Those threats are pretty bad form I have to say, saying you can make his rep zero. This guy is flagging because of disagreement but you are saying you will make it personal.
@americaurusrex there isn't a consensus here on "playing nice" etc. etc.
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I never said that I would flag him, and I haven't.
I was explaining a possible scenario if someone like me had actually taken offense. I don't offend that easily.
I think that the only time that I flagged somebody that offended me was when noganoo wrote a post with my name in the title, and his #1 tag was "Satanists."
... so unless you write a post calling me out as a Satanist, you probably won't receive a flag from me ... lol ...
I do not easily throw flags around. It is this poster who throws his flags around. I disagreed with his original comment too -- but I did not flag it -- because I don't think that flagging for disagreement is acceptable.
If I had the same way of thinking as he does, I would have gone ahead and flagged it though.
That's the great thing about using an implication, you can always say you didn't say it directly and it was hypothetical. But the intent is clear to any reader.
You have your flag standards and he has his. Really it's a mountain out of mole hill, did you check his account? He has barely 28 SP. So it's really just about manners.
I think you guys all made your points anyhow.
Do you know why this statement is false? I mean the whole "intent is clear to any reader"...because you wouldn't feel comfortable saying this to her if you thought it was true. You want to argue that? What if Bernie was an anti vaxxer? You know damn well he would have no problem flagging this guy, and then potentially flagging you for this comment. The message this sends to @canadian-coconut is that she should be more like him, then she would deal with less resistance, at least from those whose accounts she could nuke, because people would be afraid.
Either way I don't agree that it's 'clear that she's threatening anyone', considering how much time she took to explain her position to this guy. It's quite obvious that she is not into using her flags to make a point. Of course, as you say, it would be within her right to do that....which is why I find your entire argument with all of us here confusing. You want to make sure this new guy knows he can go ahead and flag whomever he wants, I was hoping to warn him off doing that before he does actually get his account tanked to zero. You also want to tell us that we shouldn't be saying what we're saying, seriously I am just confused by you. What is it that you believe exactly? Or are you just playing devil's advocate here?
Obviously he can flag to disagree, no one is standing behind him that's going to twist his arm back when he goes to click it. If your argument is that we don't have a right to feel that someone shouldn't, we can agree to disagree on that point. I've actually agreed with a lot of the flags bernie has given out in his time here, but I happen to disagree with them being used to express an opinion. I would feel that way even if I shared his opinion on whatever subject it was. That's my personal feelings. You're entitled to yours.
I don't know if it's my computer or steemit itself, but I don't get taken directly to people's comments anymore, I get taken to the beginning of the article and have to scroll through until I find the comment. Which is super annoying and the reason I'm not going to go to all of the comments you left me and why I chose to respond to this one.
edit: I also should add that she would not have even made that statement if he was just expressing himself throughout without flagging.
I completely agree with what you have said here.
THIS!!! I hate this. It's not just you, and I am glad, and sad, to find out it's not just me.
Stinc, fix this!!!!
I agree, it's pretty annoying that if the thread gets to deep then links don't work and you have to go to a separate page to view the comments, they should fix that.
I'm not sure why you're confused, I thought I was clear. My argument is not that you don't have the right to feel something, that absurd.
I simply wanted to back him up on his choice to use flags. I didn't want him to be mislead into thinking that it's not the way things are done here. Sure, many people don't like it, but you know why that is? Because new people keep coming here and "old hands" keep telling them not to use them, that there's a culture of using them with massive restraint, but there need not be.
I'm not playing devils advocate. My position is (1) use flags if you want and (2) be wary of people who tell you what to do. You do not represent a flag consensus.
Finally I'm willing to concede that my interpretation of the follow sentence as a threat may not have been the intention of the author.
It's hard to tell without human speech. But if I'm wrong it was a very poor choice of words because that interpretation, coupled with the other heavy handed speech (from you too, asking for flags to be removed, etc.) constitutes browbeating. Just because you couch it in more or less polite tones does not mask it.
Interpret it as you will.
I don't know how she could have more carefully expressed her point, which is quite true.
I suppose I can understand your getting his back, and I admire that of you, BTW, as you felt he was being browbeaten and threatened.
I think he ignored the voluminous evidence they provided - he simply brushed it aside - and used flags, which no one did to him. My own interjection wasn't a threat, but considering how being piled on by multiple voices might be intimidating in itself, I can concede how you might interpret that as browbeating.
I disagree with that interpretation, and took offense at his characterization of their concerns as dangers to the public. Plus, he was flagging, and I consider that rude, as well as foolish, given he flagged a whale, because downvotes on Steemit take money from the victims, rather than simply express opinion, like on Fakebook.
Sure, it was a bit of ganging up. Everyone took offense, it's a contentious topic with a lot at stake. You know where I stand on flagging, I think I've been clear. I'm glad you did interject, good to have another non-clique opinion.
Then you take responsibility when this guy or anyone new that you give this advice to, pisses off the wrong person with their flag and finds their account useless. And that's up to you.
As for myself, I will continue to tell people that it's a terrible way to make friends, that it's actually a great way to make enemies. If you don't think that people should use restraint when it comes to flags, then either you haven't been paying attention to what happens when people don't, or you enjoy the warzone. Flagging leads to more flagging and bad feelings on all sides. Maybe it shouldn't, but that's just the way it is.
We have different views on flagging. I see them as downvotes, which is consistent with how the appear on the blockchain. It's the fault of Steemit Inc. for showing them as flags in the UI many moons ago.
I totally get it that it's contentious, I've seen the so-called flag wars. Flagging only leads to more flagging when people are juvenile. But this guy is free to make his own mind up and listen to whomever he wishes, hopefully himself.
I appreciate you taking the time to debate this with me in this sometimes bristling exchange of opinion.
Haha! I appreciate you lightening it up. I think you're right though, I think long ago they should have made something separate for downvotes and flags.
I was trying to help him. It is obvious that he wasn't a threat to me, but I thought that he was a threat to himself and his brand-new Steemit account.
But you are right that it was not worth it to point it out to him. I wasted too much of my own time. I somehow have to better diagnose when people might actually appreciate my help. So many people can not accept constructive and helpful criticism.
Believe it or not, I even want to help people here on Steemit who do not agree with me on my favorite topics. I hate to see any account destroyed because of ignorance of the landscape here at Steemit. Steemit is not like Facebook, but new people don't always realize that.
Of course he was not a threat to you, but you proposed one to him.
Regardless, I do believe that you are acting in good faith for the most part, but that does not mean that I think you are correct. It was browbeating
I am just opposing that.
Commom many big accounts use the flag to remind people to play nice and many big accounts go around flagging post they disagree with.... that’s the Steemit reality