Now don't get me wrong, I realize some of you don't like referral links and that's quite understandable considering the history of the internet of scams, MLM's, all relying on the greed of many being the recruiters to trick people into buying into stuff. Unfortunately the same goes for most of the crypto projects as well, but hopefully over time that will improve too (although doubtful :p).
On Hive though, no one's really forcing anyone to "pay up" to participate, store their content immutably and maybe even earn some cryto along the way. So if you ignore referral links cause of the stigma behind it that you think the person you're trying to onboard it is going to shy away due to the link then that's okay, but if you're doing it just because of your own issue with them then I wanted to create this post to maybe change your mind about why they're important and help some of our retention and curation initiatives. Maybe you could even explain to the person that you're onboarding a little bit about Hive and how at no point are they going to be forced to buy stake to participate in the ecosystem, just that it's a big bonus for them to do so if they want a jumpstart in growing their stake in our decentralized world.
We have the @lovesniper initiative which is quite simply coded but does a lot for retention in my opinion. All it does, (and this part is also open-source created by @rishi556 so it can be shared for other communities to use it if they're interested), is notify us in Discord when an account makes its first post. It shares who that account was created by (@ocdb for instance), what kind of tags that first post has, username and title and a link to it and most importantly who the onboarder was/who's referral link was used.*
Here's how we use this simple tool to curate and help guide users towards communities.
We have curators take turns to open these links up, if it's some simple testing posts/short posts we recommend them that creating an intro post letting us know about their interests would be nice so we could better direct them towards communities they may be interested in. If it's an intro post then we read the gist of it and recommend some communities where they may want to post their next post into and connect with the people who actively run it. We also always ask how they found out about hive/who onboarded them. This is kind of important cause currently we don't have any active marketing so it's always interesting to find out "what's been working" and most of the time it is word of mouth from other Hive stakeholders, but some times it's also scams/fake ID/etc so we have to be careful with what posts we curate and often we may not even curate posts even if they look legit. Instead we then also follow accounts that we feel are genuine/have shown signs of being legit users.
This then opens up another initiative for us which is curating lovesniper's Following list which anyone can view of any account on hive by simple typing @username/feed after the front-end link. On @peakd you can also add filters to exclude reblogs of the accounts Lovesniper follows which makes it easier to scour through all users it's following to make sure you don't miss any posts.
As you can see there's quite a lot of curation demand there but it doesn't mean that these posts are void from abuse/plagiarism so curate at your own discretion. We always try to get through these and have a handful of curators checking the feed a few times per day but we of course always welcome curation from the community or if anything engagement, followings, etc. Then once the accounts we're following reach a higher reputation we expect that at this point they're aware of communities and other crucial things Hive so we unfollow them to make room for other newcomers in our "lovesniper pool" which currently consists of 9277 accounts.
Going back to the question of the title. *When you onboard someone using the referral link it'll leave a "trace" if you will, on the new accounts showing us that this user was onboarded by you or at the very least that this user used your referral account. This is important to know cause we've had cases where someone for instance would use my referral link of @peakd or hiveonboard (both use hiveonboard & ocdb's account credits) but I personally had no idea who this was as I hadn't directly onboarded them and then they were found out to plagiarise and people pointed their fingers at me.
So this brings another important point to the onboarding, stay active with who you're onboarding. Peakd and Hiveonboard usually send you a memo letting you know of the new user that was onbaorded using your link so you can follow them and maybe delegate some RC towards them and when they make their first post it would help the @lovesniper initiative and probably a lot of other stakeholders if you either curated or left a comment towards the post and most importantly had a good reputation as a Hive user. This goes a long way as a "vouch" towards our curators that the post they're reading of this user that was onboarded is most likely legit and that the chances of there being plagiarism is smaller.
So this is basically a reason to use your referral links when onboarding people to Hive. The rewards are of course not a lot and the beneficiary settings can be removed by the owner of the account at any time which is how it should be but at the same time these users wouldn't have received any rewards had they not found out and given hive a try if it wasn't for you. It's a nice balance between alright well as a start I guess my referrer can get some of my rewards but eventually I'm going to remove it which we're also fine with it working that way.
One last thing I wanted to mention about onboarding is that we have a dedicated onboarding program in our Discord server where you can apply as an onboarder and there your reputation and activity on Hive matters a lot as well. Compared to the method mentioned above, though, our links are different and unique, can only be used 1 time so it's more for direct 1on1 onboarding. We then also offer a lot more perks and rewards such as post rewards from @ocdb compilation posts, delegations from @ocd-witness and curation of your posts if you're and underrewarded author on Hive. This so you can spend more time focusing on onboarding, curating your onboarded users through us and making sure no abuse/plagiarism is occurring. We've had quite a few users join, some stay for a while but go idle but many sticking to it and onboarding quite a lot of people to Hive who are still very active today which is nice to see:
The amount and retention stats have been quite decent and the way we have it built up is quite scalable so we're always looking for new interested onboarders to apply and hopefully be invited to test it out! But also for those not in our onboarding program we're always trying to make sure we're curating your onboarded users and helping with retention.
Thanks for reading, onboarding, curating and being social users on Hive which has helped the platform remain very active during these markets and in my opinion very bullish for the near future.
Wow! You're an onboarder too @patsitivity? Galing Naman... Wow! I am proud to be one of those 25 you onboarded @tpkidkai. Hopefully madagdagan pa Yan and hopefully that 25 will stay.
I don't know if when I will have the guts to teach others about hive, i think I need to learn more first. Though I already shared to some about hive and waiting for some hive ph onboarding seminar to let them atleast listen.
They are just amaze upon knowing that I was able to bought a cellphone because of hive. Now, they are curious about hive.
Take your time but I've heard from many onboarded users who eventually learned enough to onboard people themselves that it feels very rewarding to do so. Not cause of the incentives we put to the table at @ocd but in general seeing how the people they've invited are thriving, free to write and do whatever they want, at this time happy to not have to see ads everywhere and slowly but surely be rewarded and grow their stake alongside others.
And yeah, sharing on Twitter through @poshtoken there's also been some that have mentioned having people interested in what this platform is they're posting onto and making their way to their own account here as well. :)
Hopefully soon, but if I can't onboard somebody but atleast I can let them know about hive and refer them to those onboarder.
Just be you Jen - a first-hand experience from you will be way better than the rest of the onboarding webinars combined as you can share what are the things that you had learned so far. If in case that they need help and guidance the team will always be ready to answer questions to help them out in the journey. Being an onboarder is a great experience as you will have an impact on someone's life by using Hive so don't be afraid to share it with others too! Though you may get rejections along the way, as long as will be able to become active and thrive here that will be your success story!
Thanks for the encouragement as always @tpkidkai. God bless
I actually don't use my referral link very often, but I would consider trying it again. One person I referred was someone who I helped to teach about blogging, before I was active here. Unfortunately after I referred him, I found out that he had become greedy at another platform and was stealing pictures. Thankfully I found out before I really showed him around Hive, and he never became active here. I've helped others get onboarded since and am happy with the results, but that one bad actor has me wary about having other accounts so closely associated with mine 😢
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Yeah unfortunately there's some of those that no matter how often you warn them and explain that due to the way rewards work here you can't just steal text from other places or post images without sourcing etc, they still do it thinking they can get away with it. It's kind of weird and embarrassing, especially since they tell you a whole lot about themselves in their intro posts and indirectly link their facebook and other socials to their accounts to then instantly start plagiarising. 😅
Oh well, I guess they realize quickly after why the community doesn't tolerate that, lol.
Oh he knew better. And to make it worse, even made up stories about the content (drawings, paintings, and vacation pictures). He just thought he could get by with it... Once I found out, I stopped dealing with him. It was quite a shock :(
Whats your opinion on AI generated art? We have been seeing people post AUI geenrated art on hive for years on @alienarthive since BEFORE it was controversial
now all of teh sudden i9 see idiots group thinking, getting offended for no reason after seeing AI generated art, acting like its somehow stealing from other artists lol, its pathetic. People cant even get consensus on that so theres never going to be any sort of nice place in teh future free for artists without censorship. There will always be assholes out theer on every chain censorsing everything forever, acting like anyone who doesnt struggle and suffer like them, is cheating. Otherwise we would be using openai tools and ai arty generators to make all sortsof content and nfts on hive, and we would see the ai art generators used for games like splinterlands etc, but nah, well just see a group of "human purists" go around downvoting aui generated art on hive, watch lol
we may end up having to fork hive for pro AI generated images and content, i bet that hive fork would end up winning out
It's not stealing, it's an accepted way of creating something new.
Like any other art form, it depends on how much the artist puts into it whether or not they will be successful. Even with the technology available to allow anyone to create art, effort still shines through.
I know of one very good author who spends at least 90 minutes on her text generated AI images, tweaking them to just what she pictures. This is in addition to the actual content of the post!
Hopefully just like photography, modern art, and short form posts such as Zapfic we will be kind, and give support when and where it's deserved. While not awarding like $30 to someone who only put in five minutes of effort on the whole thing.
Why would we fork Hive over something like that???
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Where do you even get your hive referal link? Ive only ever seen referal links used for steem or hive front ends like ... peakd or busy.org or @dbuzz https://d.buzz
if we had a hive engine referal program now thatd be nice. or something that worked for communities. id love to have a front end that lets you sign people up and they only get their posting keys so they cant change the default beneficiary rewards for all their p[osts, really force someone to pay you like 50% of their post rewards for like 6 months , then we could make onboarding lots of new users really profitable, and i mean brand new clueless content creators who are used to getting paid $0 ... and who will be happy to get whatever hive/hbd/he tokens they earn every day from posting.... not knowing that 50% is being taken as a referal tax for at least 6 months. or longer!
I used my Ecency referral link. I don't know if there was any benefit...
I think they have the right to know... But they should also know that unless they're selected for a free account, they'll have to pay a small fee to get a full account instantly.
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You earn referral reward in Points, when person you onboarded is actively engaging, earning their first ~250 points.
Oh, I didn't know, thank you :)
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This is what I need at this point, I've onboarded a few people on Hive with my link and most of them are not active any more and that is mostly because they are not that close to me but I'm doing my best to make sure they come back and I still prefer they are less active than them showing up everyday and fall victim of plagiarism.
I'm doing my best to educate them more on the importance of being creative with their writings so they don't be victims.
Thank you so much for the information, I'm really grateful and I'm glad I came across this blog.
Oh, now I see and understand a lot more. The referral links go a long way in helping the newbies become "vouched" when we actively show that we indeed onboarded the newbie in question.
It's interesting to see that a lot goes into taking care of newbies as well as maintaining the health of the ecosystem. I never would have thought it went as deep as this.
9277 is quite a lot of newbies that lovesniper is keeping an eye on, but my guess is that a ton of them are not active. But it's a brilliant initiative.
I wonder, however, how long a person can remain an onboarder. Is it for a stipulated time or as long as the individual is performing?
It's a lot of these initiatives on top of some "blind votes" that unfortunately cause a lot of bad actors to create accounts and attempt to earn some easy hive by copy-pasting random intro posts or faking their identity. This is one of the reasons we
It's gotten better but for some time there there were literal farms generating fake intro posts, many getting away with rewards and at the same time wasting account credit tokens that are quite finite which we're offering for free to hiveonboard which many projects and dapps on hive use daily.
Abuse cannot be totally eliminated, but it can be minimized. Minimizing it, however, is such a challenging thing to do. It would have caused you and your team to go back and forth on your strategies simply for the purpose oc curbing these abuses.
Accounts don't come cheap (which many do not know) and therefore, creating accounts that will not be used only causes issues for the newbies in the future.
Thank you for explaining.
FIRST of all, we have to have consensus on things liek what IS abuse, what IS copyright? What country does HIVE exist in? what jurisdiction? Not all people live in countries with the same laws, there is no one universal rule about content and abuse etc
maybe instead of debating this and relying on the WHIMS of the hive whales, who often dont agree we could hard code the RULES into the chain and have some sort of system for ownership and content, maybe even using AI to DETECT plagarism in text and images? Also thers plenty of cases for 107 fair use of images and text, and we cant rely on humans to enforce the rules, steemcleaner style bots should all be using AI
If an animal takes a photo of itself, does it deserve author rewards? Or are we going to follow the human supremacist line opf thinking that a human must create something to have copyright?
How is Hive going to debate the AI copyright debate? Are we going to act liek an artists owns all the styles it uses or are we going to realize that no one can OWN a whole art style? Are we going to be democratic and fair to ai artists or are we going to act like they are not "artists"? Some people claimed digital artists using photoshop werent real "artists"
are we hgoing to adopt hive code written by ai with chat gpt?
what if someone creates amazing hive engine trading bots that use chat gpt and we all end up using it or chat gpt codes for some hive blockchain purpose, and we all end up using it without realizing it?
Will we argue about the "abuse" or ai written code? WHat if its so good we all end up using it though? Its going to get REAL crazy up in here.
I think we do need to be careful with referral links. Quite often when I see something that looks interesting and then see the post has a referral link, I think "shill?" It perhaps works best when we introduce them personally and do explain the culture and expectations around no abuse and no plagiarism. Then hand hold them through what can be quite difficult initially.
I am going to try to onboard a few more during 2023 - let's see
Yeah there's definitely a stigma involved in ref links which is why it's important for the onboarder to mention that hey "I know this is a ref link but it's just so I can track you easier and others know that I brought you in, I'm not going to profit off of you in a way where I get a cut off of what you buy or spend on Hive and at no point are you pressured into buying any".
if by signing up under a power user, you got a better chance of getting reblogged and upvoted by them and their network of whales, that could be a reason enough to STAY in their lineup, even if youre paying them a very high up to 50% beneficiary reward on all your post rewards, and who cares? Most new users are used to $0 rewards so taking a 50% cut in order to create profit for the person above you in the hierarchy is worth it because they can concentrate all foreward firepower on that star destroyer and build a new mobile app or front end etc
or maybe someone saves up enough referal beneficiary rewards by signing up enough users to actually build a twitter or discord hivebot that signs up users much faster
maybe then we can all have a better experience and a chance to signup our own ML style referal tree
and this is hive, theres 0 risk in using a system like this inside hive, we arent going around buying acai berry juice and getting stuck with it, we are just posting on social media and re arranging monopoly points that we may or may not even get. What we are really doing is funding the most efficient path for these tokens, so those who handle the most hive the best and create the most value from having that hive, can get that hive. I really see referals as an opportunity to onboard not just hoardes of new users, but SALES people , you know, the types who think they are tai lopez or grant cardone.
I feel like that is all Hive is missing, salespeople. a referal system could really help with that so we have people trying to build communities, dapps, mobile apps and hive front end bots that just sign up as many new users as possible, maybe making it so easy that they can signup to hive and make posts entirely from inside discord, redirecting all those beneficiary rewards to the referrer. That could be like a gold rush. SO manmy discords out theer full of hungry crypto users who would 100% sit there trying to earn enough HIVE lets say, over @tipcc which requyires no account on hive, to begin collecting hive in your second layer wallet, then use that hive to create your account when youre ready and have 3 hive, and then start posting from discord to hive, through a bot. that would be teh best way to get millions of new users into a referal chain on the hive blockchain, the bot would be required as the middleman, maybe add chat gpt in there to allow ai to really help do tech support too...
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I really don't know about using referral link to onboard members and this is really nice to know. I have onboard few people to Hive and I can say they are not doing bad at all.
I'm aware of using my referral link to onboard people to #hive and have done some in the past just that most of them are now inactive but one person stood out in making me very proud of onboarding him. It is tiring after taking lot of my time to lecture them about #hive and at the end they are just too lazy to learn.
I will keep on trying, I might still find some who are willing to learn about #hive and how it works.
most peopel will never take the time to learn to use hive
diminishing returns
we may as well be liek MENSA
the only hope hive has for onboarding is a user friendly mobile app that signs peopel up with a face scan or some system of account recovery with some sort of key bank or i dunno
i sufggest we use the edenos system by @dan larimer where ou8r hive account keys are held by an EOS account that lets us login with a faceID scan using greymass anchor wallet
so we never need keys
thats the only way hive will become super popular when we can login with a biometric face id scan with a mobile app that lets us post and withdraw hive/hbd etc
like dan larimer laid out, the web of trust even pays you UBI for verifying otehr users during their logins
dan larimer even said edenos or clarion could use hive eos and wax all in one chain or chains
Thank you for bringing this up, I will look it up.
Who is even using hive lol. Front page is full of basifally spam and what seems like ai generated crap lol eho would wanna use hive? Its like steemit now. Its gone too long without a large enough user base. Its like using myspace or somethin
Who would ever need to use hive for anything anyway?
You've changed the way you view things here quick, what happened?
Honestly trending is better than it's ever been on this chain, plenty of diverse content and newer users so not always the same ones. Not sure how you'd wanna improve it or why you'd want to personally, can always check your own feed. Though that makes me wonder why we don't have a hot/trending list of our own feed at this point.
ok ok, i came back to ask about referal links, i noticed i have one from my @dbuzz profile
https://d.buzz/#/?ref=ackza
have you ever used this referal link? Why doesnt hive.blog have a referal link like this? I think its based on the old busy.org referal link?
How do i hide text so its blacked out unless someone clicks it or hovers over it? My explkanation as to why im so pisssed off is here and its too complicated and involves teh war in ukraine and lots of high emotions and civil war and ideological struggles
I was just really angry this morning , just sick of how im still being downvoted by steemcleaners everyday on every post, just because i made a post months ago saying i dont liek zelensky and dont support ukraine. like how dare i have a political disagreement, downvotes came at me with same sort of one siodedness as anyone who thinks their right about vaccines masks etc and that the other side is not using science and that science is one sided etc, just pisses me off to have to be downvoted and then when i ask why, im given somebullshit story about how i posted someones art without citing it? WHen that person turned outr to be a very pro nazi pro ukrainian azov deviant art user, and they came to hive, i paid then a few hive as a "sorry" message but then i fopund out how much pro nazi pro ukraine shit they had, and i still get downvoted because of their posts, which is so convoluted bvecause they posted some art on devbiant art that i fopund on a pro russian telegram showing us troops surrendering to russian and texan troops inteh snopw, that image mad eme think they were pro russia,then i found images of swastikas crushing american flags, its too co0mpolicated
its far too complicated to explain
I really don't know about using referral link to onboard members and this is really nice to know. I have onboard few people to Hive and I can say they are not doing bad at all.
I couldn't even manage to onboard people that I know in real life... I suck at that. Oh and seeing that board with new users' payouts reminds me of my early days on Hive... Much hustle, quite wow... Close to five years of hiving. This thing is a black hole.
😊🤙🌈 nice post about onboarding. I really like how u mentioned that follow up with those new hivers is so important.
I haven't on boarded since last year when I helped my gf make an account. It was such a difficult ordeal that I haven't tried since.
Has account creation been made easier in the last year?
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Reading your post I realize that maybe I don't make enough use of referral links; I have to provide to increase them and contribute more!
Thanks for sharing and all the valuable information!🤗
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As a newbie, and from all I've observed here so far, I would say that, Inviting others to this wonderful platform is one of the best things anyone can do to others.
However, it shouldn't be majorly based on the rewards anyone would get from referring others, but for the benefits the invitees would derive for meaningfully engaging their time here and not waisting away on Facebook and the likes.
This is why I spend a lot of time to develop my blog to what would actually attract people to join us whenever I invite them.
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