Great post and I guess you’ve proved that you either put up or shut up. Bravo for your actions. I’ve been watching what’s going on and adding my 2 pence in when I feel it necessary. As far as I know and this is how it’s always been sold is that Hive/Steem are/where immutable and sensorship free. Downvotes were solely for those gaming the system, plagiarism and copyright. Since Covid it’s been open warfare on those speaking out against “the science” but without any active debate, just downvoting. I’ll certainly take a look at my own witness votes with your post in mind. I have nothing against those who choose to be against free speech but I can’t stand by and vote for them as a witness while they are acting the way they are. So far I’ve only seen one of these major stakeholders giving any sensible justification for his actions. As for the rest I think their attitudes are way out of line. I hope this is a wake up call for them but I suspect it will only provoke their egos.
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Thanks and thanks! You have described the ethos that was present on Steem and for most people seems to still be on Hive - however, various 'inner circle' people decided that Hive has changed and that the 'new normal' involves unrelenting downvotes for whatever you feel like. Obviously this was not widely discussed or agreed upon. In fact, this is exactly the stance that @guiltyparties took before pointing me to the Hive whitepaper which actually has a section in which actually ommits the downvoting part of the consensus forming of rewards payouts (in a key section of the document). GP stated that he would have an urgent meeting with me to discuss the downvoting situation several weeks ago, but has been silent since then.
I would also like to point out that SILENCE is exactly the response from most of these characters, including @acidyo after I left a lengthy rebuttal to him recently. But hey, when you are king of the castle, you can do what the fuck you like right? I'm sure that never leads to any problems.. The plebs are just peasants. lol
Wow this comment has moved on. Nonetheless, this is the most interaction I’ve ever had from a post/comment but I get the feeling I wasn’t needed for it to happen 🤣
End of the day downvotes CAN be used for whatever someone wants them to be used for, but every action has a reaction, and that goes for everyone involved. I understand where acidyo is coming from and for me he’s by far not the main protagonist in this, he’s just the only one who’s been big enough to argue his point with some sensible reasoning and for that seems to be taking flak that is more deserving for others. On the other hand, to say that anyone’s content is worthless and brings no value is personal opinion and certainly not a good enough reason to downvote someone to nothing, and besides, if that were true and it was worthless content it wouldn’t need to be downvoted because it would get no upvotes in the first place. By downvoting for that reason and particularly to that extent, those who are doing it are proving the point that hive is not decentralised.
How have I been silent throughout this drama? I've been busy inviting new users to Hive this week so excuse me if I don't have time to reply to your walls about people complaining that they're getting less rewards for providing no value to Hive.
You have been the only one to actually engage and reply, which despite your propensity to resort to name calling and ad hominem attacks - is a step above pretty much everyone else.
I was referring to this comment when I tagged you here. I am getting tired of people publicly posturing that they are engaging while in truth they aren't - isn't that the exact behaviour that people get downvoted for by the guardians of the blockchain?
Well look at my wallet transactions, obviously I'm not done onboarding.
Yes I do downvote people who are just leeching rewards for content no one consumes, shocking I know. Enjoy centralizing witness votes.
I have no idea why you think this post is about centralising anything - the majority of witnesses that will be voted for here are lower rank ones who simply share the intent of decentralisation. Claiming that voting for people who support decentralisation is actually centralisation is completely disingenuous and misleading in the extreme. In reality, Blocktrades has massively more stake than I am able to direct here and he votes for you.. So I presume from your totally rational and well thought out comment above that you will be petitioning him to remove his vote from you in order to avoid centralising the witness votes? Awesome!
Many witness votes being concentrated in the decision making of a few = centralizing. Is it too hard to just tell people what to vote instead of making their decision for them? Didn't you guys learn anything from that korean proxy?
Blocktrades having 7 million HP is centralized and that stake being used to vote on witnesses is King Maker level of Centralizaton almost.
2000 people who total have 7 million HP is decentralized and direct Democracy when they all choose to vote.
I dont know how hundreds or thousands of people putting ura soul on proxy is centralizing, it's the definition of Democracy, People voting on something isnt a bad thing.
Blocktrades voting on witnesses is the same thing you are describing at an order of magnitude higher. So anything you are saying here applies to you to a larger scale.
Also, go ahead and fuck yourself for this. It doesn't take a long time to figure out what I do for this chain and the time I spend on anyone and everyone to enjoy their Hive experience and receive fair rewards. Just because you happened to be one of the cunts I disagreed of countering big downvotes on doesn't mean I treat other people the same way. 99.999% of them aren't told what I tell you and kennydipshit, lucylin and some other entitled overly loud assholes who want to keep earning on Hive at any cost. In the end it's all about that for you guys I suspect, most people know the effort I put in and have put in for Hive, it's inflation distribution and decentralization. If you can't take me calling you a cunt then feel free to call me things as well but if you're going to make it sound like I treat people the way I treat assholes, then I'm going to make it clear that that's not true and I'm sure I have plenty of people who'd back me up on that. Unfortunately most don't read your content.
You have come here numerous times and accused me of all kinds of fraud, lying and abusive behaviour - dropped acidic verbal attacks and claimed to know all about me without ever attempting to engage in anything approaching a friendly manner or even reading my posts (or actually knowing anything about me). This is not a healthy or even 'normal' way to relate to people, so I'm sure you can appreciate why I might be a bit annoyed by the situation. I only know a limited amount of information about you and I aim to not judge anyone, but I'm sure you can appreciate how what little I do know of you is pretty caustic.
This isn't 'all about the money', but it seems to make no difference how many times this is said as the alternative would shatter your narrative.
I don't see any value in judging people and throwing abusive names around - it serves no purpose other than to ineffectively attempt to process emotions within the one doing it. Like others here, I am more concerned by the effect that 'spicy' and abusive language has in the minds of onlookers than I am actually bothered by it personally. Free speech includes the right to throw around pointless abuse, but it doesn't negate having to deal with the effects caused by those actions.
The idea that you are loved for 'helping everyone receive fair rewards' is a bit big headed - surely you can see that right? Proof of brain is a consensus mechanism meant to reflect the combined views of potentially large groups of people. Regardless of your intentions or how positively you view yourself, please never forget that national dictators will tend to also tell everyone they are loved for looking after everyone.
I could not personally say what you are saying here without feeling I sound like a politician who is trying to sell others on him having them do as he says. I'm not trying to annoy you here, I'm just genuinely baffled how we can have such wildly different senses of self perception.
There really isn't any need for conflict and attempts to inflame here. I will just continue to operate in mine and others best interests, as I understand them, within the law of the code of Hive and continue to suggest changes that people can voluntarily go along with or not. You say you are doing the same in your own way - the outcome is what consensus decides.
I will only add that it would be nice if this could be done in a peaceful and respectful way.
So you say you know very little about me yet you say my self perception is wild? I'm not one to go around often saying what I do for Hive, it's quite obvious for people who are involved so it doesn't need mentioning. I felt the need for you to know in this situation since your view of me is obviously flawed because you see me as a mass downvoter and "censor" which you've many times stated but never mentioned how limited and seldom my downvotes appear and my focus mostly being on inactive "influencers" who are more fake than the content they produce.
I'm okay with your other comment and I doubt this will become anything big since your community is rather small compared to the stake being used towards it and I doubt it'll grow as there hasn't been much sign of it in the last few years so feel free to do what you want. I've made it clear by now the dangers of proxy'ing witness votes to people en masse but I don't think you'll get to the levels of the korean stakeholders.
Anyway, I tried to be peaceful in this comment even if you undermined my activity on Hive based on barely knowing anything about me before all this disagreement of reward era occurred I assume.
Sorry but I'm pretty sure I've read your posts early on and wasn't instantly aggressive, especially the one about the word censorship and how it may exist on Hive. If it got aggressive over time then it's probably cause of things you've said. Not my fault most of the content you guys produce gets so little engagement and possibly consumption that the thing that pops in my head is that the possibility of sockpuppeting to pretend to be spreading that stake around but in the end it going to the same few people exists and is highly likely. Social activity is something we focus on with our curation after years of bloggers just dumping content no one reads and getting autovotes/"friend" votes and not giving a shit about anything else and taking it for granted. It's also not something you can prove, obviously, that's probably what makes it something easy to accuse you of so I'm not really defending it being a great retort just in general disagreeing with your ways and adding vulgarity on top of it. I'm passionate about Hive, not to a point where I'd go against reason but if there's suspicion that people are acting against it for ulterior motives then it does trigger me quite a bit because I've seen most reactions to downvotes over the years and when it's not complete morons acting out it's not as easy to deal with it but in the end it's been proven that it's mostly about the rewards and not the things they suddenly come up with when the downvotes start happening.