LOL. Oh boy this is about to get even better. You who is the only person who hates Reinsdorf more than a Cub fan? A Sox fan! I was a hardcore sox fan for about 42 years. Over the past few seasons they have become the worst thing possible... boring. I used to attend 10 games a year. Now for the first time in my life I can't name the entire starting 9 players. I was also a Bulls season ticket holder for years (luckily got rid of them last year). Reinsdorf has made both of these teams unwatchable. (Although the Sox at least finally got Kenny Williams out of the way and made some decent trades for younger talent). His refusal to get rid of inept general managers is infuriating. Now that I got that out of the way, let's talk about the stadium.
My take is that if 1 penny of tax money is used, then the city should get to make every decision about the stadium. Tax money should only be used as an investment. It should be used with the goal of bringing back exponentially more in revenue for the city. But no. They let Reinsdorf pick the stadium. Comiskey was designed by the same team that built Camden Yards. My understanding is that they gave Reinsorf the plans for Camden Yards and the genius said "No". No. No he didn't want an actual tourist destination. No. No he didn't want a series and shops and restaurants attached to the ballpark. That could have brought in a ridiculous amount of money. Instead we got the last of the terrible 1980s mall like stadiums... and they faced it the wrong way! The skyline is kind of a big deal. You would think anyone with a brain would want the stadium facing that view. But no. He's an idiot.
Same deal with Soldier Field. If tax dollars were invovled, that should have been a giant dome. Do I like domes? Nope. But if it involved tax dollars it should have been an investment that would attract Super Bowls, Final Fours, giant boxing events and humongous concerts. The city should be making money hand over fist at a stadium in that location. Instead we got the smallest stadium in football... and it looks like a freaking UFO landed inside the columns.
So yeah this is a multi faceted problem. Perhaps the city should have stayed out of those deals. But if they were involved, they should have built things that would have been huge money makers.
I grew up in Peoria, so the Cubs/Sox dynamic was much different than growing up around Chicago. We were split Cubs/Cards mostly. Peoria's single-A team keeps switching between the Cubs and Cards affiliate every ten years or so.
I didn't start hating the White Sox until my late 20s in the late 90s when I was managing a Marriott hotel in Cook County and had to listen to complaints about the highest in the country hotel taxes every single day. When you get asked 5 times per day why the hotel tax rate is 20%, you learn why, and a good chunk of that was to pay the bonds on New Comisky/Guaranteed Lower Rate Field. It also irritated me that if the hotel tax rate was lower I could have paid my employees more and maybe kept the good ones longer instead of having so much turnover. With just a 4% reduction in that tax rate, I could've paid $1.20 more per hour, give or take.
And then a few years later I learned that the deal Reinsdorf got from Daley, Thompson, and Madigan was the first of its kind in this country. Before then, any subsidies for sports stadiums were minimal, mostly dealing only with infrastructure connections. Nowadays, almost every stadium is predominantly paid for by taxes and the economic benefits they promise never pan out. At best, those subsidies pick the winners and losers of entertainment dollars, they don't create new dollars. (Field of Schemes was a great book studying this dynamic.)
You are so right about Soldier Field. IF it was going to be publicly funded it should have been a Dome for year-round use with public control over how it was used. So many opportunities with a dome. And its just ugly now. That was a debacle, through and through.
Your White Sox got a ring recently enough, I had to wait until last year. I played little league against Jim Thome back in the day, and ran into him around Peoria a few times during his playing career, he is a great dude. As a 14 year old in 1984 I got crushed when the Cubs and my guy Sandberg just missed the Series. I put up with them for another 32 years, like a fool. But I feel your pain with the White Sox being boring right now and an owner not willing to pay for good players. Chris Sale, come on, you keep a guy like that to build around. Moncado better be the next Big Hurt. And the Bulls after Jordan? They lost me, too. Sad. Hang in there. Or don't, and move to Arkansas like I'm about to do. :)
LOL. Good luck in Arkansas!
I rooted against the Cubs for 45 years. Then last year, I gave in. I couldn't root against them. I would have felt like such a hypocrite. They did EVERYTHING the way I dreamed my team would do things. And I want Joe Maddon to adopt me.
By the way, every story I have heard about Thome always ends the same way "He's a great guy". I'm happy the Sox got him, but they were bidding against themselves. He would only agree to be traded to 3 teams (Cle, Cubs, Sox) and the other two teams had first basemen. The Phillies had to trade him (Ryan Howard had been called up) to dump his salary. Instead of tossing the Phillies a scrub and paying the whole contract... Reinsdorf sold the starting CF Aaron Rowand to them so that the Phillies would pick up half the contract. They just won the World Series and would not pay for a premier DH. I despise Reinsdorf!
Not that I'm bitter.
And I remember Reinsdorf starting that trend of tax dollars paying for stadia. In retrospect, they should have called his bluff about Florida. That trend is bad for tax payers and fan bases. Just ask the San Diego Charger fans.
yes i thought so too considering all thats happening recently