Mainly christianity - I'm not sure if Obama is a closet muslim, tho good case for it, but what I am sure of is that he's not a christian as he professes..
Mainly christianity - I'm not sure if Obama is a closet muslim, tho good case for it, but what I am sure of is that he's not a christian as he professes..
I think it's a little too presumptive to pin this all on Obama. It' more likely a symptom of a larger backlash in American society against Christianity. After years and years of Christians turning from "let's tell people about Jesus" to "lets tell people how to behave" it shouldn't come as a surprise that people will eventually push back. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that those who want to change how the government treats religious groups must join the government.
Coincidentally, we have a government full of non-geniuses...
Don't really c it as christians telling people how fo behave, christians are simply refusing to accept actions that are considered wrong according to their beliefs.
What does that mean? Christians accept all kinds of immoral actions from political leaders and the government in general. War, injustice, violence...
If you pass laws requiring people to behave according to your standards, you are in effect saying that to refuse it to become a criminal. That leads to locking people up or killing them.
Do you accept divorce? Do you accept the existence of porn? Do you accept Las Vegas?
The problem with that idea is that what other people think about what Christians are doing is what's important. People aren't going to fight back against an injustice you perceive, but rather they will fight for injustice as they perceive it.
People and society are going to be what they are, a christian (or muslim, jew, mormon etc.) who is serious about their faith will not support or accept any behavior that is against what is found in their Holy Scriptures. What the consequences are after that is not a consideration one either chooses God's ways or man's it's as simple as that.
So you would endorse making laws declaring divorce, drunkenness, orgies, and all the other behaviors condemned in the bible illegal, and throwing people in jail who do those things?
That is what it sounds like to say you "won't accept" that behavior.
Also, what do you propose to do when there is a disagreement about "God's way?" How do you determine who is correct?
"Won't accept" means going along with anything society deems acceptable that is contrary to what Scriptures say is. Christians are not told to put in jail anyone who commits sinful acts, if case there'd be nobody outside the jailhouse, but rather that all who do need to repent or face the possibility of eternal separation from God.
There is no real disagreement among most in the christian faith about what is sin in God's eyes, as the Bible is pretty clear on what constitutes it.
My point from the beginning was that Christians have been using political power to enforce their moral standards, and non-Christians have become hostile as a result. I brought jail into it because whenever you pass a law telling someone they can't do something, you are saying that if they do they will be thrown in jail. Voting for, supporting, and cheering on these laws makes a person complicit in the incarcerations.
Incidentally, it has been my experience that Christians disagree greatly on what constitutes a sin. Some say dancing is a sin, some not. Some say drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, or consuming caffeine are sins, some not. Some say homosexuality is a sin, some say just homosexual rape. Some say it's a sin not to keep the Sabbath, some not. If the Bible is so clear, why so many positions?
All I'm trying to say here is that the hostility growing towards Christians is in large part due to backlash over "evangelical politics." The "Evangelical Right" is so concerned with winning America back for God that they don't realize the end result of some of their laws is to put people into prison. That tends to aggravate people. I think Christians should be more concerned with helping the people "living in sin" than winning an argument with them.
I also think people give way too much credit, and way too much blame to the President of the US.
Scripture is clear in that this should be expected. Especially in the last days. John 15:18-20
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.
Indeed, a clear sign of the times.
I really don't see why people would be hostile towards religion. Unless that religion directly threatens the lifestyle of others there should be no reason to do so.
Agree, yet it's happening.
Sadly, being a white, heterosexual, Christian male married to a white, heterosexual, female in a "traditional" marriage with "traditional" with children being raised to have those same values is now vilified to highest power...
The Lord will reveal who is on his side and who are the pretenders; it saddens me that politicians will claim to be one way, yet there actions says that they are the opposite! We all need to pray for all of our politicians and people in authority, so that they do the right thing for our people and our country, even though they may have their own agendas!
Amen!
Amen!
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