I missed my energy, too. It drains out fast though when having to observe the embarrassment that is 'trending' platform politics. From day one here on Hive I've suggested providing this community with a forum/community/tag whatever specifically designed to cater to all these 'local world problems' where people can freely air their grievances but at the same time have that content automatically pulled from general 'trending'.
But I suppose it's more fun to create the illusion of being oppressed by pretending there's only a handful of good folks around here. No better way to promote a project and the people you like than making everyone and everything else look bad or somehow inferior/flawed. (sarcasm)
Was a good break though, yeah. Home for the holidays, I guess.
I'm not sure why you feel so entitled to shape the trending page only to your own whims. Isn't that exactly the attitude of entitlement that is justifying the downvoting sprees here? If people posting challenging content are 'entitled' when they are upset by constant and unreasonable downvoting, then surely people who want to remove all content that doesn't tick their own boxes are also entitled, no?
I'm simply saying give platform politics a proper home so the issues can be tackled more efficiently, all while not chasing away potential new customers or stealing the spotlight from all those hard working types consistently desperate for an actual audience and engagement. Has nothing to do with entitlement, but I'm not surprised even a little bit to see you personally and purposefully spin what I said, take it completely out of context, and attempt to make me look villainous or somehow working against your flow. Many people, yourself included, would seemingly prefer to create a drama fueled spectacle rather than simply getting down to brass tacks. What I'm talking about has literally nothing to do with content ranking. I'm not saying remove content at all. I'm saying put it in a proper home where the right eyes can see it, rather than mixing it in with general content. This isn't some zany concept pulled from the mind of an irrational madman. Do you see boardroom meetings on Youtube trending page? No. So does that mean they don't have problems? No. A simple tab right at the top of all frontends that leads to this internal style content that only makes sense to a few on the inside is fully transparent and the exact opposite of something like censorship. Plus the internal content is no longer pushing general content to the back burner, which would effectively lead to far fewer reasons for anyone to even want to downvote it. I'm not saying remove rewards from it either. Nothing like that at all. I simply feel taking a more professional stance would be far more beneficial and productive. Always have.
P.S. This content isn't 'challenging' so please stop acting like a hero and champion of the people. A few folks on your list of 'freedom fighters' have been loud and in support of completely dismantling the entire reward pool, taking it all away, from everyone. So I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. At least one was also big into selling votes for the longest time, and all that did was drive thousands of good, organic talent away, forever, in order to replace it all with one of the biggest disasters I've even seen in the history of content distribution online.
You have a very warped view of what is happening here, from my position - at least your views are not reflective of what I see at all. Firstly, 'my group' is not 'my group', it is just people who share a common interest. If you see a football fan being violent it would be wrong to then point to children in the crowd and say 'look, this group are violent' as if everyone who you can fit together into a category are the same or even vaguely similar. Seeking the truth in society is not a 'niche', it is simply what enquiring minds do. Enquiring minds do not always agree.
I had no intention to turn you into a villain, I am simply applying your own logic to yourself - something that is extremely valuable in self analysis and creative thinking.
I agree that large communities need to be structured so as to optimise content discovery and to maximise the value of people's time when they interact in them. Layer 2 communities are likely going to be the solution to most of these problems, as I have said many times. What you seemed to be suggesting was to keep trending all posts, except the specific categories that you personally think shouldn't be there. That is the opposite of empowering people through categorisation and intelligent content discovery.
I have never heard the term 'internal content' before, so I am not 100% sure what you mean by it, but the way you said it originally made it sounds like you were referring to information that you personally perceive to be not of interest to 'everyone' - but I would argue that that definition applies to pretty much all information except 'there's a giant meteor that's about to destroy the planet' level of information.
This content isn't 'challenging' so please stop acting like a hero and champion of the people.
The only reason I have ever been given for the downvoting is 'You don't know anything about science' from Pharesim, which considering no downvoter has ever even attempted to challenge the science I have shared publicly, leads me to conclude that the content is a challenge to some people's personal beliefs (aka challenging).
A few folks on your list of 'freedom fighters' have been loud and in support of completely dismantling the entire reward pool, taking it all away, from everyone.
I have only ever heard anyone advocating for moving rewards from layer 1 to layer 2, which makes a lot of sense. It is likely to happen organically over time anyway.
At least one was also big into selling votes for the longest time, and all that did was drive thousands of good, organic talent away, forever, in order to replace it all with one of the biggest disasters I've even seen in the history of content distribution online.
I have no idea who you are talking about here. I was on a crusade to stop bid bots for years. The main vote sellers I know of are today top 20 witnesses and I don't engage with them.
Actually, you misinterpreted my logic. And now it seems like you want to 'win' a conversation. I don't see how this is helping. Thanks for the downvote. I suppose I should freak out now?
The content isn't 'challenging' because one of the most common events on this platform is people speaking out against it or other members here. It's the small town mentality with neighbors gawking over the fence and gossiping at the gas station. Platform politics in general has always been one of the easiest ways to get attention around here. The most common post on chain is people talking about the platform in some way. To the outside, that has always made this platform appear to be your standard echo chamber and the content only appeals to this small group within. The localized internal platform gossip earning top dollar is a direct slap in the face to all those talented enough to create amazing content while earning very little and going unnoticed, then eventually leaving. The internal content for the most part does nothing to boost morale. It's not challenging. It's lazy, especially when it's all talk and no action, which is the most common result.
Plus yourself and a few others want to dismantle the reward pool, tuck everyone off in some barren wasteland to work for unproven second layer options, effectively deplatforming the glaring majority of talent and offering them no clear future.
As for the former vote sellers you're in support of, let me just say I'm glad that's all in the past and people changed their ways, for the better.
Blah. Take a chill pill and let these folks have their fun. I don't mind suggesting there should be an open forum to help tackle internal issues, professionally, then being shot down, called names, misconstrued, eventually silenced, downvoted, yadda yadda yadda, by the very people claiming that approach should be frowned upon. When one attempts to offer possible solutions to problems people latch onto in order to get attention and make money, it's only natural to get pushed aside because an actual solution puts them out of work. Go with the flow and see where it leads. (Hint: Nowhere)
Maybe you should quit the quit, and come back. A certain quirkness is lacking from Hive which only you provided. @dreemit is also back - she introduced us iirc. I wonder if holidays are a trend setter for comebacks. If so, hope you stay around.
I've been seriously considering bringing my brand of content back to this place for awhile, again, like I usually do once I return from being away. Is the timing right though? That I'm not sure of. I've always felt so out of place bringing entertainment here and mixing it in with all this Celebrity Witness fake reality show platform politicking hatred nonsense. While I was gone @dreemit left me a comment saying the place just isn't the same anymore. Could it be because doom and gloomers are doing nothing but doom and glooming? I don't even know anymore...
I don't think it will ever be the same as the magical beginnings of 2016/17, but it is definitely improved from a couple years ago. I came back around September and I've had fun connecting with old friends and making a few new ones. And it is definitely Way better than any other social platform out there.
Definitely worth giving a chance :) Good to see you!
Majority of my memories here are good. Plus I got a to write and illustrate a never ending novel of nothingness, which really helped get me through some tough times. Maybe I'll add to it. Creative freedom truly knows no bounds here and much of my work is a prime example of that, hence why I'm so baffled when I come across these posts...
I don't know man, I was part of the drama - not as a protagonist but definitely as a part of - for a while and now that I am just a spectator writing about my own thing, I found that the Hive experience still had a lot to offer for people like us. Sounds a little ignorance is bliss and Poncio Pialteish, but sometimes it is better to not engage in drama if one can do nothing about a situation in order to enjoy all the other things a place has to offer. I'm not saying to turn a blind eye, but to not engage in order to keep one's sanity. It'sAllSoTiring.jpg but still, the timing is never wrong, especially when you're appreciated around the block.
I've always had a blast enjoying the good side. Posts like this act like that's nonexistent. I'd be away and out of the loop completely, for a long time. Got everything settled on a new device, signed in...
The first post I clicked, out of curiosity, was a promoted post published by someone loosely tied to the group of consistent haters/doom and gloomers. I had been mentioned there for some reason. There were a lot of comments that turned out to be that individual talking to itself nonstop but in the post itself was my avatar, some bullshit about me and a link to an old post of mine where I was talking about how frustrating it is to come here, produce actual content, then be shit on and thrown under the bus by these hater types. So yeah, shit on and thrown under the bus first day back. Following the trail of breadcrumbs trying to figure out what all this drama is about after some time basically led me straight to this post, so here I am, bored.
Hi! Totally noticed I quit being on vacation again eh. Nothing gets past this one!
Good to see you, is what I'd say, if we all weren't so heavily censored here on the Hive thing, as they say, nowadays, for some strange reason.
Good to have you back. I hope you enjoyed your break :) I missed your energy (No sarcasm).
I missed my energy, too. It drains out fast though when having to observe the embarrassment that is 'trending' platform politics. From day one here on Hive I've suggested providing this community with a forum/community/tag whatever specifically designed to cater to all these 'local world problems' where people can freely air their grievances but at the same time have that content automatically pulled from general 'trending'.
But I suppose it's more fun to create the illusion of being oppressed by pretending there's only a handful of good folks around here. No better way to promote a project and the people you like than making everyone and everything else look bad or somehow inferior/flawed. (sarcasm)
Was a good break though, yeah. Home for the holidays, I guess.
I'm not sure why you feel so entitled to shape the trending page only to your own whims. Isn't that exactly the attitude of entitlement that is justifying the downvoting sprees here? If people posting challenging content are 'entitled' when they are upset by constant and unreasonable downvoting, then surely people who want to remove all content that doesn't tick their own boxes are also entitled, no?
I'm simply saying give platform politics a proper home so the issues can be tackled more efficiently, all while not chasing away potential new customers or stealing the spotlight from all those hard working types consistently desperate for an actual audience and engagement. Has nothing to do with entitlement, but I'm not surprised even a little bit to see you personally and purposefully spin what I said, take it completely out of context, and attempt to make me look villainous or somehow working against your flow. Many people, yourself included, would seemingly prefer to create a drama fueled spectacle rather than simply getting down to brass tacks. What I'm talking about has literally nothing to do with content ranking. I'm not saying remove content at all. I'm saying put it in a proper home where the right eyes can see it, rather than mixing it in with general content. This isn't some zany concept pulled from the mind of an irrational madman. Do you see boardroom meetings on Youtube trending page? No. So does that mean they don't have problems? No. A simple tab right at the top of all frontends that leads to this internal style content that only makes sense to a few on the inside is fully transparent and the exact opposite of something like censorship. Plus the internal content is no longer pushing general content to the back burner, which would effectively lead to far fewer reasons for anyone to even want to downvote it. I'm not saying remove rewards from it either. Nothing like that at all. I simply feel taking a more professional stance would be far more beneficial and productive. Always have.
P.S. This content isn't 'challenging' so please stop acting like a hero and champion of the people. A few folks on your list of 'freedom fighters' have been loud and in support of completely dismantling the entire reward pool, taking it all away, from everyone. So I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. At least one was also big into selling votes for the longest time, and all that did was drive thousands of good, organic talent away, forever, in order to replace it all with one of the biggest disasters I've even seen in the history of content distribution online.
You have a very warped view of what is happening here, from my position - at least your views are not reflective of what I see at all. Firstly, 'my group' is not 'my group', it is just people who share a common interest. If you see a football fan being violent it would be wrong to then point to children in the crowd and say 'look, this group are violent' as if everyone who you can fit together into a category are the same or even vaguely similar. Seeking the truth in society is not a 'niche', it is simply what enquiring minds do. Enquiring minds do not always agree.
I had no intention to turn you into a villain, I am simply applying your own logic to yourself - something that is extremely valuable in self analysis and creative thinking.
I agree that large communities need to be structured so as to optimise content discovery and to maximise the value of people's time when they interact in them. Layer 2 communities are likely going to be the solution to most of these problems, as I have said many times. What you seemed to be suggesting was to keep trending all posts, except the specific categories that you personally think shouldn't be there. That is the opposite of empowering people through categorisation and intelligent content discovery.
I have never heard the term 'internal content' before, so I am not 100% sure what you mean by it, but the way you said it originally made it sounds like you were referring to information that you personally perceive to be not of interest to 'everyone' - but I would argue that that definition applies to pretty much all information except 'there's a giant meteor that's about to destroy the planet' level of information.
The only reason I have ever been given for the downvoting is 'You don't know anything about science' from Pharesim, which considering no downvoter has ever even attempted to challenge the science I have shared publicly, leads me to conclude that the content is a challenge to some people's personal beliefs (aka challenging).
I have only ever heard anyone advocating for moving rewards from layer 1 to layer 2, which makes a lot of sense. It is likely to happen organically over time anyway.
I have no idea who you are talking about here. I was on a crusade to stop bid bots for years. The main vote sellers I know of are today top 20 witnesses and I don't engage with them.
Actually, you misinterpreted my logic. And now it seems like you want to 'win' a conversation. I don't see how this is helping. Thanks for the downvote. I suppose I should freak out now?
The content isn't 'challenging' because one of the most common events on this platform is people speaking out against it or other members here. It's the small town mentality with neighbors gawking over the fence and gossiping at the gas station. Platform politics in general has always been one of the easiest ways to get attention around here. The most common post on chain is people talking about the platform in some way. To the outside, that has always made this platform appear to be your standard echo chamber and the content only appeals to this small group within. The localized internal platform gossip earning top dollar is a direct slap in the face to all those talented enough to create amazing content while earning very little and going unnoticed, then eventually leaving. The internal content for the most part does nothing to boost morale. It's not challenging. It's lazy, especially when it's all talk and no action, which is the most common result.
Plus yourself and a few others want to dismantle the reward pool, tuck everyone off in some barren wasteland to work for unproven second layer options, effectively deplatforming the glaring majority of talent and offering them no clear future.
As for the former vote sellers you're in support of, let me just say I'm glad that's all in the past and people changed their ways, for the better.
Don't worry noname;
It won't be in trending for long. Please tolerate these folks a little bit...
Blah. Take a chill pill and let these folks have their fun. I don't mind suggesting there should be an open forum to help tackle internal issues, professionally, then being shot down, called names, misconstrued, eventually silenced, downvoted, yadda yadda yadda, by the very people claiming that approach should be frowned upon. When one attempts to offer possible solutions to problems people latch onto in order to get attention and make money, it's only natural to get pushed aside because an actual solution puts them out of work. Go with the flow and see where it leads. (Hint: Nowhere)
Keyword: Nowhere!
and yes, and agree. I have all the time in the world. This is nothing new. :)
Maybe you should quit the quit, and come back. A certain quirkness is lacking from Hive which only you provided. @dreemit is also back - she introduced us iirc. I wonder if holidays are a trend setter for comebacks. If so, hope you stay around.
I've been seriously considering bringing my brand of content back to this place for awhile, again, like I usually do once I return from being away. Is the timing right though? That I'm not sure of. I've always felt so out of place bringing entertainment here and mixing it in with all this Celebrity Witness fake reality show platform politicking hatred nonsense. While I was gone @dreemit left me a comment saying the place just isn't the same anymore. Could it be because doom and gloomers are doing nothing but doom and glooming? I don't even know anymore...
I don't think it will ever be the same as the magical beginnings of 2016/17, but it is definitely improved from a couple years ago. I came back around September and I've had fun connecting with old friends and making a few new ones. And it is definitely Way better than any other social platform out there.
Definitely worth giving a chance :) Good to see you!
Majority of my memories here are good. Plus I got a to write and illustrate a never ending novel of nothingness, which really helped get me through some tough times. Maybe I'll add to it. Creative freedom truly knows no bounds here and much of my work is a prime example of that, hence why I'm so baffled when I come across these posts...
Whatever.
I don't know man, I was part of the drama - not as a protagonist but definitely as a part of - for a while and now that I am just a spectator writing about my own thing, I found that the Hive experience still had a lot to offer for people like us. Sounds a little ignorance is bliss and Poncio Pialteish, but sometimes it is better to not engage in drama if one can do nothing about a situation in order to enjoy all the other things a place has to offer. I'm not saying to turn a blind eye, but to not engage in order to keep one's sanity. It'sAllSoTiring.jpg but still, the timing is never wrong, especially when you're appreciated around the block.
I've always had a blast enjoying the good side. Posts like this act like that's nonexistent. I'd be away and out of the loop completely, for a long time. Got everything settled on a new device, signed in...
The first post I clicked, out of curiosity, was a promoted post published by someone loosely tied to the group of consistent haters/doom and gloomers. I had been mentioned there for some reason. There were a lot of comments that turned out to be that individual talking to itself nonstop but in the post itself was my avatar, some bullshit about me and a link to an old post of mine where I was talking about how frustrating it is to come here, produce actual content, then be shit on and thrown under the bus by these hater types. So yeah, shit on and thrown under the bus first day back. Following the trail of breadcrumbs trying to figure out what all this drama is about after some time basically led me straight to this post, so here I am, bored.
Oh yeah, I avoid any doom and gloom which might be why I have a more positive outlook than I did lol