the content on other sites.
This makes much more sense. I can definitely explain that to a newbie.
It opens up possibilities to get more creative with the theory and liquidity of STEEM Power and stake. We'll see if anything happens there or not.
maybe it was woring great for you but not for tha majority pof us...too much steem is being given to such a small minorty, its not ok...wealth should be more evely distributed here for the rewrads pool if we EVER want to attract more users like facebooks 2 billion members....just go look at how many pepe write great articles and arent getting any attention whie these few steemit elite are lording over the rewards pool, making a killing while everyoen else is left with teh scraps...they dont need as much as they are getting...tthey canafford to allow a little more evenly distrbited rwards pool....and this is an oversimpplication...theres many ddiffferent upgtrades tey are gona impleent..
for example, chainBB ALONE will allow for a better experience with higher payoits for noobs and minnows! This is an example of a way to fix this prblem WITHOUT messing with the rewards pool....we need the type of subredditsystem redit has...but im glad we will ave something better...they need chainBB links on front page...it must not be difficult we need things more user friendly ...we want to attractt everyone on steemit like facebook or instagram, and we cant just have the same people making 100,000 dollars a year whee we could have 100 people make 1000 a year! I also notice many of these people who get like $1000 from a single first post just take it all into steem and liquify it into bitcoin spend t, and then complain about ow they arent making mhc money..they dont wanna invest in steempower...and its their own fault! and if they would just KEEP their steempower they coudl see! but no...and so they loose out..its a goodthing...the greedy must loose out...
but yeah besides a few cool guys like craig and johal most steemit whales ust get hudnreds of dolars per ppst, and dont give any of it back! they should be sending steem to all sort of new users! but nope ogh well maybe they are right to feel entirtled to a magical crypto currency they only recieved because of support from the comunity..but the smart ones here and teh nice people will end up spending that steem they earn on new development and features upgrades
i know i am gonna be spending any major steem i have by teh end of the yar on whatevr upgrades i see we still need by then, i am HOPIG we will pretty much have everything I want here...but i can garuntee you they will be missing a few cruical things like a multiplayer game system to play games for steem....ii hate when they talk about how "it cant be done" or how 'we cant have mhttps://steemit.com/enhancement/@ackza/to-make-steemit-grow-with-more-users-and-content-here-is-my-list-of-digital-accessories-and-enhancements-i-believe-stee mitultiplayer games on the front page" uyeah it CANE be done and if we need a chrome extension a sort of Steemit Enhancement Suit then SO BE IT!
thenagain I am just talking out of my ass!
interesting ideas, peerplays should work for the gaming side, there are other gaming coins we can use in out ecosystem, on the apps an extension side I'd agree with you, the whole experience can be improved on many fronts.