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RE: The value of Steem and its users: 1 Steem user = 10 Facebook users!

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So are you saying all this https://steemit.com/steemit/@penguinpablo/steem-stats-active-users is wrong? He has the daily users at 20k, weekly at 50 and monthly at 100k. Also 20k monthly seems low given that we have 100k unique visitors a day according to hypestat. And would be less than 10% active users. Can u please explain?

Obviously if u are right the numbers would change quite a bit!

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Here a special preview for you of the monthly values, where "active" means made at least one post, comment or upvote. I will add it to my next daily stats.

That looks more in line with the data from @penguinpablo but still not 100k.

Strange... My figures are a lot higher. I count 23,906 distinct users on 2017-07-18. May: 33,655 and June: 89,950.

I also count the accounts that made a transfer, power up/down or downvote, but I don't think that will make such a big difference.

I will count only the active curators tomorrow to see if I have about the same figures as you have.

i think it is correct to include any activity into the active starts.

Thank you for checking in. It is always good to verify data. It seems clear that the 20k monthly users however cannot be correct so i think overall my analysis should generally hold.

But 60k active users vs 100k is a bit of a strange difference if i read arcanes chart correctly?

Definitely curious to hear what the consensus is on the N* of daily active users after these comments.

For the last 30 days (June 20 - July 20)

All active accounts (including account_create): 105,889
Active accounts (excluding account_create): 80,141
Active curators only: 68,614
Active authors only: 53,510
Active curators and authors: 75,436

What does "including vs. excluding account_create" mean? Is the simple creation of an account already considered being an "activity" though?

Yes, that's right. The creation of an account is the first transaction of that account. But it's better to exclude it, because the user hasn't really done anything.

Yeah, I fully agree :)
Great job on putting all this information together! If I wasn't following you already, I'd do it now :))

To calculate the "active" accounts, I have included any transaction that has been made by an account. This can be a post, upvote, downvote, transfer, sbd conversion, power up, power down or even the creation of the steem account itself.

Here are my calculations for the month of June:

Total active accounts: 89,950
Active curators only: 52,750
Active authors only: 42,124
Active curators and authors: 58,904

Good to see we have almost the same numbers :) The difference is, how to define an "active" account. I have included the creation of an account even if the account won't be used thereafter. If I exclude the 'account creation' I count only 62,532 active users in June. To my surprise. It seems a lot of people sign up without using their account thereafter. I did not expect that. I will exclude those accounts in my calculations from now on.

@penduinpablo, we could talk endlessly on the definition of "active user" ;)

I consider authoring (posts and comments) and curation (up/down votes) as the main activity with added value for the platform, hence my definition of "active" restricted to that.

not withstanding possible slight differences between the numbers, I think you still make your point very well. It's also right in line with how I concluded my post "Managing Expectations when trading SBD for STEEM" (also added your link over there as well).

Furthermore, this "dynamic" was also part of my incentive to release my latest script for STEEMIT users: "Post Vote Slider and Past Payout Monetizer... and next, here comes SteemTUBE...!

And in case I didn't quite make it clear, terrific article! :)

Nice to see Steemians linking to related articles offering tons of value, definitely helped me a lot and you have yourself a new follower. @alexpmorris
@knircky

glad you found them so useful @blockchainttmft, upvoted a few of your articles as well and followed. I even "Past Payout Monetized" one of your recently expired resteems as well! lol

Thank you. I had not seen these post I am following you now!

thanks @knircky, can't add anything to that though, was already following you too! :)

So are you saying all this is wrong?

Daily active users looks correct, even if we might argue on the definition of "active user".
For the other values, it is something I need to check.