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RE: LeoThread 2025-03-17 08:15

Ah man, the hypocrites in this space kill me...

I see where the US Treasury says it is dropping requirements for shell companies to disclose who owns them, and everyone freaks out and says that it is traitorous...

WTF? Seriously? That is actually pretty freaking AWESOME!

It's getting us one GIANT step closer to a free market economy, the way things should be! Government overreach needs to stop hindering business and industry!

Who cares if corporations and rich folks use them to hide things, SO WHAT?? That's called financial privacy and it is a good thing!

If you think that it's a bad thing, you are probably a brainwashed socialist or communist and you need to get the hell out of the crypto space because it is not for you!

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Hear hear!! So true!

Freedom scares the shit out of most people because then it's all on you!

Yep, this is why you have people that still leave their money in the banks and think it's safe, lol.

I get what you say, but do you rally think we can get a globally fully free market when we have e.g players like China who uses the guise of capitalism, but then breaks all the rules just to get the biggest piece of the pie?

Sometimes I believe we have to have some protection in place in order to stop people from rippping us of. And no, it doesnt totally work for us in Europe, but we atleast have tried.

There is always going to be someone who goes for the bigger piece of the pie, that's the way a free market works. It's a giant competition, and if you are not smart enough to be on the winning side, well, I guess you will sit on the losing side and complain how it's just not fair. Life isn't fair. Life is a competition of resources, period. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

I get that, my point is still if people cheat its not a totally free market. Trump is correct when he is saying China has subsidised the entire menufacturing industries, which makes it impossible e.g american companies to compete, no matter of how much better quality they can produce.

And governments caused that. Actually this was all caused by leftist policies from Obama and Biden's eras that Trump is trying to fix, but of course, everyone has Trump Derangement Syndrome and can't see past their own biases. If governments would have gotten the fuck out of the way and just let business happen, this world would be in a much better place.

The whole point of my post is that if you are cheering on government regulation, you are not in this space for the right reasons, you only care about your fiat number going up instead of building an actual alternative economy that works outside of their control. That is why crypto is all about! Not pump my bag please Mr. Govt Man... LOL.

I get that and I am into cryptos like Hive and $LEO not because I think the government will pump my bags.

I just say its probably a utopia, and if you try to win the game playing by the rules when others cheat you will loose. Thats why Trump does what he does and thats good. He calls out the bs in this sense.

You will most definitly loose to China otherwise, because they dont f*cking care about the free and efficent market. They just wanna win.

Gotta learn how to cheat the cheaters. I wouldn't be where I am in life if I didn't learn how to roll on both sides of the fence.

And I am actually surprised to see a positive Trump comment from you, lol.

I, personally, will not lose a damn thing to China, because I am never selling the land or resources I have to make a quick buck. They would have to physically come to my property and try to take it from me, which good luck with that, because we are some heavily armed rednecks around here and shoot to kill, lol, many around here are also veterans who know how to fight. I am not apart of any tribe other than the ones that share my last name. That's a whole part of being a sovereign human being. I don't answer to anyone but me.

Lol I can see the good and bad with Trump. You just need to be able to put on the "glasses" he is wearing and what he believe.

My Trump critisism stems from his way of f*cking with Europe. But I am also glad because he has pushed us to distance ourself from the US. Lets see if we find any other allies in the world.

And lastly, maybe you dont, but if you are in the US you would see it. Just look at how Europe has changed because all the factories left and we didnt fight for them.

You said it brilliant.

I understand both sides. The other side wants to know if 99% of everything isn’t owned by 10 people, and to know who stands to gain from certain things. Makes perfect sense to me, though I appreciate your stance too

If the 99% wants more, then they need to get out and get it like the 1% has. It shouldn't matter who owns what. People tell me I shouldn't own the amount land I do, because it will take away from someone else living there, well, I say tough titties and I dare anyone to try and take my it from me.

The thing is with the whole 99% vs the 1%, this shows that 99% of the world are sheep and isn't smart enough to take what is theirs, if they were, there wouldn't be such wealth gap. The 1% are the ones who figured out the game and are winning. Why punish them with a ton of regulations? Just because they are smarter and play the game better than everyone else? Do you think an alpha wolf shares the organ meat of the kill with the rest of the pack? Nope.

I am and always be an ANCAP and feel that governments need to be stripped to bare minimums and things need to be ran and would run so much better if the private sector were able to operate freely.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want more regulation, in most cases I want less. I think anyone who wants to be autonomous should be able to be. If they have the land or if they find land that no one is using.

Then why have regulations showing who owns what? It's honestly none of anyone's business. Financial privacy is freedom.

Because I see a danger of more centralization of power if someone can keep secret that they own an entire city.

So the goal in my mind would be to preserve financial privacy for anyone who doesn’t stand to create a monopoly in theory or practice. And no I have no idea how to achieve that.

Dude, there are investors out there that do basically own entire cities. If not one, a small handful, so that's already a thing. Also another reason I own 64 acres of land in the country and do not live in a city. Cities are the definition of centralization, so naturally there will be a centralization of power.

I know. It’s why I have such a love hate relationship with the cities. I guess if I want to work towards decentralization, the place where I can get the most done is at the core of centralization. But when I buy land and a house you can be sure it’ll be in the country

I don’t see how that logic could be anti state though. By that logic the state deserves to control you because they figured out the game and tough titties on you buddy 😉

See what happens if you try to take it from them

please tell me how I’m wrong? Ive been trying to see how this works since I joined hive and was introduced to the idea of ancap. I agree with the idea of voluntary association, but I don’t see how a small group who end up own everything doesn’t become a state similar to what we have now.

The idea is just that that won’t happen because “free market good”? That’s it?

The problem is that the population has let it get to this point where the government and big players control everything, and they are perfectly fine with it until something effects them. It's sickening to be honest. If the population would go out and build their own wealth instead of sitting back waiting on someone else to make them rich or to give them a piece of the pie, then we wouldn't be in this situation. But it's human nature, you are going to have sleeping sheep, and then you will have wolves. The ones crying are the sheep that don't know how to do anything for themselves. Crypto was supposed to give us a way to opt out, but people turned it into a childish fiat casino and beg daddy government to pump their bags instead of doing what I am trying to do which is to build an alternate economy. I thought there would have been more people in this space that thought the same way, but most are still sleeping and only care about fiat number go up.

I don’t see myself as either. I’ll work with what I can work with.

I am for the decentralization of power. Period. I don’t think getting there will be a clear cut path. I think both sides have things to offer when you filter out the crazies whose voices get amplified by algorithms and media and who the opposing side always focuses on.

Human nature acts differently in different circumstances. Growing ecosystems that encourage both self sovereignty AND compassion is the only answer I can think of, and it’s gonna take a lot of trial and error, but I think we are on the right path (me and you).

The more experimentation and the more goodwill between people with differing views, the better. That’s all I really care about.
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I basically agree with you here although I try not to look down on people (sometimes I can’t help it 😆) because I see communists, free market capitalists, and traditional moderates as equally prone to “sheepishness” in general.

I think the old capitalism vs. communism paradigm is outdated and we are living in a centralist vs. decentralist paradigm now. Both Communists and Capitalists have the capacity to be centralists, as most are now, because even individualism and the idea of competition can be manipulated into promoting centralist policies.
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Yeah, you are right about that.