RE: @officialfuzzy's BitClones! New Steemit Clone(S) for every language! (pending license from Steemit Inc.) -- A Golos Inspired Parody

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The problem with autotranslated articles is that they are low quality, even if the original is well above the norm. That is what a lot of comments mentioned when people posted featured posts of Russian authors done with google translate. Even some translations made by people with average skill (which seems to me quite low) will have a lot of kinks here and there.
Hell, even the articles I translate both to and from English could be done better, and I am way above average, even if I say so myself.

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[officialfuzzy]

This still does not merit a whole new chain. And additionally, if i ivest i this chain...how will THEY deal with the issues that i will not be abke to easily read and stay updated on the chain? These tools will only become more accurate and eventually will not be a huge issue and WILL EVEN BE NEEDED IN RUSSIACHAIN (AKA GOLOS).
Posts do not need to be perfectly translates. Additionally, if you understand how they have it set up, they are nearly guaranteed to be able to choose who will he the top witnesses nearly indefinitely.

This chain can handle it all.

So with that said. How do you expect me to efficiently use my voting power on a chain that forces people not to use english or other languages?
I really think you guys are not thinking this through enough.
Plus i guarantee you someone could clone this for 100-200k MAX. Maybe they would like to take out a loan and do that so the chain goes into tesnet and can be tested live before asking for 3 million dollars from "investors".

People unwilling to take risk on should not be given large sums of money imo. I dont care how good their story is.

I am still wondering why they arent responding.

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I am not sure about here, but they are actually pretty chatty in telegram, as well as at chat.golos.io, not as chatty as couple days ago, but they explain that with participation in that crypto conference in Kiev & work on paper, etc. Still, a lot of stuff is done preemptively by enthusiastic people in Russian community.

And yeah, I know what you are talking about, and I actually understand where you are comming from. I think that their main reason for doing it is twofold:

1. Russia is a big market and there isn't much cryptowise there, especially nothing like steemit. Also, Russia is one of three big countries that are notorious about people there not wanting to learn other languages (other two are America and China). Also, from their chats the idea with 3 mil is the top for the ICO. They will proceed with things even if they don't gather 3 mil, according to them.
2. That whole thing is probably (I am speculating here, but that seems quite plausible) the symptom of the current centralization thing on steemit. While most people understand and live by "This is beta, things will improve in the future" mantra (I know, I do), a lot of people would like to see how the system would work with more decentralized stake. I also suspect, that this is the reason why Steemit Inc greenlighted that idea. And while this might hurt Steemit in the short term, it is possible, that would actually be helpful long term. With this whole licensing thing, Russians that would rather participate in an international community might join Steemit. There is a difference in scope between the projects, anyway.
   Oh, and a thing I really want to see is them hiring some UI/UX experts to make a good site, and that those changes would be sent upstream, and we would benefit.

Hopefully, the Golos guys will do a reply. Anyway, as a part of @rusteemitblog team, I am just doing my part of bridging the gap between Russian speaking community and rest of Steemit. Perhaps, it would have been better if they guys from Golos were doing that (they are ones with big monies and SP), but we have what we have. :-D
From what I see, a lot of stuff on Steemit is grassroots, and low reward. Zipfs law, and all that.

[officialfuzzy]

I greatly appreciate your thoughts on the matter and wish you were part of their team so i could have at least a sense that this isnt a team just wanting 3 mil (or whatever they get) and 17% stake "because just trust us". Maybe your responses would make me a bit more trusting the motive.

As far as the centralization symptoms, the way their holdings are going to be designed and the way the ICO is designed, they could easily male this system very centralized.
For instance right off the bat many of the golospower from this communities sharedrop will not be easily able to find, upvote and monitor witnesses to ensure they are doing a good job (or using their power badly).
But cryptofund will easily be able to outcoordinate their small community (many of whom also will not be russian speaking as last i checked they are not making sure you speak russian to "invest". )
Additionally there is nothing, and i mean nothing keeping them from taking btc earned, mixing it and rebuying more stake in the system. In fact if they did that and didnt quite hit the 3 million "cap" (that doesnt exist in the first 24 hours mind you) then they would say "well we didnt quite reach the funding but we are going to support development with the help of the community. Thank you for the upvotes everyone" meanwhile multiple large user accounts actually hold large stake not directly connected to the team could upvote them unconditionally.

The opportunity for a fraudulent launch is high and their motives questionable...or else they would have just made an innovative chain that actually had merit beyond using discontent of a beta level product to get moey and power thrown at them.