MALICIOUSLY STRUCTURED! Fully agree. They basically were trying to hold the stake hostage so they could do what they wanted with it. I said burn it all and they told me to fuck off. Regardless if it was ninja mined and 'promised' or not. I understand why they did, but did not agree with it. I am curious though, where is 22.4? Looks like you pissed off a lot of people. To be expected. There are some majorly valid points down there, especially concerning the community aspect of it and the sheer numbers of supporters many have. Those numbers (albeit some long since inactive accounts - and I imagine some are even from themselves) represent what Steem really is. The community. As long as you all don't do anything too drastic and have the blockchain's best interests at it's core, that community will remain. But the blockchain without the community is - nothing.
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The SF was structured to protect the decentralised governance. Nobody (at least the far majority of Witnesses) wanted to go anywhere near forking off their stake, we simply wanted to have a place to talk, without having the chain overtaken (which happened now).
And the fact that you call the SF malicious, while you were in favor of burning it? Are you stupid? I told you already that burning it off is far too extreme, but you're calling the SF malicious? Again, are you stupid?
The SF was built on the promises (not to use the stake for voting & governance) by the previous owners of Steemit Inc. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since Justin is now the steerer of the ship, he made his move. Centralising the chain to bring change. I don't want to be the person who judges whether it's wrong or right, but one thing is for sure: @ned has always been full of shit and for the last 2+ years, he's been a useless idiot. He should have known that selling it to Tron, will result in this outcome. So either he's stupid/naive, or he never cared about decentralisation.
I think Ned knew just what he was doing by selling to Tron. He knew how you would act.
Sun would have known to call steemit, steemit and not steemy at the AMA.
think about this from the perspective of an angry person with a toy everyone wants that you own but no one likes you.
You're a pretty smart cookie. But I'm the one they keep calling stupid.
You're a pretty smart
Cookie. But I'm the one they
Keep calling stupid.
- enginewitty
I'm a bot. I detect haiku.
LOL
lol. It comes with the territory of not following group think, I'm afraid.
"Follow none, carry some & lead the way while helping all you can."
#newsteemparadigm.
Your words are my actions on here. I've been trading, making profits and giving back to my supporters in steem, direct to them.
In favor of burning it after the fact. That way nobody could keep abusing it. I would have never voted to do this, never upgraded to 22.2. I get why you all did it. Who was benefitting from the SPS? Same people. Look, I don't agree with hijacking anything. And now we're all gonna pay the price for it. I don't blame them, I blame other people that were impatient and jumped the gun before there was any kind of actual talk aside from a marketing commercial. And yes, I'M AS STUPID AS THEY GET.
It doesn't matter what comes after. Burning is only okay, if it's a whole new blockchain & branding. Nobody would have ever burned Steemit Incs stake like that, on the original Steem blockchain. Stop spreading lies.
Also, if Steem ever has only people like you left, then good riddance. Spineless idiot.
People like me? Do elaborate. Because, I'm too stupid to understand exactly what just happened the past month.
You do not sound stupid... you sound like a fucking shitheel mealy mouthed shithead.
Why thank you! I try hard to uphold my standards and procure plenty of salty shit for the masses.
LOLZ!
I agree. The witnesses probably should have tried to talk about this before taking actions to freeze steemit's accounts.
I remember the last time there was as little as a whisper about forking steemit's stakes, ned started powering down. They agreed such a thing won't happen as long as he accepted to use the stakes for development purposes, which he did.
Under new leadership, we should have reached out to rediscuss those terms first. But no, we had to act out of fear by freezing their stakes first. At that point, our intent didn't matter to Justin Sun. He bought the company with his money and he had to protect his assets from threats.
I also think we must have been pretty dumb to think it was okay for ned to sell steemit with all that stake in the first place. If we believed it didn't belong to him, freezing it was a move we should have done a long, long time ago.
What part of what @ned did with his stake was your business?
@ned didn't do this. He could have. He had the power to do this for years, while we admired his hair, and didn't do it.
He created this blockchain. He allowed you to speak freely on it - and now you blame him for @justinsunsteemit's actions?
Perhaps you fear your new overlord, and @ned never drove you to fear, because he was trustworthy. Think about that.
Essentially what we could have asked about Justin Sun.
What part of what @justinsuntron did with his stake was your business?
I didn't support the softfork because it was hostile.
I think having a dialogue would have been the first thing we did.
I didn't support the SF either, because it was censorship.
ned got HIS money
You malign and mischaracterize @ned, who held the power to do this in his hands for years and never did it. But, given your propensity to deflect and divert attention to the motes in the eyes of others in order to conceal the log in your own, I am not surprised.
Bid botter.
wow, good job Justin, now you upvote the 3 posts that agree with you and downvote the 50 that call you for what you are, you really have no limits to how you ll abuse of your power. Congratulations for killing our chain.
Actually, this @ben account was created during the initial mining of Steem when it launched, which means, this is an old account, nothing to do with @justinsunsteemit. So uh, I would say somebody might be interested to see where Steem goes.
huh, maybe check steemd and you will see the ownership was changed at the same time as the other Ned's accounts...
Touche'
Again, are you stupid?
Looks like the witnesses are. Never start a war you can't win. Whats plan B, fork away and have zero exchanges list your coin? Good idea
I'm in. As long as it's decentralized. These exchanges have proven willing to defraud their customers. I'm happy to have learned that about them. I'll never, ever, use one of them for any reason, because they're thieves.
You do you. Good luck with your money rolling with theives.
From a witness which installed 22.2 this is rich. 🤓
I'M SO STUPID I DON'T EVEN TAKE OFFENSE AT OFFENSIVE REMARKS. Just rolling with the punches.
so belongs to steemit, hence belongs to justin.
It's Steemit controlled account. You don't seem to have any idea on what you're talking about.
Nope, I'm an idiot.
And I'm upset, so I wish you don't take this personally.
No worries. There'll be a lot of passion and fear and all kinds of crazy emotions flaring the next few days. :P
lol justinsun = steemit inc now
Likely a ned sock puppet.
I wont be surprised to find out he has 1000s, all staked up.
The ninja mine was in excess of of 80%, only public stinc accounts ever get counted.
The more @Ben votes the less influence he will have. Keep pissing him off.
It was never really ours. It was @neds. He just let us pretend it was ours.
At least it showed the extreme level of naivety that the 'collective' witnesses possess.
Not being one to say 'I told you so...'
but....lmao.
I feel you. Was a 'pretty wise move' thinking they could actually get away with it.
let me get your opinion on this:
should they have burned all the Neon Green stake immediately?
This means nothing to me, soz...link?
Neon Green was a designation of the particular premined stake owned by steemit inc.
aggroed made the classification in this post
https://steemit.com/witness/@aggroed/teach-the-controversy-softfork-0-22-2-stop-and-correct-potential-futures
ok cheers, that makes things a bit clearer.
I still don't know the answer to your question, though.
I think if the genuine intention was to decentralize, the system wouldn't have been set up like it was, in the first place.
Oligarchical, as opposed to representative, for example (not thought it through, so can't really expand too much, and on my first coffee).
This! This right here
How about
Steem only survived & brought in new users, because people built other projects on top of it (SteemMonsters, DTube, Dlive, etc.) I guess Justin truly thinks those are worthless, because many Witnesses built apps & projects themselves, Witnesses who he seems to consider malicious.
The biggest one, besides Steemit, has been Splinterlands/SteemMonsters, and that didn't use a single penny from any SPS or Steemit ninja-mined stake. Projects are great and they help us thrive, but without a community to use any projects, projects are worthless.
And among many good projects, lets not forget bid bods that made a lot of real users go away.
this
it wouldnt have stopped the counter-coup, but maybe it would have removed justin's motive for conducting it