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RE: Putting a face to the dangers of vaccines

in #vaccines7 years ago

The CDC tests, distributes, and indemnifies vaccines from tort. This has entailed their continually increasing the pressure to coerce vaccination. Multipronged attacks on refuseniks couple excluding unvaccinated children from school, and taking children from their parents for not having them in school. They include covert vaccination, and ever more machiavellian techniques to compel compliance.

Now, in addition to using various coercive means of forcing vaccination, this includes actual imprisonment for refusal - and then vaccinating the child while the hapless parent is a captive.

"...SV40 contamination (which, by the way, is still harmless..."

Some studies show a causal relationship between SV40 and cancer. No matter how many times you say it doesn't, the evidence it does remains.

You haven't considered the 'poor logic, and poor science' regarding vaccines, or you'd address the injection of virus contaminated vaccines as a harm, the purposeful inclusion of metals, adjuvants, and agonists, which deliver doses to infants orders of magnitude beyond recommendations for adults, the nefarious politicizing and corruption of science by vested interests and government, blatant lies and propaganda, the increasing and despotic coercion of parents to submit to provably unnecessary and harmful vaccinations - such as vaccinating newborns for Hep B, a disease for which they aren't at risk whatsoever, and various other matters that impact the issue.

You actively twist the discussion away from any such facts, distort and misrepresent the views of those you oppose, and avoid citing actual studies and facts because research has been proven to be corrupted, invalidating the efficacy of that tactic.

Claims that injecting huge doses of aluminum, mercury, virii, and numerous other poisons and disease causing agents into children cause the various harms you hand wave away aren't fallacious, and it is your dismissal of those reprehensible practices as illusory that does most harm to concerned parents who desire above all else to protect their children from disease.

Don't want people to shun lying, tyrannical methods of vaccinating their children? Work to fix vaccines, and restore accountability to the medical establishment that increasingly represents a threat worse than plague to the children of the world.

Stop blaming the victims, and start preventing the harm they suffer.

Demand that Dr. John Comptom be subpoenaed before Congress to present his evidence that the CDC deliberately destroyed evidence that MMR causes autism.

Stuff like that.

Those aren't things you're doing, because you're not interested in making vaccines safe. You're working to make them more profitable for the pharmaceutical companies.

As long as you aren't interested in making them safe, we're gonna disagree.

Name one thing science has proved. You can name dozens science has disproved, because that's all that science is: disproving the false. Anything you claim science has proved just hasn't been disproved - yet.

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Changing what you're accusing the CDC of once I point out that you are attributing the wrong behavior to them is fine, but I think that kind of speaks to my point that much of the anti-vax community really doesn't know what it's doing.

I'm glad you can't send kids to school without up to date vaccinations. That's sound policy, not coercion. And if you think you're injecting cancer into your kid, you shouldn't care what the school thinks. The fact is, kids get immunizations in stages, and if you never got any, you can bring an illness into the school that will make a lot of kids very ill.

But still, the CDC isn't the one setting that standard. It is individual states and municipalities. Rant about them all you want, it does not change the fact that the polio vaccine is safe, and works.

SV40 in that old batch of polio vaccine hurts no one. Saying that it's poison over and over doesn't make it so.

There are studies that show the earth is flat. But they are old, and useless, and poorly done. The existence of those studies doesn't change the reality of the situation. So too with vaccines. I'm not going to declare the earth is flat just because I can dig up a study that say it's so. These things really do have to be taken in their totality.

I'm pretty bored with the "But look at the ingredients!" line of thinking. It showcases that the person speaking is just copying some anti-vax meme most of the time. Vaccine ingredients serve a purpose, work in tandem with each other, and are set in an appropriate therapeutic range. This argument is a lot like saying kids shouldn't drink water because so much water is found in cancer cells.

Vaccines are safe, man. Increased life spans, the near-elimination of certain diseases like polio, the increasingly rare occurrence of many other awful diseases, these things speak to that. Shouting the word mercury at me doesn't change these things.

I may think your reasoning is flawed, and the anti-vax premise wrong, irresponsible, but I haven't berated you for actively harming anyone.

I give my patients exceptional care, up to and including respecting their wishes when they shun a vaccine. Declaring that I'm in collusion with tyranny is just melodramatic, and takes away from your point. (Which gets more elusive each time you go on a tangent about how I'm some kind of diabolical obfuscator).

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