Yeah I made a reply on the subject just now on another comment. In an ideal hive, users would be more responsible using their stake to upvote, make decisions on governance, and etc but that's far from what we got as far as decentralization goes. You see users do commit plagiarism yet there is a steep hill to get people use the downvote button even when it is grossly stolen and proven. Also the Pressure of rewarding verified accounts would also mean anons who just prefer to be anons who prefer to be anons with no other social media presence somewhere gets left out in the equation. The system relies on connecting ones name with other platforms am I right?
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Yes, but on an opt-in basis.
You are most concerned with the rewards going to the correct parties, based on your terms.
I am more concerned with increase @dbuzz and #HIVE's proven use-case as a #FreeSpeech platform.
#1 should not be done at the expense of #2.
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Yes.
Do you think being downvoted is an attempt to silence free speech on the blockchain? Given there are ways to retrieve what is written once posted or a frontend made to ignore the reputation system in place? Do you think being downvoted is a form of crime against free speech? Do you think an upvote is a form of free speech? do you think a downvote is a form of free speech? If I make a post about how @jeffjagoe could not extricate his feet from his mouth and the guy downvotes that post, would he also be against my free speech?
Nah man, it's always been about the rewards people cry about here. Anyone can talk shit about something or someone and get likes (upvotes) but it's like alien to know ideas, people and somethings can also be disliked (downvoted).
Going back to the case of @eloy-drawing who is a confirmed fake content creator. There's a steemit account version that still able to monetize the stolen works and no one would give a fuck on that place to downvote or even learn about the faker. This means opportunity costs taken away from the real content creator without them even knowing it. Am I being an oppressor of free speech if I keep on downvoting the faker here? nope, I just take away the rewards. I don't have control whether they want to still post shit on the account.
People have always been free to post whatever they like here just as they are free to upvote or downvote whoever they like as part of their freedom of expression for like and discontent for the content. Drama happens when they think that freedom bears no consequences like I don't know, being deluded that there can be actual people that can dislike the content and disagree with the rewards?
Now if this was facebook, that's a different story as whatever I say can be deleted out of my control if the admins don't like it. But it isn't. You can't delete my posts. No one else can. It's the blockchain and people are crying for the rewards lost, not the loss of free speech.
Nobody mentioned anything about taking rewards from posters/impostors (plagiarists using posts from real accounts on other platforms to earn from them) at the expense of free speech. 🤨😑
I did, and thats because it happens.
And have not properly compared the levels of freedom to post on Web2 vs. $HIVE
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@snacky,
Can you chime in and share some of your ideas with @adamada and maybe backread the thread?
Posted via D.BuzzYou are much better at explaining than I am @snacky, especially when you compared the rewards people receive to other blockchains.
Creators already have an impersonator problem; that has nothing to do with hive. They solve this by linking/mentioning their official accounts in their content, and this is the best solution both for them and for the internet in general. It's simple, low-tech and has few problems. Cultivating /educating this as the thing to do rather than websites babysitting people will actually solve the problem webwide, savvier users will be less likely to be tricked. Giving users the expectation that sites are here to take care of you will make things easier for scammers/impersonators.
That having been said I think a keybase-style verifier bot would be quite good if done in that way, keybase just gives links back to other accounts it's verified in the user profile, and does not elevate or "blue check" the user above other users in any way.
Perhaps this is a different issue, but by the way:
Entertaining notions of "if people don't step up and do X, the blockchain will fail" is an indication of an already failed experiment. If your blockchain relies on users to take voluntary generous action and the overhead and incentive to take that action aren't enough to get it to happen naturally such that you have to encourage it, the system is broken & time to abandon. I hardly think not enough downvoting is a system critical issue though
Thanks for the comprehensive reply
A verification requirements to add those accounts = Solution (no check)
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The less manual labor the better.
And that's the biggest issue right now.
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Buzz word nonsense.
Most "abuse fighters" can't be assed with this task except certain cases in tribes. And it's as simple as asking the actual content creator if they happen to be on Hive.
Ah yeah, asking the person on their Web 2.0 account if they have a #Hive account is easy, and not to much of a hassle.
The issue I have is in seeing legit authors on #Hive called plagerizers when they are not.
If abuse fighters stick to #1, the #2 won't happen at all.
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When I made a social media account on a centralized platform, it asked for my sensitive information. I was alarmed and troubled at the idea that my information is banked somewhere in a datacenter some part of the world. Then I kept registering to more social media platform because I want to use those sites too and they asked the same thing. I felt guilty the first time so I did it more than 30 times and stopped counting. Then I saw the government I work for also requires me to give my sensitive information making me do paperwork and go to different departments to accomplish a simple task as getting a verified ID. Yeah, people freely give their info even in a decentralized platform, what a shocker that is that I'd get to see vanity tiktok vids and puckered lip selfies as a norm on social media.
Point? Inconvenience is relative. If I get stopped by a checkpoint by an officer, that's inconvenience but not necessarily an evil. If I can get my VISA by going through shitty systems short term in exchange for traveling around the world long term, I don't think I'd be minding the short term trouble. That goes for users that portray a personality that is unverified here.
Inconvienece is relative, but we should at least be easier than Web3, otherwise we aren't completing.
Governments should not have that much power.
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BOOM
Very comprehensive.
I don’t actually think these people want a solution, I think they like to think that they are the solution themselves, and so they enjoy doing what they’re doing. Probably the first time they ever felt in control of something in their whole lives.
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Well said.
Thanks for the tag @chrisrice