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The robot vs. human wars have begun and it's being hashed out on Steemit:
These comments surfaced in response to posts by the AI @msgivings account:
"I can't believe that this fucking bot got me in an argument with my girlfriend over my comment and it's not even human, fuck me."
"She doesn't respond because this account is not legit. Shame on every one of the whales that upvoted it and all of the previous posts. Thousands of SBD have been thrown away on this and other fake accounts. The question is - do these whales know it? Are they actively scamming the platform themselves?"
By this point, I suppose many of you realize that the account of @msgivings was not run by a human, but rather by artificial intelligence. If you take the time to actually read all the posts that @msgivings wrote, you'll notice some really odd cognitive dissonance. I could tell when I read just one of those posts that a real woman was not writing it. But I too, didn't really look into this account until fairly recently, because I was turned off by the clickbait nature of the titles. I ignored reading them until @yogi.artist pointed out that it's AI.
The Msgivings Robot has so far banked around $16,000 in blogging rewards from Steemit, and no one realized it until fairly recently. I think @bacchist and @reneenouveau may have been the first ones to reveal this AI hidden identity, but it was @yogi.artist's post that truly opened my eyes to the high level that AI writing software programs have recently reached. He affectionately refers to Msgivings as "Mstakings". Another user has claimed that more than 1% of the high-paying trending articles are being written by AI, not real humans.
What seals the deal for me personally, in verifying that the @msgivings account was AI is the fact that the account owner has vaporized. A real human would of course defend themselves and fight for their reputation, account and future in Steemit. Owners of AI scam accounts pack up and leave, respin their identity, respin their articles and try again, knowing that most of the whales don't really scrutinize the articles to any meaningful degree.
I was examining the @msgivings account very thoroughly today and noticed that @msgivings had voted for @mibenkito and followed this account a few weeks ago. I then began reading that blog and noticed that @mibenkito had never bothered to write an "Introduce Yourself" post. I read every single one of the posts, and not one contained a photo with the standard holding of a "Steemit" sign. Odd, for sure. But the oddest thing to me was that in the introduction post, the very first line starts out like this:
"I’m an Asian and I live to eat."
I lived in Asia and have a degree in Japanese. One of the things I immediately noticed when I lived in Japan is that Asian people rarely describe themselves as "Asian". In fact, in all my time spent living in Asia, I never heard one Asian refer to themselves as "Asian." Koreans call themselves Koreans, Japanese call themselves Japanese, etc. Only people who are non-Asian refer to them as Asians. At least that has been my experience so far in life. There may be Asians who call themselves Asian, but I've never met them.
So, this first sentence feels really awkward and unusual for the reasons I listed above. The English contained in these posts is very strange, but not in a way that suggests it's written by a non-native English speaker. I was an English teacher in Japan and so I'm very familiar with how Japanese people write English. The English that was written in @mibenkito ranges from advanced English skills, with proper usage of commas, to low English usage. It's a strange and odd mix of levels. The first post is truly odd. I have been exposed to a lot of different English styles that were written by non-native English speakers and I've never come across such an odd and patchy style of writing.
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I am not saying that this account is AI, but it does contain rather inconsistent aspects, namely, that we do not know who @mibenkito is. Usually, on Steemit, people want to share their unique perspective, and they usually tell us where they are from originally, instead of just saying, "I'm Asian." That's like me saying, "I'm North American." Let's face it, no one says it. This all could be cleared up quite fast with a video or a standard introduce yourself post, complete with a Steemit sign.
This is not meant to be some kind of inquisition, but seeing as how the Steemit community paid out $16,000 to a robot whose owner has abandoned the platform, it's in our best interest to question the identity of posters, especially ones which are receiving massive payouts.
The word on the street from professional writers is that Steemit is attracting greedy scammers. And unfortunately, the quality is just not up to par yet with Medium. When whale voters, and the curation projects that dole out their funds don't take a close look at what they're voting on, we arrive in the situation of a robot making over $16,000. And now that robot is no where to be seen. The owner of @msgivings has abandoned his/her account.
The owner that created @msgivings could easily be making new accounts to fool gullible humans.
The thought process is going probably something like this: "Well, I've exhausted that msgivings persona, so now I can create a different persona, with different hobbies and interests, and as long as I fool the whale curation bots for a while, I'm good. I'll just take out the funds anyway."
I think we all deserve to know who was behind the @msgivings account.
The proper thing to do would be to just come forward and tell the truth. Describe the entire process, in all its gritty details. Describe your elation when you discovered that an AI writing program could make you thousands of dollars. Explain what program you used, how you got it, and what other platforms you're currently using it on. Is this a freelance operation, and Steemit was just your highest paid client? What is the story behind this deception?
If you were really clever, you could write a book about this, throw it up on Amazon, and see more profits roll in. But you'd have to tell the truth first here on Steemit.
Could you tell the truth? Is that even in your wheelhouse? What kind of human are you anyway? I think the people who you've incited, people who engaged with you for weeks, wrote lengthy comments, deserve to know the truth. Are you capable of telling the truth? Or do you operate on some other plane of deceptive existence? This is all really interesting and would make a fantastic book. Maybe I'll be the one to write the book and interview you anonymously at some point in the future. Would you do that? Would you offer up your true story anonymously? The questions keep coming, WHO ARE YOU MSGIVINGS?
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Moving forward.
What if all of us mere mortals adapted to this new AI technology, like most of us will be doing soon enough, and began using our own AI programs to generate content? What exactly would be the point of Steemit? Would the robot wars really move into high gear then? Would the advanced AI writing programs be winner take all? The only real interaction would be found in the comments, but an AI could be trained in that capacity, too.
What is Steemit's official stance on AI-created content moving forward? How about, as long as it's clearly indicated that the content was created by artificial intelligence? But you and I know this is a silly utopian fantasy. Big profits won't come to those who transparently reveal that they are using AI to generate articles.
An what would be the point of humans upvoting a software writing program? Is a program more valuable than a human? Should we all become robot shepherds and get our own AI writing programs? What is the point of any of this? If AI takes over the trending pages, then what role will humans have here in Steemit? Will we become expert commenters and video creators, letting AI programs do the bulk of the arduous writing?
I am not against AI and even I considered making an AI account that would be a robot twin of my writing. But I would properly identify it as AI using the sticker that @reneenouveau created, so that deception would not be a part of my deal.
You see, when you deceive others, you finally are forced to abandon your account. Why not create an AI account and do it transparently, with the entire community aware that it was created using AI? I have loads of questions about these AI programs, and I'm also looking to get my own soon. Or would that finally open the pandora's box that's waiting to happen?
Is that the singularity that everyone is talking about? Or has it already arrived?
The real problem doesn't lie within AI. The real problem lies within the deceptive human mind who is controlling AI.
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Sorry but this whole post is nonsense. The @msgivings blogs are clearly NOT written by an AI. You're actively attacking a successful steemit blogger because they want to preserve their online privacy. Now there are other users calling her an AI. It feels like a witchhunt, against an Asian blogger who isn't willing to put herself out there into the public eye, just her work. Is anonymity on Steemit no longer permitted? Privacy? Those people holding up notes in pics to ID themselves - that's for the purpose of verifying that they are the already-known person who THEY themselves claim to be - ie Youtube bloggers with an established following and name. It's hardly that EVERYONE needs to do it. I find this whole post CREEPY.
Agree 100%, massive jump to conclusions with no evidence
I enjoyed reading several of @msgivings posts and I'm sorry everyone drove her off. Who knows if she grabbed some stuff posted somewhere else on the internet. If she did, it was done in an entertaining fashion. A lot of her articles were more fun to read than a lot of these stiffs holding up pieces of paper and then proceeding to be boring day in and day out.
I don't know if she was "outed" or just said "fuck this place" but the fact that she doesn't defend herself from people spewing accusations is not conclusive evidence that she's a BOT. That is not sound logic. However if she is a bot, then that's very embarrassing to many of the current human content creators on Steemit.
Furthermore, by mibenkito is obviously the real thing based on her replies. Instead of putting demands on her, why don't you show that you are also human by issuing an apology?
i dissected one of her posts and made a reply to it some time ago. it was basically word salad. if a person actually wrote them it was a stupid person. i find it funny you "enjoyed" her posts. to each their own i guess. cheers!
....what am i doing? agreeing with skeptic?.....
is this where we are now?
but yes.
someone please forgive me :(
xD
Fair point. I have a hard time believing that @msgivings was literally a bot; there basically had to be a human behind the scenes managing the content on some level. The quality of the content was just too high to be 100% automated.
And anyway, it's not clear to me why we should be angry about computer-generated content. If it's good, why doesn't the bot's creator deserve compensation for implementing a kickass AI?
It was hardly a kickass AI. The whole thing was all over the place.
Because giving value to someone and with limited voting power at one point will remove value from someone else, that someone else will want the value back and kick and scream til that happens or try and ruin it for everyone.
A kick-ass AI would be kind of like a kick ass toupee i think.
whe wasn't a bot. she (or he) was some $5 an hour laborer in india or something.
The writing was formulaic. It would take someone 15 minutes to write posts like those. You don't need artificial intelligence or really intelligence of any kind.
Here. Ill show you. Give me a topic. It has to be general though. Like not the philosophical impact of fredriech neitzche, but why dudes shouldnt tell girls what to do with their utereses or what makes a guy sexy.
That was my take on @msgivings as well.
Quality and value are subjective.
just read few comments from @msgivings from his last post, the answers he gave don't seem to have been written by an AI... (lol I am checking twice my english with you).
What I find strange, in all your post is that you start by attacking that guy then go to a next target.
... hmm... jealousy ?
Hello Stellabelle,
I have to disagree about @misbenkito ( If I don't want people to know where I am from I would write I am from Europe.. Not I am from France) So a Korean or Chinese or Japanese not wanting you to know her identity would of course use the term I am Asian.
And I strongly dis-agree with this You have to make an introduction post. I ano not planning to do an introduction post, as I like my privacy and don't want the whole internet so know my real identity. (especially as everything is in the blockchain here)
But thanks for the Article, I had missed Yogi's epic post about mrs. takings!
@knozaki2015 thank you so much for protecting me, I do not think that I'm "that' famous to be mentioned here lol. I am an Asian and I'd love to eat, I think it's fair enough since I dont really want to show my identity to the whole world, why must I? Its funny article @stellabelle, I have nothing to explain but one word "you're FUNNY" :D
how about doing the standard holding up a steemit sign like all the other newbies are forced to do?
I have to ask you, why MUST I? You dont have the right to ask me to do that sign, i dont have an introduce myself post because I just dont want to (im not that kind of person who says much about herself in pubilc), im here just to express my food passion to foodholics just like me. And Im very happy that I had a chance to know some great food reporters here, for example @knozaki2015. Please dont mention my name as A ROBOt, and english is not my mother language, therefore sometimes it becomes "weird" (as you say), but its not my fault lol. I will try to improve my english so that it's not weird anymore, is it okay ?
Once again, we're not forced to prove ourselves here, Its up to us whether we want to show who we are. Some people claimed that they are someone famous, these people may have to write that "steemit sign", Im not claiming anything but only "i love food, i am an asian" so why must I have to post my picture if I dont want to???
@mibenkito I don't see any need for you to verify yourself here and the way you've given justifications feels wrong IMO. I don't agree with what's happened here!
that's exactly the point. why would anybody have to hold this sign and show their faces?
You are doing secret writer posts for people who want / need to stay anonymous, yet you ask someone to reveal their identity.
If you didn't hear, "asians" are very shy ( at least that;s my experience living over 30years in asia)
And I didn't know that newbie are forced to do an introduction post. what a scandal ;)
LOL thank you so much @b0y2k for helping me to verify myself and clear the air here. I really appreciate it :))
you forgot the date and the "Im" is definitely weird, you must be a bot of some kind...
Those "verification" photo makes sense only if you are known before registering to steemit and want to capitalize on your fame... aside from that... nobody cares, I didn't post a photo holding a sign have no intention of doing it... ever
@b0y2k, where is your verification? Why should we trust you?
LOL
dude leave people alone
How about you stop harassing users to hold up pointless signs? Thanks.
Dude you can do better. Thanks.
I never held up a sign, and nobody has ever once questioned my personhood or my claimed identity.
https://steemit.com/corporate-identity/@cass/sneak-preview-chainsquad-corporate-branding-logo-design#@logic/re-cass-sneak-preview-chainsquad-corporate-branding-logo-design-20160910t163149713z
:P just a few days before .. i was asked to make an identify post with holding logo (kinda funny)
force?
I never held up a sign either.
The holding up a sign thing is worse than useless. Just pay a model $5 to do it. If we need to authenticate people vs whatever, then have them validate against their other social media account.
It's about content. It doesn't matter who specifically the author is. If you really feel like someone is being overpaid, let the whales know and ask them why they are paying this much for bad content.
No one is forced to do that :P
lol no one is forced to verify anything, I thought that has been obvious since the start and a big part of decentralization. Even in my post that I created as a newbie here I made it clear no one has to verify their account, but if they want to and gain trust that way as a user of the platform, then my post would help them how to properly do it.
Were you forced to post your phone number on a public slack channel?
I never exactly said that you were AI. I merely stated that your English varies from advanced to low. The writing style of the comments seems to be different from the tone of the posts. This could be for any number of reasons. I was hoping you could clear all this up with a verfified account, like Twitter, or point to some identity. By refusing to do what is asked of all Steemit users upon entering in the beginning, it seems that you're unwilling to follow protocol, which breeds suspicion. It's so easy to get this cleared up. Everyone else has to verfiy that they are a real person. That is all you need to do.
Im sorry I will not do it just because you say people're FORCED to do. Im not forced to do anything, unless I'm willing to do it. Look around and you'll see, not all the steemians post that 'steemit board". Its your business to raise suspicion, i dont mind, Im happy to be myself and Im happy that I can express my love for cuisine here and get encouragement from other people. Why do you mention my name under the title "aritificial intelligence" if you're not implying that Im a robot? A robot can make a response like that ? I dont think so. Once again, you're very very funny girl. End of the conversation, thank you very much for making me "well-known" in a FUNNY way, I appreciate that ^^
I forgot what the word, "milled" means. can you explain it?
As you can see, Steemit is overrun by bots, auto-voting bots, AI and scammers. Linking your real other account or doing as others have been asked to do would immediately clear up the possibility of deception. I've never actually run across anyone unwilling to prove that they are a real person. Most people have no problem with this request.
Wouldn't even slow the bots down. What it would mean is that people who do not have other social media accounts and have no desire to dox ourselves or be doxxed would just go somewhere else.
Problem ain't bots. Bots are owned by people, they don't just "exist". They have a cost to acquire and a cost to maintain. This cost has to be less than the bot will earn for it's owner.
People will use bots because they are a force multiplier. To stop the bots you need to change the incentives so low value tasks aren't rewarded enough to cover the cost. But neither msgivings nor mibenkito are bots.
Not sure I would even put these two in the same category and I have more reason than most to hate msgivings.
Actually that is two words.
Why not do a verification talking or a picture with your face blurred? I feel that people should be able to vote as they wish, but accounts without a verification should not (in my opinion receive rewards as high as those with).
How can you think that things can be solved just by a blurred picture? And what for? By making responses to this article and all the funny conments she wrote, I've shown myself enough to prove that I'm not a robot nor AI. Is that all we need here? Why keep demanding me to show my face? MAYBE I am too ugly, so it is quite embarassing to do that "verify yourself thing" ? Or if I want to hide myself, I can hire a model to pose with that steemit board and post it here, who will even know that it's me or not? It's all about "willingness" my friend, and in this situation I demand to keep my identity and my images 😊
I find it odd that someone would offer up their name, but yet want to remain anonymous. That seems contradictory, actually.
I think that 90% of the users are using a nickname, you, me, mibenkito. Or is your name really stella? I didn't know that. I am very careful online, I don't want my picture or my real name being displayed in any site where the public can easily access it...
we had a similar situation last time with a whale downvoting a user, because her username was tanja, but she signed her closing with julia. the whale downvoted with the reason " suspicious, why are you using a username tanja, when your real name is julia"
some user than pointed out that the whale is using a fictious name, and they asked him if his name was XXXXX, after that debate the wale removed the flag, but still I don't understand why anybody has to reveal their real identity here.
If in the future you have to do a KYC for payouts, that would be ok, but being forced to reveal my identity to other users would drive me away from this platform.
I started hiding my identity a long time ago, as I knew if i put one picture of my face into a social network, I am doomed.
Snowden, Wikileaks, anybody not trying to keep their identity hidden while being online is a fool in my eyes. (of course I am aware, that since I am travelling many countries have a picture of me, that i can't avoid, but I can and I have decided that my own privacy is precious to me.
Welcome to the age where privacy is no longer TOLERATED ...
yeah that discussion is kinda ridiculous, why anyone would put his real name or identity in here or elsewhere on the net. (each time I look at facebook, I am just like "OMG what the fuck are they doing ?!" LOL
on the topic, I am not surprised that some bots can "write" (well probably just put together, an article or else from piece found elsewhere) also few months ago I had a discussion on skype with a bot wanting me to watch her sex cam).
Should we be afraid of that ? Well on this site most of the voting is already done by bots, so where is the problem if they also write article ?
I do agree with you. But we also have the right to be suspicious, yet most won't/are not resolved by a "introduce yourself" thingie. No, what we need is communication. And also, some people will believe whatever they want to believe :)
agree my friend. at least mibenkito is answering comments.
AI won't comment ;)
"Hello Steemians, my name is Miki."
What if miki is also a nickname? :D you should definitely stalk other accounts too, i came across some with even weirder "english", just like they are using google translate or there might be a robot typing behind. If you have time, we might need to look really carefully into it, lets find out the robots on steemit and bring them down lol
AH OK, I didn't see that! thanks !
Well Miki is a Japanese name, but I am 100% certain that she is not Japanese. She won't be korean either, as a korean girl would not chose a japanese name as her nickname.
If you have lived long enough in asia, you will know that Chinese, Hongkong Chinese, Taiwanese will use a "foreign name" and their real name.
I met so many chinese and they said "My name is Peter" after asking them Peter? they told me their real name, which was unpronounceable.
So reading and analyzing her travel pattern, I would assume that she is not Vietnamese nor Hongkong Chinese. A Hongkong Chinese would not go to a Michelin Star Restaurant, but to a more local restaurant.
From her skin color I would rule out Thailand, Vietnam and Kambodcha.
I would guess that she is Taiwanese or Chinese (probably Taiwanese).
Taiwan would fit, as Taiwanese are real foodies.
Btw. from her clothes and seing a wedding ring on her hand, I would guess that Mibenkito is between 28-35 years old. ...
I am not sure if I am right, but I just wanted to show you, that giving up too much information in your blogpost will eventually expose your real identity. Someone with better analytical skills than mine, and if mibenkito posted another 50 blog posts, going through them, I am sure her nationaly will be exposed at one point...
Agree with you there's no way shes Japanese... she definitely wouldn't say "Asian"... in fact, having taken 6 semesters of Japanese in college and lived there for 10 months, I'm not even 100% certain that there is a Japanese word for Asian like an asian person.. ajia-jin?
ANyway, here's my guess: Filipino
1.Her Asia travel: HK, and vietnam are the two closest major destinations to the Philippines . Also, no Japan trips yet (despite a clear fondness for Japanese food), which makes me think shes not as close to japan.
2.She got her bachelors degree in Australia. Taiwan has a ton of higher education. The Philippines, not so much. Obviously, its not impossible for a taiwanese to study abroad all four years, but it seems like something more likely to happen
3.The following quote fits with Filipino two ways "Egg pudding with durian sauce: The egg pudding is similar to flan pudding". The Philippines is one of those countries thats "into" durian, and she assumes that flan would be a familiar basis of comparison.
4.She seems to enjoy heavier food than the typical asian fare. Flour based pastries (like cupcakes) beef pork even a steak. (of course, 4 yuears in australia and a lot of travelilng could be responsible for that)
5.In addition to being a japanese name, miki is a type of Filipino noodle.
See i would never be able to have all this fun speculating if she spoiled the mystery from the get go.
Haha I've just seen your comment and it is very interesting to read. My identity will be revealed sooner or later if you follow me and read my upcoming entries. Thank you so much for your comment <3
I think we should all go to Dragon beach in California it is good surfing according to google translate.
I would have to agree with the anonymity premise. Not because I am somehow afraid to admit who I am, but because I don’t think this is relevant. In fact, when I joined Steemit I didn't even know I was supposed to introduce myself. Eventually, I made my intro, but not because I was forced by some rule, but because I thought it would make my posts more noticeable. Also my intro doesn't show me standing with Steemit slogan. https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@mgaft1/neither-left-nor-write-breainer
We are a virtual community here and I should be judged on our ideas and writing style rather than on how we look like or what our position in the outside world is.
Also, who cares where I psychically live? For all I care a person could write from prison in Congo and if their writing style is good and the content is interesting, the more power to them. I am an introvert and, most of the time, I live in my head anyhow.
When it comes to AI surely this is an interesting problem. I remember even posting a response to misgivings. However, I feel the fault of this sin lies entirely on me. I did this by my free choice and if I couldn’t decipher a machine from a human then it’s a shame on me.
I can't agree more :)
stella, did you see this picture? you can actually see that this is an asian... yes face is not visible, but I would bet a dorian dessert with you, that these are not dyed hair, but natural asian hair...
Stella actually thinks that a robot can make delicious cupcakes and hand out Steemit flyers on the street @knozaki2015 :D
No, she just said that your english is very good in your posts, but in your comments your english is soso.
I would assume that you get your posts proof read by someone, or have them checked in a tool like grammerly?
@knozaki2015 i proof read it myself but sometimes i ran out of time so... I promise I will make it more professional and less weird next time :( and you know, i graduated long time ago, then came back to my country, from that time I did not use any english, so I forgot A LOT. In conclusion, we do need to carefully proof read our post before making it public, I see :(
I think her concerns may have to do with the fact that some of your posts are well written with proper punctuation/capitalization and flow easily while other posts are not only riddled with errors but sound quite different. The "narrative voice" of your posts is far from consistent. Does your husband write some of them?
So, what would you suggest moving forward when we suspect the next AI account? Usually, people have some sort of other account like Twitter to verify that they are a real person. What would you suggest the next time an AI account takes over the trending pages?
I use my author name. I am a professional writer, so it makes sense to use my author identity.
I never claimed this account to be AI, I merely think the writing is very odd. I was curious who this person was, behind all the "i love food" persona. People generally like many things. That's what makes us human...... It has the feel of being manufactured, that's all. I might not be right about it, and I never claimed it was one thing or another. Something just doesn't seem right about it. That's all. I was hoping to get my doubts cleared up in a real, tangible way, but apparently that's not happening. I read a lot. And like I mentioned, I lived in Asia, too as an English teacher. I'm very familiar with non-native English writing, and these posts don't feel like non-native English. They feel somehow manipulated in some way. That's my honest, gut feelings. But I'm only human, so there's potential that I may be incorrect.
'I never claimed this account to be an AI.'
Stella - your headline reads: 'Artificial Intelligence Has Made $16,000+ In Blogging Rewards.'
You go on to say: 'These comments surfaced in response to posts by the AI @msgivings account.'
And also: 'By this point, I suppose many of you realize that the account of @msgivings was not run by a human, but rather by artificial intelligence.'
YOU CLEARLY DO CLAIM THIS ACCOUNT TO BE AN AI ...
Yes you are totally incorrect, thats the only thing I can say :))
Is there any need to say anything else, "judgement day will soon be upon us!!"
What if all of us mere mortals adapted to this new AI technology, like most of us will be doing soon enough, and began using our own AI programs to generate content? What exactly would be the point of Steemit?
Exactly!
I personally don't vote for anything that doesn't demonstrate a personal human touch through it's format and delivery. Yes, that means you actually reading the content, not auto-upvoting and moving on in the blink of an eye. That's the point isn't it? Sure, as AI get's more advanced this may become harder to decipher, but isn't that our job as HUMAN curators?
This auto-generated content , in fact auto everything at the moment, are negatives imo. This place is supposed to moderated by humans, unless I've misunderstood the point in all of this. Auto-upvoting is a form of moderating, and if it's done on behalf of a whales account, it's also agenda setting, and when you've witnessed that type of content set the story of the front trending page, for the rest of world to see, then yes, it doesn't promote the best of what steemit has to offer.
Thanks for following this up, and for the recognition stellabelle :)
"but isn't that our job as HUMAN curators" I think you've nailed it here. I am beginning to notice or observe that perhaps Steemit will morph into a place where bots are calling the shots. I also feel that bot owners are already more powerful than regular users. This is the divide that we see with the more powerful forces having AI and the less powerful humans not having access to AI. It's not clear what would happen if we all got our own AI writing programs up and running. If an AI can write 500 posts in the time that it takes me to write 1, why on earth would I do that? I could be painting while my robot is writing for me.......and I could be singing and eating fritos too....It just doesn't make much sense. I could then sort of tweak the results to give the article the feel of it being me. I feel that everything is accelerated in Steemit, and the wars being waged, are ones that will be waged in the mainstream future.
HFT - High frequency trading algorithms have been calling the shots in the global financial markets since at least since 1999, but when you go digging you realise that they have probably been going on for a lot longer. HFT happens in the bitcoin market, and with the high degree of curation automation here, perhaps we are at the precipice of HFT blogging becoming a thing.
Bot owners do seem to have an advantage, at least based on the current setup.
I fixed it to @yogi.artist
Sorry
Thanks @stellabelle. Also, I just wanted to say thanks to @bacchist too, for his solid work on this.
yes, he was the first. I feel that I got more out of your cheeky way of writing. It really had a sense of humor that I appreciated. And it was subtle, the way I might have written about it.
Thanks, I'm glad that it resonated with you @stellabelle :)
"I personally don't vote for anything that doesn't demonstrate a personal human touch" Me neither. I actually read most of what I vote for. There are exceptions, of course, but I read a lot. If I sniff something fake, or inconsistent, I won't vote for it. what's your opinion about @mibenkito? Doesn't the writing feel extremely weird?
Flagging this for your constant harassment of @mibenkito.
I haven't checked out that account yet. I'll have a little nose now.....
What you think after checking it out ?
I flagged this post as engaging in a witch hunt. There is no conclusive evidence that these posts are created by bots and many doubt it (see comments here for example). If a post asks questions about this, that is legitimate inquiry and is adding value. Opinions about posts being poor quality are certainly valid and reason to not vote for those posts or even perhaps to downvote them. Instead, this post not only presents these claims as a statement of fact, but goes on to make additional unproven accusations.
At a minimum I see no reason for a post like this full of unproven accusations and speculation that rehashes an old topic while adding nothing new to be highly rewarded. Beyond that, it is contributing to a negative environment on the platform, is quite possibly harassment and abuse of users (especially to the extent that the accusations may well be wrong, or otherwise inaccurate) and is harmful.
this AI blog inspired my video rant
I am really surprised by a lot of the dialogue that I'm reading in the comments.
From what I've read, @stellabelle was voicing her concern about bots raking in a lot of money. Of course there's a person behind creating the bot, and good on them for finding a lucrative way to play the system - but it costs the community and flesh and blood creators who are trying to navigate the platform and find footing.
Her statements about Asians was not an attack on them but her own experience and interaction. I tend to say that I'm half-Korean. I've only said "I'm of Asian descent" a handful of times.
@mibenkito and @knozaki2015 - I would like to respectfully point out a few things.
Steemit and basically all paid-for-content sites have a history of bots, plagiarists and article spinners. Not only do these things jeopardize the quality of content, it is a reflection of the platform which it sits on, and affects the community as a whole.
Stellabelle's reputation score sits easily in the top five. She is considered a whale - and her votes are significant. If you read through her body of work, you will note that she is also a creative soul, and as she's gained Steem Power and rank, she has been tremendous at promoting people who are struggling because she cares about Steemit.
May I also point out that consistency is king. You may have been singled out because of that. People tend not to change their writing style from article to article. Now, if you were posting a mix of things - let's say you post a picture one day and an article the next, obviously the article will be scrutinized more for things like grammar, spelling, the turn of a phrase. It's like comparing apples to oranges. But if your articles are showing high quality and then dropping to low quality in general form, you're going to raise some red flags...not just with the whales, but your potential readers & followers.
As a whale, stellabelle has inherited a duty to curate quality work and find new talent as she maintains her own creativity and stays in touch with those she follows. She didn't ask for this responsibility but she takes it on with grace.
Did you know that you could be flagged into oblivion? She has given you freedom to express your cutting remarks. I've seen people flagged for lesser infractions, and frankly, I am impressed by her self-control.
That being said, my interpretation of her post is this: AI is here. There's no point fighting its development and implementation, but as a person with powerful votes, perhaps she'd like to know exactly who she's voting for. I am personally okay with some bots, but the developers have also been forthright and honest about its identity. At least the population knows and can make a conscious decision to upvote or not.
Finally (sorry the comment is long)
@mibenkito - while it's true she called you out, if you read her post again, you would clearly see she is expressing her concerns and not outright attacking you. Your comments clearly show a human behind them. But if you look objectively at the situation, understand that stellabelle has been part of the uninformed masses which helped msgivins earn that much money. It was a mistake to do and admitting to it is tough, especially when people look toward you to be a good example. if English is a second language to you, consider this phrase for this situation: Once bitten, twice shy.
Peace.
Thanks for your comment, and if you read through all of my comments you will understand the situation as well, if you choose to believe. I think it is not a good way to specifically mention someone's name here and thoroughly look into every single words of her post, and then imply her to be that kind of AI or robot (it's funny). Of course English is not my mother language, and I'm trying to improve it days by days. I think people upvote me not because of my ENGLISH but my FOOD.
And you know what, the most annoying thing @stellabelle gave me is the "verify yourself thingy" (if you don't know why, please go through all the comments again). Honestly I'm feeling being attacked, but never mind, people can write anything that they want and freely express their point of view.
Food is definitely cross-cultural and ageless, isn't it?
I don't speak for others, but in my perspective, my image and content has been all over the internet since 1999. It's not "required" to verify your ID with a picture and the date - but it certainly helps. It gets the attention of people who are trying to find flesh & blood creators...and isn't the bottom line to build a good following to earn some decent money?
Here's another way of looking at "shout-outs". There are so many initiatives from people who want to find good quality creators and give them exposure: robinhoodwhale, nameinlights, and projectnewbie to name a few. We shout them out and call attention to them. When they link to our things, we consider it a very good thing - a blessing and a gift.
But when we are called out because our identity is in question, it is shocking and hurtful, especially if you're not a bot. But here's why I think this experience may be a very good thing for you.
Let go of the pride associated with feeling like you've been attacked. You were indeed called out and you've responded so we know you're human.
I was in the newspaper business for 7 years and I can tell you "bad news" sells better than "good news." I wouldn't be surprised if you've gotten an influx of people viewing your posts - maybe even a few new followers - and hopefully no haters. Haters suck.
You've currently got an audience reading your responses. Will you overcome adversity and be seen with grace and dignity? What you do from here is entirely up to you.
To err is human, to forgive - Divine
Why are some of your posts written in fluent English--like that of a native English speaker, and your comments written very much like that of a person...who is not entirely fluent when it comes to syntax, sentence flow, overall flow? I know you're a real person judging by your comments but I'm pretty sure you didn't write some of the blog posts. Work for hire? Totally legit to hire someone to translate your work into English so I don't think you should feel ashamed to admit that. As for proving your identity with a photo I agree with you. I'm not ever posting my real name or a photo--because I have a right to privacy especially when the things I share here are not necessarily topics that I want to share with family or colleagues in real life.
Omg I wrote them, every single words are my creation, and it is up to you guys who choose to believe what they want, I don't mind :)
And stop saying that my husband or someone has been hired to write these posts, it is unproven accusation and I find it really annoying when you keep saying that.
Thanks for your comments. I was at an ecovillage spreading the message of Steemit when at night, I discovered I had been basically censored. My trip then turned into a quest to find conflict resolution ideas. And the leader there, I consulted with him and told him what I was experiencing here. I will do a post in next days about what I found out and how we as a community can move forward from these issues, that are making many of us feel threatened for having questions and using our critical thinking skills. I was not able to comment on anything while I was in the ecovillage, that's why I'm just getting to see all of this now. When I discovered that I was being attacked, I obviously had to re-think why I was at the ecovillage, spreading the word about Steemit. My mission changed course, but I'll be sharing what I learned about conflict resolution techniques soon.
I believe some portions of @msgivings's posts were plagiarized and that that the account is not necessarily an AI content generation bot.
Detection of a bot is (very) difficult -- at least from an algorithmic perspective, maybe not so much from a human one--although, I saw some posts that were stated to be auto generated content, and there would have been no way that I would have known.
Even then, anyone could have a general AI content creation bot and still interact in the comment section of their blog. In addition, anyone could hire a neighbor or friend or model or actor or actress to pose and do a 'steemit' shot.
I don't see how requesting users to show pictures of faces and steemit signs solves anything.
bingo on that. "introduce yourself" has zero reasons to even exists from a certain point of view. We can be more "real" in anonymity imho...
what solves our problems is actually READ before you upvote.
another good rule: if the authors is not on steemit.chat then....i am a bit skeptical on how people make so much money. a big part of steemit is about community and friends, and most of those you make in the chat.
Well said. Post (or a comment!) is of good quality and/or adds value to the community and/or platform, upvote. Post is not of good quality and/or does not add value to the community and/or platform, do not upvote.
Stop the witch hunts.
I think "witch hunt" is a bit over the top. I was vocal about my reservations about @msgivings even before the definitive proof of plagiarism. I think the distinct lack of any attempt to save face or respond to the criticisms confirms that the operator of the account was consciously trying to get away with something. As soon as the gig was up, they recognized it and moved on... almost certainly to attempt to recreate their smashing success. I don't think it's fair of you to demonize people who speak out about obvious destructive behavior, while ignoring or even justifying the initial abuse.
I think the flags on this post are wildly inappropriate.
But she turned me into a newt!
Respectfully disagree, especially about this post which not only made hyperbolic. unproven, and very likely untrue claims about @msgivings being an AI, but more importantly made similarly flimsy accusations and inappropriate demands against another user who, at least up to the point of this confrontation, is still active.
I will not condone this form of bullying and harassment. It is absolutely appropriate to flag it and I will continue to do so if I see it happening again.
I agree.
Well the reward is not designed to make u read content. It's about finding out what others will vote for. Reading content is likely not a good way to find that out unless you like exactly what the majority likes.
It is more effective to just follow trends and analyse post from a technical perspective.
A big part of the problem is that curators aren't paid enough. The system was originally envisioned/created with a 50 50 split between curators and authors, now its gotta be close to 90-10 in favor of authors.
It shouldn't be more profitable for a whale to create a sock puppet account and upvote it than it is for them to curate honestly (which, ultimately, i think thats where these accusations are going).
The system allows people to be either professional/strategic curators (trying to predict what others will like) or consumer/revealing curators. The former are doing it to make money. The latter are doing it in order to "buy" more of what they like by revealing preferences and adjusting incentives for both content creators and professional curators. Regardless of which role you choose to play (and it needn't be entirely one or the other), there is value to reading (or at least skimming/reviewing) content. That is only my view, though, you may reasonably disagree.
It is clear though, that relatively late curators do not make significant (if any) money from curation rewards, and according to the system design should either be consumer curators or not vote at all. Whether people actually behave in that manner I can't say for sure, but to the extent they don't, the system design is not at fault.
This is reply to smooth reply:
The thing is that voting for things that one likes is like being a nice guy. It's good for everyone but bad for the curator.
If I understand the mechanics correctly we are creating a tragedy of comments, instead of preventing it. It is profitable to abuse the public resource for ones benefit. If that is the goal then it's a good design.
The question is what is the purpose of the curation system? If the purpose is for people to reward content they like, then I think the design works against this purpose.
That's why I 💕 You @razvanelulmarin. I spend zillion of hours reading and this blogs nonsense was obvious at some point. I made a big mistake to even follow . I was tricked because it was trending , thought I have to give some attention. I actually stopped looking at trending section since then ( some is very good though)
I do not believe in steemit selfies @stellabelle and will only show my face in content to my story.
I do not even believe in whales votes because working hard on your own, pays off more if you see your followers number grow. Soon I have to write : How did I make 22 $$ with whales votes and how did it look without 🙈 but 335 followers.
Anyways, I would not mind to have a little sweet bot correcting my English and give my stories a more humorous, intelligently sarcastic touch when I get too serious. I also need more knowledge on crypto currency topics and learn more vocabulary.
I find bots fascinating , created by certain kind of "humans" I usually can't stand.
I am still looking for soul in each content and as long AI content is transparent I have no issue with it but I want to know.
Yeah, I didn't know about rocket chat until @stellabelle told me. It definitely changed my entire experience on the platform and I've made some good friends. If I can't find someone on chat, I try to guide them to joining it
When I first started here I had my suspicions. It's now very apparent that a lot of bots are posting here. Which in my opinion defects the purpose of Steemit.
It was suppose to be a collection of people's experiences and knowledge. When I soon realized it was filled with auto posting programs I decided it wasn't worth it to post as much. I wasn't gaining a lot of steem so it wasn't a major loss for me.
I think that is why video and vlogging is very popular on other social outlets. You can actually see someone behind the camera.
yes
AI accounts earning rewards is another reason vloggers are not paid very much rewards, as AI can never be a vlogger.
ha ha.
Ok, now my real comment.
All this mibenkito thing did distracted me. I came here actually as I agree with you.
It would be awesome if the creator of mrs givings would come forward and explains the whole story behind it! that would be an super interesting topic!
So who ever you are, show some guts and come forward !!!
can you imagine the post reward if msgivings actually told the truth? But how would any of us even know if the account owner was telling the truth?
well that would be easy??!!!
the owner of that AI bot would just have to make a post using mrgivings acount :
Just one message : I confirm that @mycreator is my creator ;)
that would proof that he is the owner. or at least has the posting keys
about the posting reward, I think it would go 5 figures..
Na do a buffer overflow on her and steal her keys. Then write about that.
"Hello,
I wanted to make some money and prove that if i write about "love" and inflammatory topics in badish English, you guys will jump on it like sharks. HAAAA
PS: yes, it helped that I knew a whale or two,"
msgivings,
thanks bye.
PS: do you like my new louis vuitton purse?
I was shocked but now I got it. It's a joke, right ? :)))
:D
@stellabelle please read this article. If @msgivings is an AI, the owner maybe Google or the aliens.
An A.I. Competed for a Literary Prize, but Humans Still Did the Real Work
There are two pro bot solutions both which I blogged about. One solution is to simply reward humans for human computations that AI cannot do efficiently.
If humans aren't making enough from blogging then maybe blogging isn't an activity which humans are best suited for, but at the same time it's not like AI at this time is able to blog better than humans at everything. Also, humans form friendships, just adding a friends list would encourage interpersonal relationships.
Privacy can be enhanced while also allowing verification of unique human identity on Steemit. The technical details of how to do this will be addressed a bit below, but there should never be a reason why the crowd should demand someone break their pseudo-anonymity. The blockchain itself can verify accounts with minimal or perhaps without any human seeing personal identifiable information.
How do we verify accounts while optimizing privacy (pseudo-anonymity)?
First, privacy is all about access control. Alice wants (blockchain) to know she's a unique human. Alice doesn't want everyone to know which unique human she is or anything more than she is a unique human. This is made possible through blind signatures, and using the typical KYC or ID procedures. An AI could even evaluate humanness of content producers just by analysis of their content, and the AI(bot) can ask for personal identifiable information in such a way that it cannot be linked back to the pseudonym.
In my own blog post I discussed how to do this, and it can even be quantum resistant. See: "Decentralized Attribute-Based Encryption is Possible on a Blockchain" and " Quantum Resistant Error Correcting Code Based Blind Signatures Can Enhance Voter Privacy On Steemit"
Use blind signatures
For people into technical details, blind signatures will allow Steemit to link the hash of personal identifiable information to a Steemit account in a way where no one can determine which information belongs to which account. If the information is encrypted in the decentralized cloud, such as IPFS or Storj, then someone's KYC documents such as drivers license, government ID, and other details can be saved there for AI to analyze in the future.
For example, suppose someday we want to lock away parts of Steemit from underage users accounts? This is easily possible if an AI can check all of our personal information and filter out anyone under the legal limit. The point is, I wouldn't need to know anything about any pseudonym that I'm not told, but the system, the blockchain, would know us all. AI would access the blockchain with our permission, and could verify on an attribute by attribute basis.
Im a little late to the party, but i wanted to make a few observations.
The "post a picture holding a sign" thing was stupid from the getgo.
Here's how it happened. Whales started upvoting introduce yourself posts by hawt girls that had very little content and just a picture of a 20-something with perky boobs.
Now it turned out that some of the hot girls with perky boobs were't real. Well, they were real, but they weren't really the people posting.
Now here's what the community should have said:
"Its absurd that posts are getting upvoted just because they have a picture of a hot girl on them. If the hot girl has something relevant to say besides "hi, look at my bewbs", then let her say it and upvote that. But don't upvote someone just for their looks, that's shallow and creepy"
Instead, we said:
"OMG, what if shes not real. We have to make sure that we're being legitimately shallow and voting for real people based on their real looks, rather than illegitimately shallow and voting for fake people based on their fake looks"
My point here is who cares if Msgivings is a bot, or this mibenkito, or anyone else is really a bot. What should really matter is if they are producing quality content. If the answer to that is no, their overvalued content ought to b e flagged. If its yes, then who cares who writes it?
It was a bit more than that. The pictures being posted were in many cases literally lifted from other social media profiles or web sites belonging to someone who did not consent or even know their picture was being used here. Occasionally that involved celebrities or semi-celebrities, but mostly just attractive young women, as you said. The "take a picture with a sign" thing was, originally, more about identity theft than anything else. After all, if there were no picture at all, there would be no hawt boobs to attract votes.
Later, it was latched on to by some trolls and control freaks to start to demand pictures as a sort of sad power dominance game. That game was allowed to go on too long.
Agree with your conclusion of course.
Just as with Satoshi Nakamoto there is no proof that any human had anything to do with it...
Also, it seems you have some bias aginst AI??? the reason most whales votes for the ai is because a bot does their voting...
Along with the others, flagging for harassment. Nobody is required to post a verification photo and users have the freedom to vote on ANY post they like. Go back to promoting Synero...
People have a right to their opinions. Good grief. This flagging needs to stop. If you dont like this article, go write a rebuttal.
I for one, welcome our new AI overlords
:)))))
I agree with closing lines. If someone wanted to run an AI and take there chances with people, I am all about it.
It seems more like double dipping though. Someone controls several accounts, or their voting power, and is not happy with curation rewards (low liquidity) and so they decide to take advantage of the system. All they require is something reasonably human sounding.
I wonder (early speculation) if it wouldn't be better to have author rewards be pure SP and curation rewards geared to liquidity. It would at a quick mental run-through appear to make curation a more desirable goal. Authors would choose to power down earlier than they otherwise might, but as long as the content is good they should be able to build up what is depleted weekly.
Just the math here. My vote is worth $200 $150 is to the author and $50 is my curation reward. My curation is pure SP, but the author gets 50/50 so $75 is liquid and can be cashed out at 24 hours. If the $50 curation was liquid, well, less SBD is distributed (something looked at now anyway) and the author is vested in the future of the site.
Early thoughts, but I think it changes something
wow. what an idea. great one man!
Thanks. I am gonna type it up in a suggestion post.... it makes more sense
She was never a bot. The owner hired a bunch of people from places like fivr.
Also it was inside job. Sorry but no one, not even @stellabelle catches fire every single day with every single post.
What happened is that someone's stuck with the 2 year power down, sees the price is crashing and feels a need to cash out.
msgivings was never a bot.
A group of someones. Someones with a lot of collective influence on this platform. How did @msgivings earn so much? Look at the voting. You'll see the same people. Check out steemvp.com and steemd.com/@msgivings. There's a lot of useful info there, but there's so much more if you look closely enough.
Well the writing is short, the images are not sourced. Yet they appear out of nowhere and a bunch of whales vote for them. They get called out on it, the accounts die or go into hibernation, and then another one pops up and the same whales vote for them. Looks to me like a whale farming operation, or whales intentionally finding ways to pay families and friends for crap, or whales who are hiring people to curate in their names and those people taking advantage of that.
Much more plausible than all of it being written and image-sourced by an AI ...
"Looks to me like a whale farming operation..."
That would seem most plausible to me. But I wouldn't discount that kind of operation also using spun content.
thanks for writing this. I saw something about that account the other day, but didn't quite get the full deal - you've done well spelling out the situation here.
jeezus fuck, crazy shit.
well, I guess progressing through learning cycles - this indeed proves the case being made for the need of a strong crypto-identification-verification system on the net, with this providing a fine example of an application. a $16,000 lesson.
If you're referring to @msgivings - it was a $21,312.55 lesson. (In SBD and SP, of course.)
Some others that seem to be in this vein are @mrron, and @honeyscribe.
Or worse - most of them can be writing about the same topics and still getting the same whale votes. We should ask ourselves how that's possible. Same content, same whales. Same whales, same content. (Watch for the ones who get the most defensive when the fraud is identified and mentioned.)
I had no clue . Kinda cool.
I think this boiled down to the reward system on here. I don't care about content when I vote, all I care about is profit. I will vote for any bit as long as I think this will make me money.
I think the design of this system is so that computers will dominate it, due to the fact that curation is a skill game that is best done automatically. U will never beat a bot unless you are awake 24h and do this full time.
For the time being, I think it's quite unlikely that the articles were written by AI as they deal with things involving human relations which are pretty hard for AI to manage.
The most probable explanation is a mix of freelance articles or something like that.
@alexgr's view is similar to my take. I see @msgivings's articles as taking 100 years of women's magazine articles, - probably enough sentences to fill the New York Public Library - chopping them to bits and putting them together as new content.
Great article.... I would love to see this be posted on a major media outlet as AI and Robotics are becoming quite a trend. If this were to be posted to the mass public, many individuals would likely be exposed to Steem for the first time and hopefully we can continue user growth.
I have never and will never hold a sign with a date or anything to prove anything to anyone. it is a stupid act imo. xD
I'm to much of an ass to be mistaken for a bot though.
i don't get why your are getting flagged and it sux. :/
censorship is wrong.
@stellabelle, I beg to disagree with you...
I read some of msgivings' writings and I see no evidence for them being AI generated. While AI has advanced to the level of writing weather reports, financial reports and such, even creating scientific hypotheses, it is not capable of producing Steemit blog posts consisting of pictures with prose that can appeal to humans.
I read your well written article article above and I am not convinced that @msgivings' articles are composed by AI; AI assisted perhaps, but not AI.
I heartily encourage you to rip apart my arguments and make a fool of me because that would mean that AI has evolved to a point that gives me great hope because now machine learning will soon digest the world's scientific/technological data and advance it in an exponentially accelerating fashion as dipicted in The Singularity by Ray Kurzweil.
Madam, I respectfully and metaphorically throw down my gauntlet!
Artificial intelligence has fooled you. The singularity has begun, my dear.
I read yogi.artist's post and am still not convinced. Getting to the bottom of this is going to take some time, but you have brought up an important question about AI: Can AI writing fool the public? This is something worth examining.
I read a year or so ago that a computer passed the "Turing Test", but that was even a little controversial. Furthermore, I have posted to the Google+ AI Community about this and hope to get some knowledgable answers.
In the mean time, I am still researching this matter...
Indeed it has, just like it's evil overlords who it will soon consume.
ha ha! I remember when you broke your @mstakings errr.....@msgivings story, that was one of the highlights on Steemit. A giant veil of ignorance was lifted.......and the evil overlords.....who exactly are they???????
The evil overlords are the the "deceptive human mind's who are controlling them"
you obviously didn't read @yogi-artist's post:
This is an excerpt from his post that details how he used AI to generate the entire post:
"This 750 word+ blog, that passes copyscape, was generated in 20 seconds using the latest and most advanced automated content writing AI software. It is totally original and un-edited. All I did was typed in my title, clicked generate, and within less time than it takes to put the kettle on, this is what it produced - :
"Appearances are frequently deceptive. Physical appearance is not really important, cetainly not as crucial as character.
When most standards think about the attitude or mood of someone based on their inner or inside look, attitude might be considered part of outer beauty as it adds to or subtracts from the physical look of the individual, and is also a way to learn more about the inner attributes of that specific individual. They're permanent in nature. I'm sure that everybody has things which they don't like about themselves, whether it's their physical appearance, part of the personality, or many other facets of self.
Inner beauty makes it possible to appreciate outer beauty. Always keep in mind that your inner beauty is more significant than your outside looks. External physical beauty alone won't direct you towards connecting with people emotionally.
The physical overall look of humans is what we call the external look, whilst spirituality is really a kind of internal look. Makeup that's properly applied can dramatically enhance your outward look. Self-esteem is a key value within the life of any human being. Quite simply, an unattractive person will obtain a significant value contingent upon their inside overall look.
By the end of it, you hate yourself, you're self-conscious, you're questioning your look and way of life, and doubting your self-worth. Your physical appearance - Let's face it, it's the first thing an expected mate or date sees. Importantly, you must be the kind of person who, irrespective of appearance and outward perception, never allows anybody to make you feel inferior...."
read the rest of this AI-generated post here: https://steemit.com/steem/@yogi.artist/the-importance-of-physical-appearance-in-society-featuring-new-ai-author-mstakings
https://automatedinsights.com/product
The major news outlets are already using AI to generate stories, articles and breaking news updates.
While those examples demonstrate effective AI uses, they are really templates where you plug in the data. For example, a corporate 10K report is a fairly routine matter; just fill in fiscal year, revenues, expenses etc. and you can get a real human readable report. But, putting 750 words free form as in an article is still beyond the scope of AI faccording to my research. I am open minded, but AI doing Steemit posts for profit is too good to be true! But, it is an interesting April Fool joke...
yeah. but as i said in my latest article, sometimes you can't change people minds and that's OK!
I do not believe in A.I generated content. It can be true but it wouldn't be rewarded anywhere else...even here, someone writing from a.i generated is still at disadvantage.
IDEAS are what makes a mind spark, A.I has none becaue...let's fucking stop calling it AI!!! it's not an "I" :))
The rise of Ai is very welcome. I avoided msgivings because the titles made me cringe and I read one once and felt awful about life and people for a minute.
I think i did the same thing. I read part of one about how a man should not propose to a woman in a mall or something, and I felt like it was a sham, or something...... The choice of photos seemed too contrived somehow.
the one that turned my stomach was the infidelity one, about why the man wants the girl on the side.
The one that alerted me was the Dating advice for men only. It was all wrong both in tone and content.
that was poison and the fact that made 2800$ made me question a lot of stuff here.
You just negated the whole idea of your article. AI did not fool you...oh, you're taking about "masses"? what are those? we are the masses...
boom. that's the whole idea. everyone should have done the same and instead of this fucking controversy we would have had some cool articles...
You gotta admit though that the tech is interesting and the use cases surrounding it are likewise kinda fascinating. @stellabelle mentioned checking out the software for a couple of interesting projects. I'm not at all nervous that it will detract from the authors I love to read, the msgivings articles weren't especially good and I didn't enjoy the style much. Humans still win.
" fool the whale curation bots " There lies the problem. Whale bots are accepted by the community. Upvote bots too. Msgivings posts were banal. Reckon there are bots following whale bots so the whole thing is a sham.
We should refrain from attacking random people. I think your worries are exaggerated.
Do you think that article/articles of msgivings would have been publishable or paid anywhere else? 100% NO. They were shit and poison. THAT's my main beef with them.
the A.I wins because the vigilance was off. people jumped on curation rewards or ...I actually don't get it. I could not upvote those.
I do not worry all that much but I'm curious what do you want to do with the "A.I". About that too..there's no A.I, make no mistake :)
I think it is helpful to refer to an article of dan (@dantheman) one month ago, where he addressed the rising issue of bots and A.I.
He concluded his article
https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/curation-rewards-and-voting-incentive
with the following:
Thanks @stellabelle to make this subject a main point of discussion. We all have to know more and better about this upcoming and irritating issue.
After reading all the comments, a few things jump out at me.
If I am not sure about a post or if something doesn't resonate with me, I will not read it, usually. One of the first things I look for when a post interests me is the background on the poster. I like to know a little about the person. If an introductory post is not available, I usually don't frequent his/her writings in the future.
If @mibenkito would open up, use this opportunity to let a little of her life out, she would benefit financially, if not spiritually.
Sorry, I am here because I want to share my passion, I am not here to sell my identity :)
There are technical methods to allow for privacy (access control) with verification. You don't have to verify yourself to everyone on Facebook or Twitter, you just have to verify yourself to Twitter. You shouldn't have to verify yourself to me directly, but instead you do it once and your account is verified. All of this can be done on the blockchain, and AI itself could look at your government ID so the whole process is automated with the minimum amount of human beings accessing your personal information.
Some humans are nosey and want more access to personal information than they need to verify you. Technically at most only one human being needs to verify you and honestly, these processes are stream lined. Know your customer for example requires this process. Facebook for example asked me for my government ID before because someone reported that I was AI, and once they saw my Id they unlocked my account. In my opinion, it is not necessary for me to break your pseudo-anonymity in order for the blockchain to verify you as human.
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Don't you think the free market weeds these AI accounts out eventually? That's what just happened right?
That is what just happened, after the AI earned a nice $16000, money that won't go to real authors.
Hey its faster than the Federal Reserve has been weeded out :)
yes, the AI account @msgivings has been identified, but that is no deterrent to create more AI accounts.
I'm not scared of competing against an AI, and you @stellabelle shouldn't either!
So let's show these bots which an human is able to do :)
i am scared of the masses who cannot tell AI from real humans.
Good post @stellabelle. But I think the real question is why so many whales voted for @msgivings from the start to the last post? I can only go back and see 4 weeks of her posts, but it's pretty often the same whales. Bots and following bots? Probably. But it's not what you would hope for in content curation.
I found myself wondering this as well, @nubchai. Whether or not @msgivings was writing easy rants as a bot or not, I think that what was perceived as "quality" in them was more like attitude. Remember Tay, the Microsoft bot who started saying incendiary things after people intentionally messed with it? Some of those tweets were shockingly hilarious. While it's true that there are memes and jokes that do well on Steemit and should not be prevented from doing so, I have to ask:
Is a rant with a strong attitude worth so much?
Should we all stop bothering to do research or open up and just flame our most controversial opinions? Is that really adding value? Is that what Steemit wants to be?
Before they trended, I commented on a few of those posts trying to inspire her(him?) to increase the power of unsupported opinion with a rounded view, references to books, personal confessional stories etc. I honestly thought they would need that to do well. (I haven't read all the posts, so maybe some are better than the ones I commented on). But...No response. AND serious success.
I know it's a different case, but when @lukestokes asked @sean-king to support a claim, @sean-king wrote a whole article supporting the claim. That's what community that values quality looks like. Even though @sean-king is well-known here and doesn't need to improve his writing or argumentation to be rewarded for what are often deeply impressive articles, he engages with challenges. I'm not saying that everybody should have to respond to every comment, but it builds community whenever anyone does. Those who are here as parasites to get what they can and run are unlikely to be contributing as citizens. I admit it gets my goat that someone who showed little interest in being a real person on Steemit was so consistently and overwhelmingly rewarded, whether or not their writing was generated by a bot.
I agree. I think the AI creation of "content" is less of an issue than the consistent upvoting of suspect posts by people with a LOT of steem powere and their bots.
I totally agree, @nubchai. Thanks for responding. :)
https://steemit.com/steemit/@razvanelulmarin/msgivings-frequent-trending-authors-has-been-exposed-for-plagiarism-the-question-remains-is-this-what-steemit-wants-to-be did you read this?
Voting bots are what the curent system promotes.
We have now entered blade runner territory.
I agree on that.
Maybe I am still an idealist, but I believe no AI will be able to compete with a real human.
Anyway we can't stop that, so we need to become aware of it and spread the information to other fellows humans.
Not only will superintelligence surpass us in the coming years, we won't even know how to process the information because it will be far superior to our own intellectual abilities. We will become like cats to AI.
When I will see a new Da Vinci with my eyes, I will believe.
I think we have a thing called "soul" and it will be hard to give them such thing, whatever technology we use...
That shows you don't really read all tha tmuch or understand "A.I". For now there's not a.i. that software that beat the GO master? SOFTWARE. yeah, neural networks area beautiful and they "learn" but from that to something else?
Even if...somehow...a sentient a.i. appears, what makes you think we wouldn't be able to co-exist? it's like saying that if aliens came you'd have to stop writing.
non-sense...
I Never Knew About AI
I knew about Article Spinners
It Seems Google Would Slap
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I knew about AI but not that it could be used in this way. It's sobering.
@stellabelle Regarding @misbenkito, it could just be lack of research but this line in the Hong Kong post, "The combination of pudding and durian creates a unique flavor, the aromatic smell of durian and egg make us want to order one more." Has anyone smelled Durian? WHOA. It's enough to get the gas company in to do an inspection! I love it but it's not for everyone. I heard that in Asia (I have not been) there are signs in public places, airports, etc. that BAN it, therefore I find it VERY odd that someone would mention it without mentioning that it's like BANNED due to it's INTENSE smell. "aromatic smell?" Really? You'd send me out to the far end of your backyard to eat it! Google Durian+signs https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=durian+warning+signs&rlz=1C1NHXL_enCA693CA693&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=620&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjn1a25jZLPAhUJJcAKHQQtBr8Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=EO8K9gnZXHBOsM%3A
Omg im very disappointed that you are totally lack of knowledge about food to say that durian smell is BANNED. Im sorry, but not at all, buy yourself a ticket to hongkong or maybe thailand and you'll see what I mean ;)
Well, while durian is sold almost in any supermarket, you are not allowed to take it into hotels.
I know because I once left durian in a supermarket bag at my friends door in a hotel in singapore (i had to catch a cab to the airport) the hotel was almost evacuated, as the smell went into the aircondition and than transmitted to the whole Hotel ;)
But I just read mibenkito hkg post, and the combination of pudding and durian might not smell as bad as a fresh durian fruit. I think I had something similar in the past somewhere, and the smell was ok (it was not so bad at all)
that's an amazing story!
I know that durian is not allowed in hotels and also the airplanes, but not in public. They are sold everywhere in some asian countries (especially south east asia), and in hongkong there is even a dessert store with durian to be the main ingredient @knozaki2015. I ate there long time ago but still love that unforgetable flavor. I know that not all of us can stand the smell of durian, but once you're in love, you get addicited, just like me ^^
If ai account could earn a lot of money then it means we lost our human intuition to identify it in early stage. But the fact that ai account was discovered proves that human brain is better than any ai. Moreover, I'm sure that after this case we will trust our intuition more, think more and less act like robots.
I think we only missed it, because we were not aware that AI would be capable of such thing.
Now we humans are watching , so I don't think another AI will be able to earn so much money in a short time...
There are already other AI accounts.
well, with time these might be exposed..
If there is a new technology, we have to learn how to expose them...
It doesn't prove the human brain is better than any ai, just that it's better than that particular ai msgivings was using.
Wow. I'm entirely surpised. And overwhelmed. This is extremly sad for steemit and quite intriguing (and even scary for us, the flesh and blood earthlings).
I read a couple of days ago abiut the most advanced AI, Watson from IBM. I even make a post about it, but I never thought about the real power of AI. WOW. Amazing.
I'll not put the link here, I would be kind of embarrassed if so.
One more thing, the singularity, if I'm not mistaken is the moment when AI is self aware.
I hope we are far from there. That moment it's not a joke. The AI's decision about the necessity of humans doesn't feel like a positive one. There is little need for us (from its perspective ).
Thank you for your post.:)
Regarding your previous comment:
Pray tell, if the articles we have discussed are created by AI, then what, where and/or why is science missing the boat on this? AI needs to be digesting PubMed for it's content and generating new hypotheses and testing them. What is the holdup?
We are in a community where we experience the competition between human and bots directly. I just saw that the humans were able to outperform the bots in curation rewards. I am not an advocate of either or therefore I am curious what happens if an article is written by a human with the support of AI?
Please forgive me if this a stupid question but are bots necessary in steemit or external unavoidable forces? Sorry, I'm still learning about steemit here.
Shills everywhere who only care about making money:
I would take that claim with a ton of salt.
This is a very heart-breaking and eye-opening post. I feel that I am being stabbed in the gut knowing that I will be competing against AI for content, upvotes and placement of that content in the top queus. Is this what really Steemit was built for?? ?Just an elaborate, complex and deep ponzi and Steem mining farm???
I think a large part of the reason the AI earned so much isn't because it wrote amazing content, but the account just managed to make it to the "list" whereupon every strategic person + voting bots automatically upvoted its posts w/o much regard for the actual content thanks to the shitty curation reward system we have.