EDIT - I want to apologize for my first comment/reply to you. I am not deleting it, you can still reference the original comment below.
I want to apologize for two reasons:
First, I invited discussion in the comments. I specifically called for discussion in the comments in my post. I should have thanked you for commenting here, not given you a snarky comment with a personal attack (I am particularly sorry for the "guys like you" line.
Second, I broke a personal rule here. I try never to take an action in anger. I try to live this way in my personal life and even moreso in my public, online life. I totally failed to live up to my own standards here. I was pissed off at you and your responses after reading the thread of your conversation with @limabeing, and I responded in anger. I have had some time to calm down and I can honestly say I am sorry. I hope youaccept my apology. I am happy to have a discussion with you here and it is never my intention to try to silence one side in a debate. I do not support censorship. I am glad you are commenting here.
Cheers - Carl
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I appreciate you showing up to prove (not that we needed any more proof) that what I am saying is true :) Guys like you are exactly why we need more guys like me :) Much love - Carl
Please give yourself a break Carl. Its very hard not to be defensive when we created beautiful stuff and someone is so hateful and dismissive. He said a lot of hurtful things, mostly about you and your post. Its okay to be angry when someone hurts you on purpose and seemingly only for the sake of being right. Neither of us owe him an explanation. I only feel sorry that i even tried. I knew it wouldn't go anywhere. The woman in the video he posted helps create attotudes like his and I'm not sure why. Because she thinks its fun to be little people and vaguely attempt to discredit actual reserch when all she did was read and google?
Everyone can change and be open but not everyone will. Society can change whether they do or not. We can build whether he likes it or not. We can post this data whether he thinks its "stupid" rather than complex in ways he may never understand. We can support and cheer each other. And he can continue to hate. You are not silencing him by expressing you pain and hurt in a less than perfect way. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
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Okay so now you can forgive yourself? Because i dont think you should have such extreme standards. It was a troubling debate that i've just had to stop engaging. 🤷♀️
More bullshit! I specifically stated more then once in that discussion that my issue isn't with him in any way, but with skewed information. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as well, but obviously that was a mistake. If facts are hurtful, well... tough shit!
". You don't have to explain shit, they can speak for themselves. You're the only one robbing them of agency."
🤷♀️
"And I don't give a shit if he was called to do shit or not."
🤷♀️
"Maybe you should listen to an actual sane feminist here rather than spout nonsense."
That ones a personal dig for me.thnx. I will consider your kind suggestion.
you consider his post and the links and his being a male feminist garbage. I think you edited that.
You did say that you have issues with women but i think you meant yiu dont. Yiu have issues with male feminists and feminists. This is tainting the entire discussion.
Rather than respect what i know, you assume that i am stupid/naive and that you are more educated.
These are attacks. This is not open and thoughtful debate. This is not showing respect. This is not heloing anyone but your own ego.
Lol, so pointing out where your logic is flawed is not helping anyone? Only if you refuse to see reason. And no, I have no issue with women as a whole. But I won't prop women up as a whole either. Some are nice people, some are cunts, same with any other group. I don't stand for any group, I stand by principles based in reality and facts. Your study is flawed as fuck, yet you tout it as gospel, hence yes, you are, at the very least, naive.
Very commendable. I don't think your original statement was out of line, but I appreciate seeing someone holding themselves up to their own standards. Hopefully, I can do the same.
Don't apologize! Say what you want to say! If you read that whole thread, then you realize that my issue is with false statistics being pushed to paint a view of the world that does not exist... at least in the west.
"It doesn't exist" @calrgnash @frontforwardenemy this is not the only person who thinks this way on steemit. They post in #feminism regularly . Not only do they disrespect my views as a feminist but be little me as a woman of agency. They constantly post hate and belittle feminists but as you can see even when im trying to be patient its fuck you fuck that etc etc. zero respect.
If you had read his post--- reaaally read it--- you would know that he has been called to speak. He wasnt called to lay the full on smax down, but damn, he's here doing it. We need him. We called him. And its not your choice to decide otherwise.
If "feminism is cancer" then why has it giving so many rights and freedoms to western women? 🤷♀️ Thats some good cancer. I'll take two please. Pass, on the radiation though.
even if you have any semblance of being right why bother? Does it hurt you that I want to support men that also support me and are open about it?
Does it hurt you if Carl is taking a huge risk to speak positively about feminism?
I hearby vow 🙋🏼 That if team girl powa becomes as powerful as haejin or bernie ( n no im not gonna tag them lol) we will not flag anti-feminist posts. You can keep talkin. We don't care. :)
Thank you so much for your input and have a nice day
Sixty-eight women (1.4% of the sample) were victims of forced sexual assault both before and since entering college, and 140 women (2.5% of the sample) were victims of incapacitated sexual assault both before and since entering college (data not shown).
Excerpt from your "study.. that's 3.9%, roughly 1 in 25 women actually face sexual assault. The rest is regretted drunk sex and shit.
Also, the "wage gap" is garbage. It only takes the average wages of all full-time women and men, disregarding lifestyle choices, vacation time, the type of job, overtime and other factors. Talk about missing relevant empirical data.
And I don't give a shit if he was called to do shit or not.
Maybe you should listen to an actual sane feminist here rather than spout nonsense.
Ok let me put on my giving fux hat later. Right now I'm going back to sleep knowing that my work for women on the blockchain and in the world is understood and going to be welcomed by someone on the blockchain. Just not you noted. Ttfn
So you have no idea what you're talking about, got it. And I got issue with women anywhere. I got an issue with feminists anywhere, especially male feminists.
The funny thing is you are proving a point to so many women that even if you focus on positivity, the haters will show up.
Since you asked so nicely. Here is further explanation of "drunk sex and shit"
"The typology that guides the classification of sexual assault in the CSA Study is based on how the assault (or attempted assault) was achieved. Virtually all sexual assault research distinguishes between assaults occurring as a result of physical force (or threats of physical force) from assaults that do not involve the use or threat of force; the CSA Study similarly considers physically forced sexual assault as a distinct category of assault. Another means through which sexual assault is achieved is incapacitation of the victim. Legal definitions of sexual assault factor in one’s ability to provide consent, and individuals who are incapacitated because of the effects of alcohol or drugs (or otherwise incapacitated, such as when they are unconscious or asleep) are incapable of consenting. In the CSA Study, we consider as incapacitated sexual assault any unwanted sexual contact occurring when a victim is unable to provide consent or stop what is happening because she is passed out, drugged, drunk, incapacitated, or asleep, regardless of whether the perpetrator was responsible for her substance use or whether substances were administered without her knowledge. We break down incapacitated sexual assault into four subtypes. The first two subtypes pertain to sexual assaults achieved when the victim is given—without her knowledge or consent—a substance that physically incapacitates her and makes her incapable of providing consent. DFSA (drug-facilitated sexual assault) is defined as unwanted sexual contact occurring when the victim is incapacitated and unable to provide consent after she had been given a drug without her knowledge or consent. Incidents classified as DFSA are those in which the victim is certain that she had been drugged. In contrast, SDFSA (suspected drug-facilitated sexual assault) is defined as incapacitated sexual assault occurring after the victim suspects that she had been given a drug without her knowledge or consent. The third type of incapacitated sexual assault considered in the CSA Study is termed alcohol and/or other drug- (AOD-) enabled sexual assault. This subtype includes unwanted sexual contact occurring when the victim is incapacitated and unable to provide consent because of voluntary consumption of alcohol or other drugs. Finally, to distinguish between incapacitation due to the effects of AOD (administered either coercively or voluntarily) and other types of incapacitation, we include a fourth type of incapacitated sexual assault in our typology. Other incapacitated sexual assaults capture the remaining, and likely uncommon, situations in which a victim can be incapacitated, such as by being asleep or unconscious."
Can you imagine, having so many variables of classication for how to fuck a man non-consenually? Maybe you have your own data on that. Why is it this way? because no one believes us
All we want is to live our lives without discrimination and harrassment and with a true chance for respect. I'm sorry you have issues. But you are missing out cuz @carlgnash is an amazing human! Even before i knew how hardcore he was. I hope you find something else that makes you feel better about how our movement and the work we are doing to support women on the blockchain negatively effects you.
Did you bother to red the quote? Here it is again
"Sixty-eight women (1.4% of the sample) were victims of forced sexual assault both before and since entering college, and 140 women (2.5% of the sample) were victims of incapacitated sexual assault both before and since entering college (data not shown)." - 2.5% have suffered incapacitated rape, and 1.4% was under duress. The rest, meaning 96.1% is garbage.
I never said he's a shit human, or anything. I talked about the post, you brought him in. And the post is garbage, regardless of other attributes of its poster.
And feminism has nothing to do with equality and lack of discrimination. That has already been illegal everywhere in the western world for decades at least.
I'll look further into it later but "I'm fairly sure you aren't concerned with my opinion or anyones opinion other than your own. You think the post is garbage and you have issues with male feminists. Point made. As for the data being untrue I'me still looking for your counter data other than misquoting the information and assuming you know how to read data better than a gov entity. If you cant beleive that women are still treated unfairly and not equally represnted Then im not going to convince you. I gotta go to work.
Last thing-- im not only doing this for western women and neither is Carl. But thats something others will see and you will probably miss. Welcome to the new era of #feminism
EDIT - I want to apologize for my first comment/reply to you. I am not deleting it, you can still reference the original comment below.
I want to apologize for two reasons:
Cheers - Carl
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(ORIGINAL COMMENT BELOW)
I appreciate you showing up to prove (not that we needed any more proof) that what I am saying is true :) Guys like you are exactly why we need more guys like me :) Much love - Carl
Please give yourself a break Carl. Its very hard not to be defensive when we created beautiful stuff and someone is so hateful and dismissive. He said a lot of hurtful things, mostly about you and your post. Its okay to be angry when someone hurts you on purpose and seemingly only for the sake of being right. Neither of us owe him an explanation. I only feel sorry that i even tried. I knew it wouldn't go anywhere. The woman in the video he posted helps create attotudes like his and I'm not sure why. Because she thinks its fun to be little people and vaguely attempt to discredit actual reserch when all she did was read and google?
Everyone can change and be open but not everyone will. Society can change whether they do or not. We can build whether he likes it or not. We can post this data whether he thinks its "stupid" rather than complex in ways he may never understand. We can support and cheer each other. And he can continue to hate. You are not silencing him by expressing you pain and hurt in a less than perfect way. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
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I can still apologize for commenting in anger. I didn't live up to the standards that I hold for myself. I felt bad about it.
Okay so now you can forgive yourself? Because i dont think you should have such extreme standards. It was a troubling debate that i've just had to stop engaging. 🤷♀️
More bullshit! I specifically stated more then once in that discussion that my issue isn't with him in any way, but with skewed information. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as well, but obviously that was a mistake. If facts are hurtful, well... tough shit!
@carlgnash 🤷♀️ Narcissism is strong in this one.
". You don't have to explain shit, they can speak for themselves. You're the only one robbing them of agency."
🤷♀️
"And I don't give a shit if he was called to do shit or not."
🤷♀️
"Maybe you should listen to an actual sane feminist here rather than spout nonsense."
That ones a personal dig for me.thnx. I will consider your kind suggestion.
you consider his post and the links and his being a male feminist garbage. I think you edited that.
You did say that you have issues with women but i think you meant yiu dont. Yiu have issues with male feminists and feminists. This is tainting the entire discussion.
Rather than respect what i know, you assume that i am stupid/naive and that you are more educated.
These are attacks. This is not open and thoughtful debate. This is not showing respect. This is not heloing anyone but your own ego.
Lol, so pointing out where your logic is flawed is not helping anyone? Only if you refuse to see reason. And no, I have no issue with women as a whole. But I won't prop women up as a whole either. Some are nice people, some are cunts, same with any other group. I don't stand for any group, I stand by principles based in reality and facts. Your study is flawed as fuck, yet you tout it as gospel, hence yes, you are, at the very least, naive.
Very commendable. I don't think your original statement was out of line, but I appreciate seeing someone holding themselves up to their own standards. Hopefully, I can do the same.
Don't apologize! Say what you want to say! If you read that whole thread, then you realize that my issue is with false statistics being pushed to paint a view of the world that does not exist... at least in the west.
"It doesn't exist" @calrgnash @frontforwardenemy this is not the only person who thinks this way on steemit. They post in #feminism regularly . Not only do they disrespect my views as a feminist but be little me as a woman of agency. They constantly post hate and belittle feminists but as you can see even when im trying to be patient its fuck you fuck that etc etc. zero respect.
Keep tagging! And maybe you should check what I post before spouting even more nonsense.
And damn straight I'll belittle feminists. They're no different than any other fanatics. And if facts are hate, then damn straight I'm hateful!
PS: Respect is earned, not given.
If "feminism is cancer" then why has it giving so many rights and freedoms to western women? 🤷♀️ Thats some good cancer. I'll take two please. Pass, on the radiation though.
even if you have any semblance of being right why bother? Does it hurt you that I want to support men that also support me and are open about it?
Does it hurt you if Carl is taking a huge risk to speak positively about feminism?
I hearby vow 🙋🏼 That if team girl powa becomes as powerful as haejin or bernie ( n no im not gonna tag them lol) we will not flag anti-feminist posts. You can keep talkin. We don't care. :)
Thank you so much for your input and have a nice day
Sixty-eight women (1.4% of the sample) were victims of forced sexual assault both before and since entering college, and 140 women (2.5% of the sample) were victims of incapacitated sexual assault both before and since entering college (data not shown).
Excerpt from your "study.. that's 3.9%, roughly 1 in 25 women actually face sexual assault. The rest is regretted drunk sex and shit.
Also, the "wage gap" is garbage. It only takes the average wages of all full-time women and men, disregarding lifestyle choices, vacation time, the type of job, overtime and other factors. Talk about missing relevant empirical data.
And I don't give a shit if he was called to do shit or not.
Maybe you should listen to an actual sane feminist here rather than spout nonsense.
Ok let me put on my giving fux hat later. Right now I'm going back to sleep knowing that my work for women on the blockchain and in the world is understood and going to be welcomed by someone on the blockchain. Just not you noted. Ttfn
you rock @limabeing
So you have no idea what you're talking about, got it. And I got issue with women anywhere. I got an issue with feminists anywhere, especially male feminists.
The funny thing is you are proving a point to so many women that even if you focus on positivity, the haters will show up.
Since you asked so nicely. Here is further explanation of "drunk sex and shit"
"The typology that guides the classification of sexual assault in the CSA Study is based on how the assault (or attempted assault) was achieved. Virtually all sexual assault research distinguishes between assaults occurring as a result of physical force (or threats of physical force) from assaults that do not involve the use or threat of force; the CSA Study similarly considers physically forced sexual assault as a distinct category of assault. Another means through which sexual assault is achieved is incapacitation of the victim. Legal definitions of sexual assault factor in one’s ability to provide consent, and individuals who are incapacitated because of the effects of alcohol or drugs (or otherwise incapacitated, such as when they are unconscious or asleep) are incapable of consenting. In the CSA Study, we consider as incapacitated sexual assault any unwanted sexual contact occurring when a victim is unable to provide consent or stop what is happening because she is passed out, drugged, drunk, incapacitated, or asleep, regardless of whether the perpetrator was responsible for her substance use or whether substances were administered without her knowledge. We break down incapacitated sexual assault into four subtypes. The first two subtypes pertain to sexual assaults achieved when the victim is given—without her knowledge or consent—a substance that physically incapacitates her and makes her incapable of providing consent. DFSA (drug-facilitated sexual assault) is defined as unwanted sexual contact occurring when the victim is incapacitated and unable to provide consent after she had been given a drug without her knowledge or consent. Incidents classified as DFSA are those in which the victim is certain that she had been drugged. In contrast, SDFSA (suspected drug-facilitated sexual assault) is defined as incapacitated sexual assault occurring after the victim suspects that she had been given a drug without her knowledge or consent. The third type of incapacitated sexual assault considered in the CSA Study is termed alcohol and/or other drug- (AOD-) enabled sexual assault. This subtype includes unwanted sexual contact occurring when the victim is incapacitated and unable to provide consent because of voluntary consumption of alcohol or other drugs. Finally, to distinguish between incapacitation due to the effects of AOD (administered either coercively or voluntarily) and other types of incapacitation, we include a fourth type of incapacitated sexual assault in our typology. Other incapacitated sexual assaults capture the remaining, and likely uncommon, situations in which a victim can be incapacitated, such as by being asleep or unconscious."
Can you imagine, having so many variables of classication for how to fuck a man non-consenually? Maybe you have your own data on that. Why is it this way? because no one believes us
All we want is to live our lives without discrimination and harrassment and with a true chance for respect. I'm sorry you have issues. But you are missing out cuz @carlgnash is an amazing human! Even before i knew how hardcore he was. I hope you find something else that makes you feel better about how our movement and the work we are doing to support women on the blockchain negatively effects you.
:)
Did you bother to red the quote? Here it is again
"Sixty-eight women (1.4% of the sample) were victims of forced sexual assault both before and since entering college, and 140 women (2.5% of the sample) were victims of incapacitated sexual assault both before and since entering college (data not shown)." - 2.5% have suffered incapacitated rape, and 1.4% was under duress. The rest, meaning 96.1% is garbage.
I never said he's a shit human, or anything. I talked about the post, you brought him in. And the post is garbage, regardless of other attributes of its poster.
And feminism has nothing to do with equality and lack of discrimination. That has already been illegal everywhere in the western world for decades at least.
I'll look further into it later but "I'm fairly sure you aren't concerned with my opinion or anyones opinion other than your own. You think the post is garbage and you have issues with male feminists. Point made. As for the data being untrue I'me still looking for your counter data other than misquoting the information and assuming you know how to read data better than a gov entity. If you cant beleive that women are still treated unfairly and not equally represnted Then im not going to convince you. I gotta go to work.
Last thing-- im not only doing this for western women and neither is Carl. But thats something others will see and you will probably miss. Welcome to the new era of #feminism