@edicted vs @jrcornel: Who will win!?

in LeoFinance4 years ago

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Spoiler alert: @edicted never wins.

Everyone & their mothers are bullish on Bitcoin right now. Technical analysis looks good. On-chain metrics look good. Institutions are buying in record numbers. We've gone x10 in 9 months: most impressive.

But @edicted is not pleased with what he sees...

No, no I am not. I see a hostile administration moving in. Massive rounds of FUD hitting the news circuit including terrorist funding and undermining the Green initiative. I also hear whispers of scary strains of COVID popping up: more virulent, contagious, and deadlier than ever. Lockdowns are all but assured. Again, we've also gone x10 in 9 months. When does this party end?

My claim that Q1 is going to be a very bad quarter for Bitcoin is being met with a lot of resistance. After all, we are in the mega-bubble year and trying to trade during the mega-bubble is a damn fool's errand, to be sure. @jrcornel and I have started up quite the on-chain rivalry in bears vs bulls. The patterns of the 2017 run are popping up.

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Moral of the story?

30% retracements happen all the time in a bull run.

Do not trade during the mega bubble year, just buy the dips and enjoy the wild ride. The chance that you're able to capture value from the 30% swings during the thick of it is pretty small; just an unnecessary risk during all that upside. Fair enough.

However, I'd like to point out the only good predictions I've made in the past are based on the doubling curve: this idea that Bitcoin is doubling in value ever year, seeded at $100 in 2013.


Bitcoin Doubling Curve

20132014201520162017
$100$200$400$800$1600
20182019202020212022
$3200$6400$12800$25600$51200

By my count, the current value of Bitcoin is already trading past what it should be by the end of the year ($25.6k). Of course the mega-bubble takes Bitcoin x10 higher than the curve for a short time, so there is that. $250k-$300k Bitcoin is definitely on the table by Q4.

The main problem I have with the current analysis, as I've already stated a few times, is the doubling curve. I believe the curve shows us when the market is trying to price in an event early and about to fall flat on its face. I believe we're being signaled right now with the current run, but I've never actually visualized that on the graph.

That being said, if anyone actually knows how to chart this line onto TradingView let me know. There are so many things you can do with TradingView scripts but plotting a simple Y = X^2 line doesn't seem to be one of them. I assume there's an "easy" way to do it I just don't know what it is.

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I realize it's pretty lame and unprofessional to freehand it like this, but the blue line I've added here is the doubling curve. Because this is on a logarithmic scale it reduces the curve to a straight line. You'll notice that the first three 30%-38% retracements bounce pretty much exactly off the curve, and we don't break away from the curve until summer time. This is literally the only reason why I'm bearish right now.

Because where is the doubling curve right now?

2021 Bitcoin Doubling Curve

JanFebMarAprilMayJune
$13867$14933$16000$17067$18133$19200
JulyAugSeptOctNovDec
$20267$21333$22400$23467$24533$25600

Not even $14k yet.

This is what makes me so so nervous about Q1 2021, because Bitcoin was 0% bubbled during Q1 2017... and it is very bubbled right now according to the curve, making the current comparison between 2017 and 2021 invalid.

So in my opinion we are about to get the mega-bubble 6 months early in summer time, or the market was foolish and tried to price it in 12 months in advance. Considering the timelines and the price action of the last 9 months (x10) I'm going to go with priced in early. This market got hardcore greedy, and a lot of that has to do with the COVID crash.

Way back in March COVID rocked Bitcoin and sent us absolutely reeling 50% lower than the doubling curve... remember that? Remember the predictions of Bitcoin to $1000? Hilarious. We recovered back to the curve within 5 weeks. The doubling curve is strong.

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This is the doubling curve now on the same logarithmic scale, and we are trading massively above it. If one was to assume this is simply the first retracement in a long series of upward motions over the course of the year, this run is going to be way way way bigger than it was in 2017. Certainly, that's possible.

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Chaos Theory

Here's the problem: I already said this was going to happen. Even way back in March when we plummeted to $4k... I was like, "Wow this is going to create a springboard that sends us to the moon at the end of the year." I even made bets to that effect claiming $20k was all but assured. Have my readers forgotten how skeptical they were of that prediction back when Bitcoin was trading at $4k-$8k just 10 months ago? $20k Bitcoin sounded like a fleeting dream, but I saw it coming a mile away... in fact I was predicting $30k and getting laughed at pretty good.

Here we are, x10 later, and still everyone is like, "Well why wouldn't it just x10 again!?" Because it just went x10 and we aren't in the pocket of the mega-bubble... that's why. The market got greedy and tried to price this thing early, and now it's going to fall flat on its face just like it always does.

Perhaps I haven't emphasized enough just how much stock I put in the doubling curve. The price of Bitcoin can not float above the curve for a full two years. One year max, that's all we get. According to what I've seen we absolutely can not continue this run for an entire year and then spend another year deflating back to the curve. That's one year too long.

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Timelines

Everyone seems to think that we are for sure going to peak in Q4 2021, but what if that wasn't the case? What if we knew for a fact that the peak would come in Q2 2022? That's an entire 6-month difference. Wouldn't that flip a lot of these predictions on their ear? Wouldn't that give us plenty of time to deflate back to the curve in order to ramp up again later? My opinion on the matter is clear. I think there is a good chance.

Stock market

With Bitcoin this bubbled, the only way to expect more gains is if the stock market performs well concurrently. Blood in the streets on Wall Street will not be bullish for Bitcoin. So what do we have to be bullish about?

Is it the crippling pandemic? The administration change that's intent on mandating lockdowns and vaccinations? The infinite quantitative easing and money printing? The crippling deflation resulting from everyone being scared to spend their money? The crippling unemployment? Negative interest rates? So many people can't pay rent that they made evictions illegal? The unrelenting assault against the middle class and business owners?

Speaking of vaccinations, many think this is going to save the economy and it will just be business as usual by summertime. I have bad news... the damage has already been done, and even if vaccinations did have that effect of allowing the economy to resume as normal, it wouldn't matter.

Watching this economy is like watching a train crash in slow motion or getting a sunburn. It's a delayed reaction. If you're in the sun too long and you start to realize it because your skin is burning, then it's already too late. In a couple hours the burn will get worse even after removing the sun from the equation. Everything that's been going on has been stacked again and again and "solved" with unsustainable debt practices. The chickens are coming home to roost eventually.

This entire market is floating on nothing but fluff.

I can't think of a single good thing about this economy. Yet Bitcoin gonna continue mooning because 2021? Hm... yikes. It's not even late 2021. It's not even summer. Q1 has been bullish one time and that's when it was bouncing directly off the curve before and after the pump. Nothing about that scenario is like what we are witnessing now.

So what are the risks?

One must weigh the risks vs the reward. What is the risk of exiting the market during Q1? How high can Bitcoin really go? Looking at 2017 the price actually doubled after the 38% retracement in Q1. That would be $58k Bitcoin at these levels. That's a potentially devastating loss, although we'd assume the 30% retracement to $40k so it's not THAT terrible.

On the other hand, if the market does indeed deflate back down to $20k that's another 38% retracement. Sure would be nice to have fiat around to buy the dip in that scenario.

Also Ethereum...

These ETH predictions are insane as well. The network is so clogged. Gas fees are out of control. How can the price double from here when users can't even pay the current fees? There's a definite scaling barrier in play. Don't you guys remember buying ETH at $230 just 6 months ago? Guess not...

So what's the problem?

The ultimate problem here is that I need to focus less on freaking out over possible speculation and more on balanced positioning and hedging bets. It's easy to make a prediction of Bitcoin going up or down. It's much harder to make a recommendation as to what actions to take in the current situation. "Not financial advice" and all that jazz.

It becomes clear that the winning strategy here is to hedge our bets in both directions and reduce volatility to maintain sanity and not cave in to the crazy emotions surrounding these ridiculous price movements. Either that or just HODL. That seems to be a winning strategy as well when investing in volatile unicorn assets. Is it really going to be the end of the world if Bitcoin dips to $20k? A laughable question just a month ago.

Conclusion

Gonna write another post on my 20-point system and try to rein in this gross speculation. It is somewhat of a hybrid of dollar cost averaging but gives more wiggle room to gamble than doing so on a set schedule. The only way to safely trade this market is to set limits for ourselves and never move in or out of the market too quickly. More on this later.

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Ha, I hadn't seen this yet. Good post! Curious though, how do we decide who wins exactly?

Ah shit!... right... lets say $25k vs $50k?
Seems appropriate considering our convos.

Haha no way. My contention wasn't that bitcoin can't go to $25k. My contention was that being all out and waiting for a dip to $20k was not the right move. Also on that note, my other point was that if bitcoin were to fall to $20k, it would represent something different than anything it had done during all of the post halving 2017 bull market.

That being said if we want to have some contest... I really don't think bitcoin is going to hit $20k before making new highs (though I admit that it could, it's just not what happened in 2017). So, we could do something like this...

@edicted wins if bitcoin hits $20k before making new highs ($42k+)
@jrcornel wins if bitcoin makes new highs first

Not exactly my point, but I can go with something like this if we must have a contest. :)

CONTEST!

Interesting, because I feel like Bitcoin can still do both of those things. As portrayed by the 2019 fractal, this next bounce could take us slightly above all time highs (say $44k), but still ultimately crash to $20k before summer.


2021 Bitcoin Doubling Curve

JanFebMarAprilMayJune
$13867$14933$16000$17067$18133$19200
JulyAugSeptOctNovDec
$20267$21333$22400$23467$24533$25600

Essentially if it doesn't crash to $20k by August I lose.
Doesn't really matter how high it goes.

Considering May and June are amazing months for crypto it likely has to crash to $20k by April.

Maybe your doubling curve looks better if you normalize it by the increase in the USD money supply. The decline of USD has been more aggressive in the past year than say 2014-2017. Just looking at potential weaknesses in your model that you may want to consider in future to make it more robust.

Indeed that is a variable I've thought about... but whether USD loses 2% value in a year or 10%, that number is pretty small compared to consistent 100% relative gains every year against USD. I think the doubling-curve metric will only break under blatant hyperinflation.

In addition, while the value of the dollar may be declining, the value of other products and services is also declining due to abundance technology. This creates a scenario were prices aren't changing for certain things.

Also as the demand for certain old-school products drops (crude oil) this also lowers the value in tandem with the dollar.

And lastly, no one argued with me on this doubling curve issue until Bitcoin spiked above it three months ago. Now everyone wants to think that we've somehow set a new standard... I doubt it.

You know what they say... the market can stay irrational longer than your model can stay intact 😂

If you're in the sun too long and you start to realize it because your skin is burning, then it's already too late. In a couple hours the burn will get worse even after removing the sun from the equation.

That's exactly what is happening

I remember bitcoin going from $600 to roughly $3000 and all the fud around that time that it would crash to zero when it corrected 30-40%. In the end it was better to just hold and sell at the end of the cycle than stress over small corrections on the way up. I think it's a similar situation now just 10x the price.

I see the global markets either correcting or the more likely scenario of continuing to go up with the infinite quantitive easing from the fed buying up most the assets which will also benefit bitcoin as there will be more money in circulation.

On a long enough timeline we all win, that is if you don't get caught watching the action from the bleachers because you decided to get cute and dump at what you thought was the top. :) 80/20 rule FTW IMO

I like the analysis man! And very well has weight as we could see BTC at 22K again, but unfortunately we are at the beginning of the year not the end, so 14K downside would be no good. Guess we need the bubble to last another 10 months to be in line and hold 22K.

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Do not trade during the mega bubble year, just buy the dips and enjoy the wild ride. The chance that you're able to capture value from the 30% swings during the thick of it is pretty small; just an unnecessary risk during all that upside. Fair enough.

This. Just don't. I made by BTC and ETH buys a long time ago at a price far below the current prices.

The real question is when to sell and at which prices. I think it might be best for one's sanity to decide the price levels at which one is willing to unload and execute those trades regardless of when the market is ready for them in this mega bubble. If some of those levels will not be reached in this cycle, then wait for the next one.

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50% lower than the doubling curve

Which at least somewhat invalidates the doubling curve.

Or does “the exception proves the rule” kick in?

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We can see that the curve also got wrecked in Q3 2015 while the price of Bitcoin dipped back to $200. Seems like anything that far under the curve is just free money and I would even think about margin trading if it happens again.

It's not even an exception. The recovery from that dump was outright incredible. I would say if anything the COVID crash was some of the best evidence out there that the doubling curve is a thing. Even a worldwide pandemic that caught the entire world and market by surprise bounced back instantly.

It does show how the support isn't infallible though...
The curve is just an average... an Y = X line on the logarithmic chart.

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Imma just end for early April to see if you were right about the dip, all this big brained analysis is making me dizzy :D

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@edicted will win, but real winner is altcoins as BTC looses dominance.

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What defines winning exactly?

Yes, wise words, probably causing yet more cognitive dissonce amongst the clueless, but yeah, I'm just glad someone is seeing this and not posting moon bollocks.

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There are clearly smaller short-term bull markets and bear markets within the medium-term broader context of a 4 year bull and bear market cycle which is in the longer-term broader context of a bull market that has only gone up since creation. :) Trying to trade it is fine, if you can time it. Some can, most can't.

Bitcoin is not that difficult, it goes up and down like the ocean, with smaller patterns of repeating waves. Surfers catch waves, they don't have to wait for high tide.

What happens if bitcoin goes down to $23k or so, while you are sitting at $20k to buy and then it rips from there not looking back on it's way to $60k and eventually to $100k? Was it worth missing out on a $77k in gains over $3k more to the downside?

This is my point in all of this. Even if someone sells BTC at $40k and then decides to wait until $20k to buy back in, even if they get that dip and get back in, it's still probably not the right move because if that drop doesn't play out exactly like you expect and it wont' more often than not, the gains you miss to the upside dwarf the money you might have saved on the downside. On a long enough timeline it's not a good strategy.

I am waiting for the tide to turn back to upwards after a solid down - I'm guessing that will happen somewhere between 30k and 20k (probably closer to 20), and when it does I'll get paddling!

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Fair enough. Hopefully your strategy works out for you!

Looks like the "moon bollocks" weren't that far off...

Unfortunately "to hedge our bets in both directions" is more easily said than done. Maybe one viable road is hodling with some liquidity set aside. I do not like the discussions when to expect the next ath to determine the time the dip is reached. It should be the other way around.

The fees and transaction times are not a concern to the people currently buying. The big players are buying large junks and the fees are irrelevant - the smaller ones are buying on exchanges and never hold the keys.

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I guess this is why he was bullish...

The SEC has a new leader at the helm as well now... might be more crypto friendly than the last...