Well I can see turning Hive into just a wallet when we have a truly decentralized second layer, soon thanks to @dlux correct me if I am mistaken but have talked to Hive Engine Devs and people working on Dlux's project who agree. As well as better transparency happen with our second layer ie How I lost half of my SPT curation and sps airdrop points when delegating My 1.2 spt to @spt-curate and told to kick rocks from HE Team. Got my full air drop points and curation back when undelegating.
Not sure who both sides are but I know a couple of PAL people who are associated with splinterlands that want to just turn Hive in to some liquidity rewards pool for some imagined 300% apr thing but who are the others?
Hive was deflationary for a short period of time but seems it now has a 7.5% inflation rate after upbit gained more liquid hive somehow from 60% to 70% of all liquid hive on the market. I am not seeing some massive devaluing of Hive due to large stake holders but rather consolidated liquid hive on upbit.
https://peakd.com/hive/@dalz.shorts/thinking-of-monthly-hive-inflation-and-supply-report
If you trust the second layer why wouldnt you lean in the second layer or just fork like you intend on doing anyways. In this argument you are making you are seeming spiteful without providing clearer stats. Do you have stats for the the users being flagged to 0? I have seen primarily just you, ura and the youtube celebrity link droppers who share their youtube videos mainly. Even then I am not really seeing Ura's posts to 0 surprisingly. Wouldnt we want to provide clearer stats for the # of users being downvoted to 0? It would appear that number would be less than 1%. I am in no way condoning the downvotes towards freespeech content or retaliatory flags but it does seem it is happening on a very small amount of users comparatively to the rest of the users on hive.
Ya, it seems between Hive-Engine, dlux, and SPK, there will be a strong, and more decentralized L2.
I don't trust L2 at all. Same reason I don't use any ETH L2s.
I'm not looking to fork Hive in any way that could be called a fork. Looking to create something with similar tech (maybe based on Hive's) but completely different ethics, incentives, and purpose. Not even remotely a "competitor" because they're nowhere near the same kind of platform.
I don't have any stats, but some folks off the top of my head: @krnel, @barge, @lucylin, @regenerette, @frankbacon, @frot, @logiczombie, @arabisouri, @ura-soul, and @jasonliberty as you mentioned, a dozen or more other folks that have popped up in the comments of my last posts, plus the other big name folks you mentioned like @joshsigurdson, @lukewearechange, @tlavagabond, @maxigan, @pressfortruth and so on.
Plus the many people who aren't account nuked - but nuked any time they make content exposing inter-generational organized crime.
I'm sure the people I just tagged can give a much longer list than I can.
Anyway, there's a LOT more problems here than just the one symptom of malicious down-voting, as you well know.
I just can't justify feeding the beast anymore - same reason I don't use banks, credit cards, Bitcoin, or Ripple.
Getting ready to run steempruner on both of my Hive accounts actually.
Contents censored, posts demonitized, reputation affected by a few whales including the top one based on political views, they explicitly told, even Zuck's committee of 'fact checkeers' couldn't remove links to such views anymore, apparently Hive whales can suppress.
https://hive.blog/informationwar/@arabisouri/a-couple-of-hive-whales-took-away-hives-worth-hundreds-of-dollars-from-me
https://hive.blog/informationwar/@hivewatchers/re-arabisouri-2022110t131535324z
Dude you are taking other people's content and not sourcing it and doing it repeatedly while then casting blanket accusations towards your critics by aimlessly calling them isis supporters? Your main form of defense is to call people terriorists? It is pretty wild the way you are aimlessly attacking others by calling them isis supporters, copying and pasting without sourcing your material while acting like you are innocent.
This is the lamest accusation someone ever cast against me, first of all, whose contents I'm taking and not sourcing? I'm me, I'm taking my contents and sourcing it to me, check me and check I, we're the same person. The site I'm sourcing is mine and I'm one of the two authors there, the links to the site source are there in every single post, so I taking content from me and sourcing me in my posts is totally opposite to your ridiculous claim.
That's for one, second, calling people who openly support ISIS as ISIS supporters is not an 'aimlessly attack as my main form of defense.' The person in question who I called as an ISIS supporter literally said that he 'spent time during the war in areas in northern Syria and Iraq' which were controlled by ISIS; and he is downvoting my posts in which I'm exposing ISIS and their crimes, there's a screenshot of his written confession in the previous post linked in the one above.. also, there are a large number of articles I've shared on Hive with links to my site which include testimonials, leaked audio confessions, footage, documents, and even western news reporting on the relations between NATO (the US forces, Turkish 'intelligence', and the British) with ISIS, Al Qaeda Levant, the FSA, Nusra Front, HTS, Hamzat, Sultan Murad Brigades, the Turkestan Islamist Party (Chinese Uighur). You're barking at the very wrong tree dude.
If you're new to this issue do a bit of research before casting accusations. Try to read the content you judge first, like first read my content then analyze my content then judge my content, do not judge my content on the content written by someone else whining why I duly accused him of being an ISIS supporter.
I'm responding to Your response to a Gaslighter for the "Crew"....
WHAT A COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARD!
The block, if viewed by the right kind of researchers shows that a TINY fraction of the few thousand users on HIVE are in control of a NINJA MINED STAKE that should be ZEROed out before ANY OF THESES OTHER RIDICULOUS IDEAS GET SERVICED.
Great ideas! But if the Original Sin is never addressed, everything that comes after will be corrupted... like it is now.
Long story short Bruv, ever since meeting you in 2015 I knew you were a big deal...
My suggestion would be to fold up HIVE/STEEM for BLURT in 2022 with your Tribe.
Without a Downvote button OR a concentrated stake in the hands of PsychoDorks from Portugal, BLURT would give you a head start in gaining back what was lost over the years of Whale Wars.
Ultimately, BLURT will jump ahead of HIVE/STEEM in value but those other chains will not go away... Which is why I personally will be doing my part to just get a few whales in front of some respective Regulators in their country and get them known to their community better.
HIVE!Regards
Have you looked at those accounts lately? Only frot is getting flagged to 0 that is making original content even then it seems he may have copy and pasted some time in the past and refuses to talk to hivewatchers. Press for truth yeah he is getting nailed for lazy copy and paste but even luke is killing it. Jason liberty yeah on the posts attacking the downvoters he gets flagged, which is somewhat expected. I am still not seeing this thing where all these people are getting flagged to 0. A lot of these people mentioned still make more than the average hivian.
Frank burned his bridge with me a long time ago dude is out of his freaking mind and has no respect for anyone not even people sticking up for him, in that case I deserved to be burned by him cause he is out of his mind. Logic edits same post over and over again while tagging LOTS of people and I have been trying to work with him to hopefully make his content a little more better than a edited post on repeat.
Well, if you find a community that is sustainable with food, water, shelter and has a reasonable system of governance not requiring energy exchange in the form of a currency; let me know I will be there in a new york min! I know a guy who is building one in Boise who needs @eco-alex's help. So I am not kidding. If you know somewhere where the water, food, shelter and governance is healthy and sustainable I will be there so fast! Until then Hive imo is a viable solution to supplement income so as to not have to get two jobs or work for a company like fiverr or amazon.
No, I have never copied and pasted any posts, several of my alt accounts are also being downvoted, I have around 100 ex Steemit or Hive friends who have quit because of downvoting, and well over 10 who are currently being downvoted just like I am.
HIVEWATCHERS?...LOL...
Well when i have seen spaminator it usually centers around just that. I have helped others get their stuff cleared up. But recently saw logiczombie getting refused for dlease cause of his posts speaking out to the downvoters.
Basically I'm an "anti-vax conspiracy theorist" and Steemit/Hive ex-orca being hounded off a platform that I've been on since Aug 2016, which is holding copies of well over 500 of my original blog posts, and using that content (along with tens of thousands of posts by other content creators, who in many cases have been driven off Hive) to establish itself as a credible blogging platform.
Some of those bloggers are amongst the best bloggers of the past decade, and they are certainly not putting any more of their content on this blockchain. In fact some of them have come back and deleted each of their old posts because they are so pissed off with what they have seen happening on Hive.
One of the large Hive insider accounts downvoting me told me to "Fuck off to Blurt where morons like me can all congregate together"
I am continuing to interact with some of them, who I'm still friends with, on other platforms such as Bastyon, which I now see as the only social media platform set up to overcome the global online censorship that I'm expecting to see ramp up within just one year.
https://bastyon.com
Kenny gave examples of people in this post for people being downvoted to 0 and you are only real valid example. So you have my ear. Who are these 100 people or rather the 10 currently you mention.
Not true, I was personally being downvoted to zero consistently for months, and @lucylin to this day still is. Others, too, if you just scroll back in time you will see with your own eyes. Also, just because the 'censors' take a break now and again, doesn't mean they don't start back up again. As they have just recently done with myself, as I am now, after a week of posting with no big downvotes, once again on the receiving end of zero out policy for posting my fact-based research and opinions that challenge the establishment Covid narrative, in other words for being a 'anti-vaxxer'...
7 day old post, downvoted to zero:
And if one thinks that is not part of a campaign targeting my account specifically (among others), one needs only look back a couple months, it's truly a sight to behold:
That's just a sample, there are many more, and more voted down from dozens or hundreds to pennies or a few dollars as well, many times because I waited for the curangel account to zero out post on day 5/6 before submitting post to freezepeach which in those cases redeemed a few dollars worth of value. So many of those low value posts through the months also were zeroed out before coming up to the 5 or 10 or 12 or whatever they were at payout time...
Zero out culture is alive and well here on Hive, it's happening, and you claiming that none of those listed by Kenny were having posts voted to zero simply isn't true. There are others, I've seen with my own eyes, so just because they may not have zeroed posts in their current payout cycle doesn't mean they aren't targeted. Also sometimes big weighted stakeholders who support the targeted user(s) comes in and reverses the zero payout or brings it up slightly with a big vote, but that doesn't mean posts aren't getting voted down to zero, they are, in large numbers, by a handful of select users targeting very specific scientific information, research and political viewpoints (namely, those that challenge the establishment Covid narrative, especially when it comes to the 'safe and effective' mRNA 'vaccines', and those that speak out against the Hive oligarchy downvote/zero out culture responsible for the targeting)...
Until VYB was set up I couldn't comment as @frot because my comments were being auto upvoted and then nuked. So I used the burner account @pube which was of course knocked down to below zero rep - not wanting to trash any more of my alt accounts I kept commenting with @pube anyway.
I'm a bit flat out today - gotta get working rather than being distracted by Hive - one to start with is @lucylin, I suspect that my association with him is a big part of why I was initially downvoted.
If I wanted to put in the time I honestly could come up with the account names - 10 is conservative. But right now I don't want to focus on this. I live in New Zealand - my country is being screwed!
I don't understand why you are attempting to downplay the BS on Hive, when you have been the one convincing me of how bad it is for quite some time...
Well I am simply engaging in open discussion because I support your efforts and appreciate you. Just I do not see how trying to wall off Hive as you are on your way out is going to benefit anyone. I didn't appreciate the downvoters for sure and engaged with them and had many conversations with them. But when people in the truth community like Frank and others can not have civil conversations and just wanna curse and scream and yell at the millionaires who are responsible for Hive even being in existence with their investments, I look closer at it all and see how people are only out for themselves in real life and esp in the truth community.
Who was there for me when I stuck my neck out for the people being downvoted? No one not even the people I was sticking up for. But you with HP delegation. Who was there for me when people like frank started taking my content like comments and using it in their battles against the downvoters unapproved... no one.
Who was there when I was ripped off by Splinterlands and my spt investment? No one. Ever wonder why I dug up that lawsuit? Maybe it was because I was ripped off and was tipped off by a witness about how splinterlands monopolized Hive.
The downvoters have always engaged in civil conversations with me and have made sense 99% of the time. The people in the truth community have used my content in their battles with downvoters, threatened violence, lied and plagiarized or even turn their back on me as I defended them on their own posts.
You have been my strongest supporter but I dont get why you ignored me when bringing up how My spt investment went way bad. So it is what it is and I love the heck out of you but not the truth community. Like you said these downvoters are supporting more content than downvoting and are feeding people all over the world.
A health brain works within a system to make it work for itself not revolt against it and destroy all opportunities.
In 5 1/2 years no insider whale downvoter has EVER engaged in civil conversation with me - on the very rare occassion they have commented, they have been utter arseholes every time!
Yeah, I get big downvotes on those, and on a whole bunch of other type of posts too, it was only because of systematic targeting by them against myself that I began to speak out against downvotes in the first place... Dozens of my posts have been voted down to zero or near zero (many only above zero after being brought back up by massive upvotes). I've had at least 12 posts zeroed out in the past 3 months which remained that way, more that are only above zero because they were downvoted to within pennies or a dollar of zero (when I called out curangel for 'zero out' policy, this began to occur interspersed with ones being voted down to zero) or because they were brought back up above zero with upvotes post-zeroing.
Yeah, they clearly dislike posts calling out their downvote policy, but it would appear they hate facts, research and opinions that challenge the establishment Covid narrative and 'safety' and 'efficacy' of the experimental mRNA Covid injections even more...
They are clearly pro-science while saying they are anti-government which I find hilarious. But I do see that despite the occasional post being zerod out here and there your content is heavily reward and would appear that it is in large part approved by these downvoters. So I am wondering how downvotes are impacting you in such a way to abandon Hive or be used as an example of how Hive is broken. You make a lot for your well written posts not even hating but it would appear that your freedom of speech centered content is largely approved its just when questioning the science. Which I agree 100% with you on the matter its all bullshit and the government needs to stop getting in the way with medical decisions made in private between you and you doctor. The government special interest groups and the clowns running the show needs to stop this nonsense.
Everything I post on Hive has been flagged to zero for months, and I also have a couple of alt accounts that have had the same treatment. Many of my friends have stopped using Hive because of the constant downvoting. As well as wiping my earnings it has also dropped my rep.
Yes, I seen that and have acknowledged it. You are being flagged to 0 on every post for sure and really only guy that ive seen being attacked so aggressively. I also see a spaminator flag on your content... Did you copy and paste once a long time a go without sourcing material and refused to go to Hivewatchers? I have told people to go to Hivewatchers to clear up such situations successfully in the past. I dont think in your situation that will work tho. @guiltyparties @hivewatchers what is the deal with frot? Seems he is one of the few people who is being flagged to 0.
I have been clear with many how I do not think flagging free speech is cool. It is the perspective of the downvoters that free speech shouldn't be monetized, I do not think that is cool and have been cancelled in real life for speaking truth to power. Losing a job for sticking up for people and standing up for their rights suck. But are you here to earn or to spread awareness? I think perhaps in your situation your content is not intended to earn but rather to send a message. I do think that 2nd layer solutions exists for what you are doing and to be honest from what I have seen a lot of people on hive do not care about anti science views and anti government views and want to avoid that conversation not to mention this platform isnt that popular or used by the masses. I have found myself isolated from many people and groups on Hive for my perspectives on my anti-science and anti-government views just like in real life. Heck, I have even found a large anti American bias towards Americans here where many discriminate against Americans for being American. So why even try to bark up a tree that wont get me anywhere? Just me though and I would rather work to find healthy solutions than to repeatedly pound my head against a tree on hive and real life.
I really would like to earn on Hive and if my objective here was to spread truth and awareness than the downvotes wouldnt matter since I would own my content and it wouldnt be deleted. I could easily SEO my content and make it available all across the internet. Heck, that is what the famous youtube celebs are doing here on Hive... Just cross posting their youtube videos here sending everyone to their web 2.0 platforms. I wish they used Threespeak instead and put more effort into utilizing the Hive platform where their content cant be removed.
Most of them do use 3speak, and those that don't quit because of its often days-long "processing."
23 accounts currently on list comment/post farming. 23 isn't "a couple".