There seems to be an endless conversation around the length of content that is valuable and engaging for Hive.
In my opinion, the goal is to have a mix of content forms and an audience that is large enough to appreciate them all. I also think that if there was only short-form or only long-form, engagement would go down on average and would much of the sense of value, as people like to have content they can comment on fast, but many also like to occasionally have something they can sink their teeth into. When it comes to contributors, some will be better suited to delivering short, some long, some may do a mix - but hopefully whatever people choose, they will be encouraged to deliver their best.
So, what are your thoughts on short, long or a mix, and why?
Taraz
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It should be dictated by the content; as many words as the author needs, to take the concept in his head and dump it in mine.
This is an interesting choice of words. It is a trade on Hive, information gets dumped into the "mine" and a little value is extracted back out :)
There's no either, or. Of course a mix would be ideal. I've written posts that are combinations of long and short. Many words, but every few words or sentences is leading to a joke or a point. This one for example. It would be impossible to shrink that down to 100 words. Just because a few folks prefer short or can't focus long enough to enjoy long form, that doesn't mean the world needs to bend over backwards to cater to their needs.
Plenty of people do still read on this planet. This dude did some research. Plenty more out there on the subject if you look for it.
Nearly every time a musician or band made a long song that people enjoyed, the radio content police said, "It's too long and people don't like long songs, they like short songs." Those people who are not the creators of content have been wrong for decades. Creators have been held back for decades because of media dictators stepping in and making rules. Fuck the rules. Let people do whatever the hell they want to do.
A lot of people can't even make it through a movie without checking their phone these days.
I don't know if you remember that study or whatever that was done on the percentage of people who watch reality television. The poorer someone was the higher the likelihood they watched a lot. The percentage of millionaires that watched any at all was something like 3%. I am guessing that significant investors on average will sit down and read articles that support their own development, rather than scroll Instagram, mindlessly tapping the screen. But, that 1% of the audience isn't worth catering for ;D
a 6.5 minute song will never be popular - Bohemian Rhapsody
Yes.
I was thinking of standing in line at a place like a bank or customer service counter.
Each one of those individuals waiting has either a long form to fill out, or a short form.
Who listens to that asshole in line saying, "Come on! Hurry up! I don't have all day!"
Nobody.
The impatient types with a hint of entitlement issue are often loud, but typically ignored.
If people enjoy short form, that's great. What they need is an express line though. If all the content was automatically sorted so those enjoying short form could find it easily, there'd be no need for debate. What they're truly looking for is convenience. Yet what they would discover is how inconvenient life is when you begin sifting through thousands upon thousands of short form posts. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, *one eye catcher, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, there's another one. The people most interested in this madness often spend far more time looking for content, literally wasting minutes and hours, always on their phones, so they can find that 10 seconds of joy their happy meme gave them. But they don't have time for long form, they'll say.
Yes, you are quite right.
Buying cheap is rarely so.
The amount of time people spend trying not to spend much time doing something is incredible.
Most engagement in this world is quiet consumption. That's something else many are not factoring in to this equation.
Yes, a comment is considered engagement. Your short form post here did not receive engagement because it is short. When one asks a question, they will get answers.
A Youtuber might have 1 million subscribers, 100k views on a fresh video, 10k 'likes', less than 1000 comments.
The views and likes are also engagement.
One could place art on a wall. Many will stop, look, keep walking, even if they like it. Only a couple people might stand there and talk about it. One could write a humorous post, people at home consume, are entertained, and that's the point, then they move on. Only a few will comment to say it was funny, even fewer will have something funny to say in return. The silence does not make it a failure, especially if they've hit the upvote button, showing their approval. That's engagement. Even the one reading, enjoying, walking away without a trace is engagement. The most common engagement is quiet consumption though, especially when there are high numbers of consumers.
Yep, I agree. The quiet consumer online i the largest segment by far - it is just that the outspoken minority create the noise.
The other reason this content got engagement as it did isn't just because I asked a question - who asks the question has an effect too. if it was my first day on the blockchain, I don't think it would have received quite so many comments, other than those automated introduction ones... :)
That's true. A lot of content has consumers before it's even published. That takes years to achieve though.
It's also incredibly common. Good luck getting a million views with your first youtube video. Probably not going to happen. Probably won't be anywhere near the top 100 billboard music charts first time recording a voice either. Your grand opening might be a busy day. After that it's all on you. Common here, common in restaurants. Everywhere. Things are so bloody normal here yet often people think it's broken. Even the early incoming auto votes. No different than paying at the door before consuming the show, the music, the sports, the exhibits, the rides, etc. And of course, again, the established ones have more folks at the door before show time. Compare the line up for Star Wars to the line that doesn't exist from the franchise we've not heard of.
I think we should be aiming for maximum participation and engagement. So the shorter the better, I think. There are only a few people that can actually write long-reads to a degree where the content keeps engaging.
You're one of them :)
I think this is my downfall sometimes lol my posts get a bit longer and I know in the age of Twitter and character limits, the attention is short.
I would suggest to simply try many things and see which posts drive the most engagement.
Not entirely complaining since I send to visit others posts to get engagement but the engagement on my posts themselves sucks lol but oh well
As said, the problem is that if there is only short, I don't think it will do well, just as there is only long. Communities can be used to separate this, but it shouldn't be at the global level.
Maybe people here have short attention spans!
I think it heavily depends on type and quality of content so it would be nearly impossible to give a correct answer to this question.
It is true, with the attention spans that short it is hard to keep going through many long articles though i seldom find that problematic when reading your posts especially when i'm interested in the topic or can relate to it. Being honest, I've skimmed through some of them but spent more than average on the others, but that's the way we filter and consume content i guess.
For entertainment purposes i prefer short to medium (written content with illustrations). For educational well written pieces i do not mind long at all and naturally prefer longer ones with more detail in it.
So as for a platform, mix is better, as for an author, they have a pattern and that depends.
Thought i have noticed a few times, especially when i sat down and put up a long article, that it would get less engagement (not necessarily rewards as length might trigger some curation trails) as they might look intimidating (as your brain calculates available time and time needed for task completion then compares it to medium of information relevance and discards it).
But in general my comments under your posts are longer than my owns posts by far :) So there is another question. How long should the comments be :)
This is also how I write - I don't expect people to ponder every word, just find an area that they find interesting and build some thought upon it. It is nice when they relate it to the general arch also though :D
Yep. People have to play their part, the part they are suited for, experiment if they want, but find their place. Not everyone is going to be able to play every role.
I find that long content (in general) doesn't get as many comments, but the comments are of much more substance than the short.
That's because people that are really interest give it mo time and thought.
I'd say I'd have the same mix you're talking about. Not only people from the audience are different but also a person's mood and rhythm can vary. Sometimes you want to encompass it all in a glance. Or two. And sometimes you're looking for more. There's always more to look for. The thing is...you can provoke one thought with a few words or sentences and it might still be worth it spending a lot of time on it. A cascade of thoughts can bring you far and away.
People go to YouTube for movies as well as DIY tutorials - which is more valuable? It is going to depend on your needs and intention.
Myself I know that the only long form content I want to consume online are videos and audio.
If I want to read long form content then I'll want it as a book or printed document
What is the line? I listen to 3 hour podcasts, but write what is considered long form here that can be read in 6-10 minutes for an average reader. A 1000 words is an essay imo
Got to be a mix, which I think we have already although it's rare to see a well rewarded short piece.
This your shortest post in 3 years? :)
Likely there are a couple shorter, probably less than a handful
100% Pro mix it all up. Short, long or in-between, if it is interesting then it is interesting. People like variety, we have made for the big screen almost 2 hour long movies, (someone figured out that 2 hours was about the max time someone could sit on their ass in a theater seat). the 1 and half hour TV movies, the 30 minute sit-coms, and then some really long movies such as Tenth Kingdom and a few others. Oh and lets not forget about the on-running Series, and the option now-a-days to sit and binge watch them all.
Books/reading material are pretty much the same you have short, medium and long forms of them also, so a nice mix and variety of choice.
I agree and it is going to depend on the current mood as well as the needs of the audience at the time. I don't think there are many people who scroll memes all day.
I think so a mix is better to achieve more audience. However, there are different points of view about blogging on the Hive blockchain. For example, a teacher will be using the Hive blockchain as a database with long publications to have the information available 24/7. On the other hand, an influencer as you will use the blockchain to achieve engagement with long and short publications ;)
Hive a nice day!
The teacher side is interesting as it brings up something I will write about later - purpose of content.
A mix, obviously.
HIVE cannot be ascribed only to BLOGGING, we have to develop DApps for short communication. Despite blogging is ok, this kind of content is not currently on the trend type. People wants also to consume quickly, synthetically.
Yes, dApps for it would be great.
I disagree. There is a return to long podcasts and essays. However it is also going to depend on the individual - just because something isn't in trend, it doesn't mean it doesn't generate value in small groups. Often, it is the small niche markets that generate the most per capita. That is an important factor in a decentralized community, not very important for a mass market centralized social media like Facebook where there is only passing trends.
I think content is content - if you are interested in the topic and the post contains much value for you and your knowhow - it doenst matter how long it is. I read 500 word posts and 10 word posts and find both of them valuable.
It's like in video: The production quality and length of a video is not important - it is the content value distribution what counts.
totally out of topic: many posts on hive do not receive the deserved appreciation in form of rewards even if they provide super high value. Sorry I don't want to offend you because of the votes you've recieved. You are not guilty for that and I admire your work here and there and you probably deserve those rewards but on other posts..
But: In my personal opinion the rewards are super unfair distributed here on hive right now. You are asking questions, putting a stock photo in your post and recieve 46 hive? Hmmm. I wrote >60 more words in only 1min of my time with this comment. I think we could set fire to new hive users by giving them even 10% of what you got here.
I agree. The next question would be, if you had to pay out of your pocket, would you consider a spend of 10 dollars on a book okay? What about 10 dollars on a meme? As an individual, you will likely be able to justify the first - as a group, it might be a different story.
You don't offend me. Perhaps with SMTs there will be some differentiation available. People complain about my content not being short enough at times, but then they also complain that my short posts get rewarded. I don't set the autos. However, in general my content probably holds some value for some people and has done consistently over time - that should be encouraged, shouldn't it? People will question the rewards on this post, but if it was coming from someone else, they wouldn't bat an eyelid.
That is my daughter. I only use my own photos - 99.9% of all the content I use is my own, pictures included. Yesterday I wrote about 4000 words - the day before the same. You see? People look at the payout on one post, not the 3.5 years prior.
Hey, @tarazkp.
That's the whole question answered in a nutshell. What is the 'market' value, for lack of a better way of putting it, of short form vs. long form or just plain any form.
If people want to spend their time sharing memes all day, and nickling and diming each other for it, and call that adding value, great. Nothing stopping them from doing it now. If people expect to get high upvotes on their shared content—something they did not create, something they can't even attribute to because it's all but public domain, something they simply copied and pasted from somewhere—and then expect that gravy train to last very long, well, good luck with that, too.
I suppose, at this point in the existence of HIVE, it will depend on whether or not enough large accounts are for it or at least neutral to avoid hitting it with a barrage of downvotes when a cat on a roomba meme hits $50 HTU.
It sounds like 3Speak is going to be trying something like that, so there you go. We'll see what comes of that and whether they can avoid the pitfall Dmania created with their curation bot.
3Speak actually says they want original short form content, so if that's enforced, then maybe we have a chance of seeing something worthwhile.
Regardless, at this stage of the game, it's not about the content anyway. It's about how much you've worked to build up your network of supporters (friends, patrons, customers, whatever you want to call them), and just how frequently they actually manually curate, or check their autovotes.
Well, their "bot" was Zombee raping the delegation :D
I am interested to see if it brings in new creators and more importantly, consumers.
The benefits of decentralized media is that many approaches can be aplied simultaneously and eventually,m some will find a foothold, while others will wither and die. I have a feeling that at least in the coming few years, there will be a solid minority of people consuming long-form of various kinds, even while the majority will perhaps increasingly favor short to the point that what they are consuming is barely even content at all - just the odd flash of colored light :D
I am too. Videos, depending on what they are, can be pretty time consuming, even when they're under a minute. If it's someone droning on about technical analysis for 45 seconds—just the voice and screen backdrop—that's quite a bit different than someone who has a bunch of different edits, different camera angles, different people onscreen, music, etc. etc.
As far as memes and such go, it will be interesting to see how they go about that. What constitutes original? Does the photo and the words need to be from the author, or just the words? How much is smaller upvotes? All questions I'm eager to see answered.
I'd like to see what 'short' form content is adding value. I'd like to see what medium or long form content is adding value. And I agree wholeheartedly with the some will find footing and others will wither. If we let it. If people can just accept that, great. If they try to 'game the game', well, then we will have artificially inflated results that will only spark more controversy rather than resolve anything.
My feeling is, anything over 144 characters is considered long form anymore. :)
The problem I find with a lot of videos is that there is no space to really absorb what is said and think further, no self-discovery. In writing I can read at my own speed, stop and think for a while, ponder and synthesize.
Over the time I have been here I have discovered that the consumers of a lot content often struggle for new ideas. I put this down to lots of eating, not much chewing.
Even Twitter doubled it, didn't they? :D
As a society, we're moving farther and farther away from reading and writing into something strictly consumption based where we're largely entertained or otherwise occupied, where we don't have to really think, just feel. Or not even that in some cases. Just sit there.
So, when you say ponder and chew on things, you're among the dwindling few that actually want to engage the mind rather than react with pure emotion, or find some constant escape. Escape is great, but you can't live there and end up with anything meaningful.
re: videos
I agree as far as absorption goes, though someone must be freeze framing them to pick out every single Easter egg that everyone else missed because they watched it only once and then formed their opinion on it based on what little they actually absorbed. :)
re: Twitter
Yeah, and they took some flack for it, too. I've never been a fan of the original, so, they doubled it. Whatever. And people are mad that they don't have to cram as much of an idea into a smaller space anymore. :)
Ohh your picture just looks as good as a stock foto! Sorry for that
because you did the picture yourself your post valued up in my mind
I absolutely think that a longterm engagement and post quality is valuable but I also think that there is no balance right now compared to new users. I dont know how to avoid that and I am no blockchain specialist or whatever - I justed noted those wierd high rewards under many and not only your posts. Like I've said: no judgement / offence and yeah I hope that smart people will find a good solution for this..
To answer your question: I would pay more for the piece that takes the most time. A book in your example of course. A meme has short humourous value but tbh that's not the kind of content I would ever pay anything for ^^ my personal preference is videos / short or long movies /documentations since I am more a visual guy and I like to see/hear what the content is about. A well made 5 minutes video can transport so much more than a written text for me personally. If the video is well made and diverse enough my attention span is longer than that but I never will be able to watch > 20min gameplay or talking head videos. It all depends on content and production quality.
This is part of the reason I do it. I am not a photographer, so I can't really offer individual pictures that stand alone, but I am an enthusiast, so I can use them to support my story as a creative of some kind.
They are also ubiquitous and free on a million and one other platforms.
I agree, I used to love the pixar shorts and the emotion they could bring in short periods of time - but just think how long one of those takes to create.
I answered piece by piece before i got to this - but yep.
@tarazkp I believe people mostly have interest in reading short messages. Most people loose interest in reading long messages on screen. They prefer print form. I personally enjoy reading long messages on paper. The caption, short and straight to the point messages are better than long essays.
Regards
Most people don't buy HIVE either - everyone has their preferences.
That's correct
A mix. I personally have trouble with long content as I'm a very slow reader but if it's interesting enough I generally read long stuff.
Depends on the mood. People seem to think they are doing something of value when they consume a lot of short communication, they feel they learn something, even if they haven't understood it. But, this is the internet.
Having a variety of content is important to give a platform like HIVE good engagement, and that bit of diversity; depending on the person, or their particular mood, or just how much time they have. Short, long, mixed lengths... The most important thing is that you have fun while doing it, and it proves meaningful to yourself that you made it, and that someone else might enjoy it, too!
That said, while I sometimes prefer shorter post lengths, I do ramble on a lot. Once I start, I get too much into it, and I can't stop. Sooner rather than later, I've typed out 2,000 words, even without adding any fillers to it... :-)
Diversity is an important aspect for a content platform to cater for all needs. People buy a lot of takeaway food, but some want to sitdown at a nice restaurant and enjoy a good glass of wine also. McDonald's makes more money than a fine restaurant - should we encourage the consumption of more McDonald's - or a home-cooked meal?
There's certainly the need to have a bit of something for everyone, and an important part of HIVE would be to present itself as a welcoming community. Whether you're writing short stories, lengthy blogs, posting artwork, or sharing videos, you'll know that there's at least one more person out there that enjoys those things. Fast food, fine dining, or home-cooked meals... Why not have all those things, just do what you want, and have fun :-) Cheers!
For sure - and I think that this is what I have generally done when I create and consume, as I don't really have the time to try and bow to popular opinion.
You do you, mate! I love your great content (along with your bro's ) in any way, shape, and form :-)
Definitely both as there will be always people interested in both. I think hive is a awesome platform for artists (photographers, Illustrator, Designer and so on) and they usually do not write 1000 words or more. Of course exceptions prove the rule but the majority only writes 3 lines and adds the art. On the other hand there is people who have the gift of writing and they should because there will be people who want to read it.
I remember a girl on steemit, she was releasing whole chapters of the book she was writing with thousands of words and people were crazy about it.
Yep, and those interested in one, might not be interested in another - but having both generates value for all.
A mix.
Love @taskmaster4450's content. His videos are about 15 to 20 minutes long but I listen to them at 1.5x to 2x speed. Works fine. @louisthomas' videos are usually about half that long but he talks a bit faster so I can rarely listen to them at 2x. :)
You tend to be a bit verbose at times but your ideas are interesting.
@theycallmedan's videos are really inspiring and he crystallizes ideas very well. They can be a bit long but I can speed them up on 3speak if I'm pressed for time.
I don't think the length of the content is key. You have to maintain the interest of your reader or your viewer. The value of a post as perceived by the recipients has little to do with the length of it, although the work it takes to create them is correlated to word count or minutes (when played at normal speed). The amount of work you put into creating a post has no value by itself and the amount of work that goes into a post cannot be measured by its length. A single image can be the culmination of years of effort.
It depends on what a person is looking for at the time and, what kind of person it is. These days, people think that getting told something short and brief means that they know it, but it doesn't mean they actually understand it.
E=MC2 is a very short piece of information and very much to the point, but what background does a person need to actually know what it means?
There is such a thing as excess verbosity and it's got nothing to do with leaving out information that must be spelt out to the intended audience.
Have you ever looked into NLP? it is interesting.
I've heard of it.
It is worth looking into if interested in how language can affect learning and behaviour.
In the name and on behalf of Engagement:
Long: Don't even think about it. Not even in joke.
A mix: Nah! shows little trustiness and consistency.
Short: Yeah! short. Short, short, short. Go short!!
Don't even bother with words or pictures
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Will do
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if you are in a rush
mix it up
up mix it
I put a similar question out the other day and most of the answers was short, and particularly for me I prefer it short. I like long content and I follow long content creators, so if I am visiting 10 blogs per day for example 8 will be short while 2 will be long.
I think this is what most people do, they consume a couple longer form, then break it up with many more short form content. Most people wouldn't feel the value for money going to the cinema, paying 20 dollars and getting a 3 minute clip of someone falling off a bike in slow motion :)
There is not much difference, the main thing will be that the content is interesting and involves a large number of users and transactions.
https://twitter.com/Andruto2/status/1259784758982311936interesting content is hard to come by if there aren't interesting people. :)
Everything has its own interest.
Always a mix but again mostly inclined towards small content. My long content never touched more than 1000 words, and that's what I want to consume too. I usually reads it which is around 300 words which is short for many. With the "Ask The Hive", community I love to post more short contents than long.
nothing wrong with short content, but without the long, I don't think that it would be consumed well long-term and people will drift away as it is available everywhere similarly. The mix allows for people to flex throughout the space.
Mix is good, but IMHO consistency is the key, if you dont have time to create long post, you can actually rang about something with small content and thus you kept the consistency going
I mam going to say that "consultancy" is consistency :) Yes, I agree. The trouble for me in this case is that I will often get rewarded based on my account development, so short posts will get autos - but my longer posts will likely get larger manual voters on top also. If I only did short posts, I think people would be pretty upset :D
Sorry, auto correction sometimes sucks. Yes, I can understand your situation, hopefully I can also post long content more often.
I know some that produce more wholesome posts in 50 words than I do in 500 so the mix is a good thing.
It may be interesting to have a reddit style hive/ community where people can just shoot the breeze without having to think their post needs to be an opus. May the rewards are set to 100% to the Hive itself and then distributed based on engagement.
I think communities should be ultilized more in order to separate content, as well as the development of real apps that support it. There still isn't even a decent mobile app...
What do you want from a mobile app that @esteemapp doesn't provide?
I guess you haven't tried Esteem, yet?!
It has been a while, I will give it another go.
I see, thanks. Of course we are constantly making improvements. So if you are not mobile first user, it is still good to have notifications and on go reply option with multi-account and many other wallet and social features.
I am happy that we have Esteem but I do find it a bit buggy and I have to restart it everytime I need to update the feed. Is this just my phone or is it a known bug?
Did you try pull down to refresh feed, also changing Feed to Top or Hot will update the feed so there is no need to restart. Maybe you are experiencing some other issue, if you could elaborate more on issue you are experiencing, we could try to fix that. Also mention your device type, please...
This post gave me much to think about and I'm in the middle of writing a response focusing on who we should be writing for in order to help bring new people into Hive.
Post size is one part of it, but the subject matter is also important, and we need to decide on best practices going forward to create a vibrant, bustling community that will sustain itself for years to come.
I don't think we should be writing for anyone, I write for one group, you might write or create for another. Enough creators, we can attract everyone. The idea of decentralized content delivery is that we are able to produce independently and find our own niches, isn't it?
The best practice is, support what you like and enjoy, encourage others do the same.
That's exactly the point I make in my post. It also depends what you want Hive to be. A corner for the crypto-enthusiast? we've got that down. However, if we want to grow Hive, I'd obtain we should support a much more diverse pool of content creators than simply the ones trending about cryptocurrency, Hive and the blockchain.
You say you want an audience that is large enough to appreciate the different post sizes, and I agree. We just see slightly different ways of getting there.
Or, we can just continue doing what we''re doing and remain where we are. It's up to us.
Communities are where we find that diversity of content outside of crypto that the masses will find an interest in. I 'd like to see communities become an even bigger part of what a potential new user is exposed to so that they hang around and make Hive a home.
I see this as a centralized approach, where everyone has to adhere to a chosen culture, rather than building a full spectrum of methods and approaches that can be far more flexible and adjust indefinitely. All centralized approaches fail eventually as they tend to institutionalize and protect themselves - meaning they don't change well when change is necessary. One approach is the biggest risk there is.
The phrase about "best practices" from me simply means voluntarily supporting diverse content with our upvote through expanding communities. I wouldn't be here if I favored centralization. Hope that clears things up.
The "full spectrum of methods" is exactly what I'm talking about. Those that want to blog crypto 24/7, feel free. The rest of us can add value by creating more diverse content for everyone else. I want Hive to be a big tent open to all.
okay cool. Yeah, the distributed community has to be supported by distributed content too, as it is a risk management process. For example, while short content is popular today, it could be that in five years, long form is getting traction again - if we no longer have any long form authors, ded. :) Maybe not a good example, but content runs in trends and while fashion colors come and go, classics are timeless.
Definitely a mix of content! I don't encourage short posts at all, but there is this kind of people who are not so good at writing stories and they manage to share a whole story trough a single pic or video, which changes everything radically!
But at the same time, we also need longer posts to actually learn something and spend time well while reading some posts.
I think the general feel is mixed is good, to cater for different types of people. I would suspect that while the audience that consumes longer material might be smaller, they might also be more engaged and possibly, more invested on average.
Thinking about what I personally prefer while browsing through posts here, is a mix of content. Long and short are both ok if you ask me, it all depends on the quality. Some pictures speak louder than a thousand words and therefore don't need a huge amount of text, wouldn't you agree?
Some days I feel like reading some more heavy topics which interest me, other days I feel like only browsing through pictures of artworks to find some inspiration. Those are usually already enough with little text if captured well on camera.
I do feel bad that I'm not as much engaging as I'd like to be (yet), due to other things keeping me busy, but on the other hand, it's a real-life project that I've been wanting to do for years, and finally it's being done. So I will just engage whenever I can.
Curious to read what others feel about the topic, so I will keep an eye out for these answers :) Have a great day!
https://peakd.com/@tarazkp/worth-a-thousand-words-really
So far, a mix seems to be the majority.
If we're not liberal about what is acceptable here, then the place will have little value to the vast majority of ordinary users, who are not bloggers or writers or youtubers etc. Being a network only for a certain kind of people is self defeating when the primary competition between cryptos is based on network effect.
So mixed?
I think the whole idea of content on Hive is about being liberal, letting people post and engage how they chose and then let the market decide what has value.
Yeah mixed, but really I mean all kinds of content. Of course it will always be a debate about how it gets rewarded.
i would prefer a mixture of content and let the qurators decide which one is valuable by showcasing that with the weight of upvotes that get rewarded to it. Thanks so much for this great idea.
I think that is the premise of the platform, wouldn't you agree?
I prefer short content. I typically only read short posts, except for a few people I follow. Ironically, all (or nearly all) of my posts are long lol. Perhaps its a remnant behavior from a time when I would only get voted for excessivly long posts. But ultimately I dont think that many people want to read long winded articles so I'm thinking that short is the way to go. Maybe long posts if they are sporadic and the idea warrants a long explanation. Thats my two cents.
Maybe, or perhaps that is what people also prefer to upvote higher?
I think it will depend on the contributor. I see a lot of trash content where there isn't even a basic idea for it, Facebook kind of stuff - yet they still expect rewards on it. Maybe some get it, but I am guessing that consistency develops account value.
Yes those are good points. Consistency may play a factor and it may depend on the users audience
I think a mix is the ideal.
The worry is that there are not many readers out there in my experience and they tend to go for the short content. Time is also a factor for many in busy lives.
Then we have the medium segment that likes the set 250 words minimum option.
Finally we have what I call the long term readers, and I am fortunate to be able to speed read. They are a select group that loves to read.
In between the three mixes that I have stated above there are also many reasons for mixed content and lengths of posts, due to the differences in people's likes and dislikes.
Content should be varied to cover as many topics as possible.
It definitely is, which is why people should spend more time on what has value, and less time on what doesn't - people themselves are the judge of that - we all make our own beds.
I like the variation that comes through my feed and would switch off if it was all shortform - even if I don't read all the long posts that come through. I am not a scroller of useless, I like something that adds some value to my experience in some way.
Agreed, I see many shocking attempts, well not really shocking, let's rather say poor attempts at posts whenever I go on a scroll. A post had 3 photos and 2 one liner quotes for instance.
At times I think that the world is becoming obsessed with short cuts and quickies,
Mind you one can then post 4 or 5 posts per day with these kinds of posts.
More money I presume!
Mix. I'm good a blasting out quick thoughts with links that have value, provide interesting information, etc.
But, I hold back on posting anything I think might be seen as too short. I don't want to rub the community the wrong way blasting out quick thoughts that may be perceived as little effort posts even if they have valuable information or lead to interesting content / projects / etc.
I often skip following links (unless very interested) in posts. I think it is because I am generally not a "down the rabbit hole" personality - but unsure.
Often those who only offer short form, don't gain a lot of support long-term. This might change in the future though.
The answer definitely is a mix of whatever people wants to consume!
The real issue with the "quality" of the content here (plagiarism set aside) is that content discovery sucks. Humorous short content get mixed with excellent STEM research articles... Or a thought provoking standalone image get entangled with a travel log with +10 breathtaking shots... I think that sorting out the content for people interested on specific types would be the best outcome...
Also,
Get Rid of the Trending Page!
Current state of trending page only shows who's linked with the big wallets, that's the ugly truth... Sometimes the quality of the content March the rewards, but that's rather an exception... No offense intended but that's how content is currently sorted... I think that a trending page for every type of content like travel logs, sci-fi, games, blockchain related, personal blogs, science and tech, humor & memes, engagement, videos, music, sports, freelance, food, pets... There are so many topics people browse in a quest to find the next jewel that just let he/she get informed, excited, amused, etc.
yes, yes it does.
There is a trending page for each, just click a tag or go to a community.
Definitely a mix and Communities are the answer. There should be no such thing as a shit post here. If you don't like what someone posts, move on.
The rewards involved coming out of a common pool complicate this. It would be different if it was all donation. However, the common pool makes for a much more dynamic and intertwined experience that will hopefully gain traction in the future.
i think a mix is the best. But this also depends on the topic and the quality of writing.
topic matters - long jokes can be very funny - but not usually ;D
I think that mixed as long as it is an attractive and interesting content that can nourish our knowledge, and make the hive community grow. Greetings from Venezuela
Attractive and interesting is going to depend on personal preference. This is why mixed and diverse is better than homogeneous.
Most readers prefer short stories while Google said content is a king, it should be long. But Google didn't define how long is a good one and how short readers prefer to read. In opinion sir, it could be great sharing a mixed form of story, sometimes short, sometimes long.
I am not sure if most prefer short stories - as most who read buy books. Books are getting shorter though, but 100+ pages is still the lower end.
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I cannot understand how this is going to sustain itself when you want me to buy credits to post quality original content. Incredible.
What?
I’m all in favor of everything. Full blog posts, tweet style, Instagram type, etc. However, I do feel that the “premier” sites like hive.blog and PeakD need to find new ways to present different formats, or not present them at all. The friction mainly occurs when people are on a front end they see as a “blogging” site and are confronted with short form or image based content. These sites should find ways to “widgetize” this content (sidebars etc.) or filter posts based on the originating site.
Making it a little more (easily) customizable would help, allow people to "install" the interface widgets, wordpress style. Same for making a blog, each could have at least a somewhat unique design, even if the first ones were set templates.
Whatever floats your boat. I think that having a bit of both is the best - some people prefer short and to the point and others enjoy the ´deep dives´ with loads of information. I would suspect the everyday person here who comes from Facebook or Twitter would like shorter content in general.
In general perhaps, but i don't think there are "short content maximalists" - most will find something of interest and want to read deeper, at least occasionally. If there is only surface level and all the depth comes from off platform content, hive is just another Twitter.
Freaking mix if people actually want it to mainstream.
If there's still fuss being kicked up over the short stuff (does anyone complain about the long stuff?) I'm sure someone somewhere will get angry enough to make a platform to filter it out eventually XD
They are complaining about the long stuff, "no one engages with it" :D
Clearly I'm out of the loop XD
The longest post on the Hive chain thus far
https://peakd.com/@jacobpeacock/a-story-book-one-part-one
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Was it worth the read?
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I look for funny content, length doesn't matter( that's what she said) lol.
Wow
for reals.