I wrote many years ago that fame was one of the scariest things to me and that I feared it to the point that I have sabotaged chances at success over the years.
I’ve overcome much of this fear and no longer sabotage myself but I still find fame to be an incredibly uncomfortable reality.
I don’t like treating famous people any different as anyone else and I don’t ever want anyone to ever put me on a pedestal either.
Two days ago I was able to meet one of my favorite artists. It was kind of funny, and I am happy I did, but it was incredibly awkward.
I went to a concert to see a kind of progressive metal band that is surprisingly unknown in the music scene considering how good they are. I will share their music another time, I don’t want to mention anyone’s identity in this post.
I realized before the show that the opening band was on the indie label run by the artist I ended up meeting so I had a feeling he would be there. I did not imagine we would meet though.
After the second band, the one we had come for, the main act came on and I turned my head and saw said artist about 3 meters away in a sea of people.
I imagine 1/3 of the people there knew who he was, but it’s Japan so everyone tries not to make a big deal of it, and I also want to respect his right to enjoy his night as a normal person.
But part of me is thinking “It’s your fucking chance to meet someone who you’d love to get to know and dream about working with one day!!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!”
I found myself strategizing ways to create an opportunity to tak to him. I imagined where he might hang out after the show and thought of ways to make myself more noticable.
I realize how silly and childish this is. I’m not embaressed by it because I understand it. To me, he is not a god among men. He is not something holy that I want to touch. I want more than anything to treat him like a normal person, but he has something I want and I can’t help but want it.
He has success making the kind of art that I want to make! He is respected for his words and actions and he does a lot of atypical things that most people wouldn’t have thought of, but I have.
He is essentially the closest thing I can imagine to a very very successful version of myself. He's accomplished a lot of the things I've wanted to accomplish.
I can’t help but want to learn directly from him, to pick his brain or to ride on his coattails. His audience is largely my audience but they know him and they don’t know me, and if they knew me, my life would be a lot easier.
But I want to respect him as a normal person, and give him the space he deserves and not interfere with his ability to live a normal life. I want to stop looking at him like something I can use and see him for who he is. I hope he likes me, but I don’t want to feel upset if he doesn’t. I want it to not be a big deal.
And so I acted like it wasn’t a big deal, even though my brain is already fantasizing about him producing my album or helping me to promote a Japanese version of my book because I’m pretty sure he’d love it and want to produce it.
I know in some places it’s normal to ask someone directly for this kind of opportunity but in my circles, it’d be seen as overly pushy and obnoxious and it wouldn’t go well. I also want to know him personally before I make any commitments. Just because he makes art I like doesn’t mean we will see eye to eye.
And so I am trying my best to play it cool and just see what happens.
And so after 45 minutes, my back is tired and my gf and I still have drink tickets we haven’t used and so we go to order some drinks before the show ends. We sit down at one of the the only two tables in the venue and listen to the last two songs. Right after we sit down, I see him coming to sit down at the next table with what looks like a business acquaintance he’s close with.
My gf is shitting bricks. She admires him as much as I do and has similar hopes to work with him in some capacity. We are speaking Mandarin and he only speaks Japanese but she’s talking about him and laughing and sweating and acting very unnatural because we’ve discussed the possibility of meeting him before. Even if he is famous, he is connected to some friends of friends, and used to spend time in the same places as us before he got so busy with various projects.
He is both very close and very very far away. Easy to connect with if the universe wills it, very difficult otherwise.
I also have a very distracting inner dialogue going on. I resolve to speak to him if there is any topic at all to bring up besides “I love your music ahhhhh!!!!” because that is not something you say randomly to a stranger out of context if you want them to treat you like an equal.
My gf says she wanted his socks (his bands merchandise) but they were sold out. A thought popped into my brain: “Not the best opener but it’s that or just let the opportunity to talk to him pass me by” I tell myself.
I wait for his friend to stop talking to him.
“Hey, sorry… are you going to print more socks? She wanted a pair.”
And he looks at me trying to figure out what the hell I am talking about. I’m sure strangers talk to him from time to time even though Japanese people tend not to bother people or even want to talk to their favorite artists, but when they talk to him it’s probably always saying his name or talking about his music or film or other work.
I can also tell immediately after speaking to him he is a shy guy who doesn’t like taking to strangers.
“I forgot where I got these. Check out my shoes though, they are cute aren’t they?”
I awkwardly nod and his friend tries to get his attention again.
I can’t figure out if he likes to play games with people who recognize him or if he just doesn’t want to be treated as a celebrity and is trying to deflect us acknowledging who he is.
It’s almost as if he wants to say to us “I’m not rejecting you or our interaction but we are strangers so lets start from something other than me and what I do”.
Before we had any other interactions, a bouncer came and kicked us out because the show was over and Japanese venues are really stingy about letting people hang out afterwards. Apparently even VIP were getting kicked out if they weren’t working to clear the place out and our favorite artist trailed behind us in a huge line going up the stairs.
I caught him glance at us once or twice but we didn’t want to be obsessive and so we just tried to regroup and go home.
The problem with fame is that it creates a massive imbalance of supply and demand. You are in low demand and high supply and your favorite artists are in a tight supply with extremely high demand.
You are uneven by nature and it takes a whole lot to balance the interaction to where both people are equals. Inner peace, a concerted effort and trying to play it cool only take you so far. The only thing that can equalize the relationship are all of those combined with repeated exposure which is often completely out of your control.
If I knew I had many opportunities to speak with him naturally, I would have waited for a better opportunity and been less awkward.
But nothing can change the fact that there are things he has that I want and I am currently no one to him.
I don’t like being on either end of this kind of interaction and I imagine that neither does he.
If all you’ve had are shallow desires for fame and attention, you can hardly imagine how lonely it must be to have everyone after you for something. For most people it’s less of a desire to collborate and understand and more of an accomplishment to show off to their friends. It’s either clout or connections. You have to make yourself sparse or constantly have people treat you as an idolized version of yourself that they set up in your mind.
I would love to get to know this guy, but I don’t want to make him feel like I am just feasting upon him. I don’t want to force it. I don’t want to wait for it either.
And so I use this kind of interaction as fuel to work at my own projects harder and to be more of who I came here to be. If i keep at it, he may notice me through my work and approach me instead of making me feel like a desperate fan who wants a piece of his success.
I am glad I said something so I don't have to feel like I didn't take the opportunity. I kind of flopped it but that's how it goes, and the universe will decide if I have another chance to get to know him.
I hope our next interaction feels closer to equal footing, however it comes. And I do think we will meet again, whether he remembers this awkward interaction or not.
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I had similar experience, but in a different situations.
So, a couple years ago I was working in a hype place. Local artist, indie bands were having gigs there on let's say, weekly basis. I knew that I would meet several 'celebrities' there. I'm a fan of their works.
Apparently, one of the biggest artist was my CEO. I never knew that. I'm a big fan of him. And he was like big, sooo big.
Damn, every meeting feels so awkward because I just can't ignore the fact that I'm a fan. The guy is so humble tho, it helps a lot with my awkward reactions. Thankfully, in the professional manner, my work was considered as good enough. Lol.
that’s awesome! I have met a bunch of my favorite artists and two or three good friends can qualify as favorite artists of mine…but then there are two or three other people that feel so out of reach even if they aren’t super famous. Talent and originality makes me way more nervous than fame.
Curious to know what kind of music you like since our taste in anime is similar 😆 I want to watch mob psycho, meant to reply to your post
My musical taste is varied from Motown Soul, Jazz, Blues, indies, punk, alternative, metal, world music... 😁
Yeah, I think Mob Psycho deserve more audiences
I simultaneously know exactly where you’re coming from and have literally no idea what you’re talking about and it’s a perfectly normal feeling for me and also one that is completely irrational when I analyse it from an outside perspective 🤣
It sounds like you move in similar circles so you’ll bump into him again and hopefully will have more engaging openers 🙃
Which part do you not understand 😝
I don't know! XD
oops!
I can imagine how this just have felt for you. I know how much celebrities talk about wanting to be treated like everyone else, but would they really be happy if we did that? I guess somehow, even though a celebrity may not love said over attention, they still may like the power they can wield over a group of people. It's a human instinct and not necessarily a bad thing.
But then moving on to you, and I love how honest you were. You're not pretending and saying you just want to talk to him just to hear about him, you're saying the truth of why you want to associate with this man. And that to promote your work. That honesty and intentionality is the first step to success, in my opinion.
I was hoping for a movie like ending. That you guys met and bonded and now he's all out for you. But that's what makes it a movie right? Rooting for a better meeting for your both, @selfhelp4trolls. All the best to you.🌺
I think it depends on the celebrity. I’m not into the most famous artists. This guy is “famous” but he’s nothing compared to the biggest names in music. I think he likes the power of being able to collaborate with who he wants (the same kind of power I want) but he doesn’t want to be obsessed over.
There are different levels of attention too. I don’t feel guilty about my behavior or thoughts cause I tried to keep them in check and respect his space.
I always try to be honest with myself, otherwise I’d be miserable and living someone else’s life.
I don’t think this story is over yet. Not sure if we will ever collaborate but I’m sure he will know who I am. Whether or not he ends up liking me is another story 🤣
This is just like a plan I have in December but I don’t know how to go about it. I have a show I want to go to and I wish to get the attention of the artiste
I don’t even know if I’d be allowed backstage
If the bouncers didn’t take you guys out, what would you have done?
Only talk to him?
How popular is the artist and why do you want their attention? 😆 I don’t think we could meet him at his own performance. He’s too popular
I’m talking about Wizkid and he’s the greatest artiste in Africa. I want to meet him cos I love him😅😅
lol he is waaaaaaaay bigger than the artist I want to talk to. 9 million monthly listeners vs 100k monthly listeners. Good luck!!! Hahaha
I make a point never to interact or get to know the people I admire beyond their works. They always end up being assholes or pedos or whatever lol.
I am thrilled at the opportunity to destroy my idolized view of them. Thankfully none have been pedo so far … lol who are we talking about 😬
Today's one is the creators in Cartoon Network found with a collection of chid porn!
And if you think of like, any rock star, the chances are pretty high you caught one -__-
Damn.
Rock stars? I haven’t heard any stories like that but who the hell knows. I guess I can imagine them not caring if they look old enough.
I imagine most of the people I respect have different vices. Self harm, cocaine, normal sex addictions, emotion disorders, maybe some black magic with animal sacrifice. They aren’t involved with the industry enough to get worse than that 🤣
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