Hi, Interesting conversation.
What HIVE is lacking is the same thing Steem was lacking. Mass adoption. A way to ease the muggles into HIVE that makes sense to them. As it is, HIVE is wicked complicated to learn and use. When you get beyond keys, and RC and Powering up... then there is the what to post, what to even use HIVE for, how can I engage with my friends that are not on HIVE?
We are not going to see mass adoption for a while, but we CAN see mass engagement that will drive adoption and growth.
Yea, we all want HIVE to be as big as REDIT, or Wordpres.org or Medium. But how do you capture the attention of the masses? Well, give them something they know, give them something they are familiar with its function, and empower them to share.
I see D.Buzz as one of those gateways for mass engagement.
Moreover, You have to ask, What is HIVE for even? Steem monsters? Peaked? Appics? Drug wars?
I think censorship-resistant content in any form is the answer.
But Twitter is lame, its 2.0 it's big brother, f*ck it.
Yes, I agree with you. But, let's go on a trip together.
Let's look at the Arab Spring. Twitter helped that revolution.
Read (HERE). Activists used twitter as a way to drive knowledge and plan. Everyone had twitter on their phone.
Does everyone today have HIVE on their phones? No..
What if these tweets got Censored? well, No Arab spring.
As it is Twitter is starting to censor posts. Can it help in the next revolution that needs fast, short updates? Who knows. They may censor the next one. But messages could still get through.
How do you fix this?
By adding a #Hive to a tweet, In this case, the coordinators could back up their tweets. Then in future tweets, direct people to view the full conversation on D.Buzz, on HIVE, uncensored.
This is HUGE. In planing, change, revolution, and Engagement, AND Adoption of HIVE.
OH, but the SPAM in my news feed...
WTF, that is not an argument even.
Yea, some people will post BS spam about pooping, or cats, or "SUP"... Fu*K em... that is social media and you just have to get over it. We have to love the good and bad.
If you don't know how to tune out, block, or skip offense content... then you need to go back to Social Media school 101 or just stay off the internet. Like cats and baby memes, people will spam, bots will come. People will game the system.
But I like HIVE the way it is today...
If you think this HIVE is the final version of this blockchain, sad to say no, HIVE is going to grow and change... it must if we are to grow and become something great... I hope we see many Dapps building on top of HIVE. Dapps that alow posting form FB to HIVE and vice versa, I hope we see Instagram to HIVE, and I am happy to see Twitter to HIVE.
All this, This Drives MASS ENGAGEMENT, that Drives curiosity about discovery, and that onboarding NEW users and this all Drives the growth of OUR blockchain, forward.
Just my thoughts on the topic.
(*And yes, I do work with the D.Buzz team and am proud to say so)
I agree with you 100%
Somehow we have to get a new users and teach them what is the crypto and blockchain all about.
Like nowdays here in central europe from 10 people sometimes nobody dont know what is crypto.
This dapp is a great way to let them know and onboard them.
Than some of them who are talented they will became a vallued content creators some of them not.
Some people will find out that buying hive will give them power so they will buy and our investment will grow also.
By onboarding and teaching if we will have more users than also the companies who would like to promote they business will come here and invest in hive.
In my opinion the best will be to create the own hive engine token or SMT in the future for this so it will be win-win for everyone.
👍 Well said. ❤️
Or...you could just make your own Blockchain.
Dbuzz will drive the quality authors away and THAT won't be good for the platform.
Better yet, just turn Dbuzz into a chat Dapp.
@notconvinced It has yet to be explain to me how post inside a community that have rewards declined negatively affects hive users. These post are not being displayed in the main feeds on any hive front-end other then d.buzz or to people who subscribe to the community
Lol, that's not how it was originally billed. Anyway, I think your argument here now is a trojan horse.
Your users are expecting a Dtwatter to get paid from. You'll have to deliver if you don't want to fail. It's better to just avoid that road.
It will bring zero value to the community and if it succeeds will destroy all the hardwork up to this point.
The service is meaningless if there's no incentive and will just overstress an already stressed system. There's not one tweet that's original that needs to be preserved on the Blockchain.
It does show up on some feeds even when not subscribed to the community. I personally don't like it showing up on my feed.
Out of curiosity, is it then people adding it to their blog?
No. Even when the authors aren’t reblogging. Even when user isn’t subscribed to Dbuzz community, still shows. Don’t know why it’s happening though.
@hiddenblade this is good to know as the way communities where explain to me and what I have seen it was a post made in communities are limited to that community feeds and its subs. We will review this and decide how to go forward from here.
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? BOTH OF THESE SITES SHOW YOUR SPAM TRASH IN THEIR FEEDS.
In the community feed not main feeds or to its subs as I stated above.
The blockchain is not built for quality authors. Front ends are. The blockchain is built for decentralized social interactions like video, gaming, blogging or even micro-blogging. The important thing is to make any new app fit into the system and not spam people with no interest in it.
This is a great chance to add new users and interaction if it is done right. The current form of @dbuzz isn't great but it's the first version and can be improved to not spam our feeds. #hive is an eco-system not an writing app.
No, the Blockchain is built to track transaction performed on it. Consensus creates the rules, so the point is moot.
We are now having a dialog about what to allow. Let's have it...
In my opinion anything that doesn't harm the blockchain should be allowed. Plagiarism is theft and harms the eco-system as does reward farming.
I have seen large stake holders over the years drive thousands of active users from the old chain due to their definition of what should be allowed. If it is not harming the eco-system is shouldn't matter if you like it or not. Others will. Get over it.
We need users and a micro blogging app like this has the chance to target a whole new demographic of users. Personally I don't like it in its current form and think that it needs a separate interface for people to blog on. I don't want it appearing on my blogging feed, that is for my proper posts. I won't go as far as saying quality. 😅
I would like to see one that posts from hive to twitter and draws people back into the eco-system rather than the other way but that is where constructive discussion comes in. Not threats and flags. A censorship resistant version of twitter.
We need more apps. We needs more users. People bring value and engagement brings value. I have great fun on twitter since starting last year and spent a lot of time there now engaging with other crypto groups. If we could bring them onto hive for the same reason it would be brilliant but using stake to shut down potential development is a terrible idea.
I myself can't stand Twitter and feel(know) that low quality one liners or the sharing of posts that are already available on hive being shared again without any real purpose is a waste of bandwidth and will harm the platform.
Doubling the transactions overnight with no real purpose is not of benefit. Posting Hive content directly to Twitter itself for free advertisement is all the onboarding we need through this lazy feature.
If useless drivel becomes the norm, long-form content will fade along with the quality of the platform and any SEO we've earned will fade.
There's no benefit to making a twitter clone on Hive. Now, if someone wanted to HF their own version, have at it.
I will probably be one of many that'll move on if this feature is added with equal access to the rewards pool. IMO
Who is reading the articles of the quality authors?
I mean right now the hive community is even smaller than when we was on steem. And that time we had estimated 50k active users.
How we wanna grow the community?
For sure that there will be spammers but also we can find more content creators and most important people who wanna invest and currate.
Who is reading the tweet copied to the hive blockchain seen in the post above? Why wouldn’t they just view it on twitter? Why would anyone post tweets on Hive when the audience is on twitter? How does this bring users in when they don’t even have to be on Hive to use it?
I don’t even understand the pie in the sky claims that are being made here. This app copy and pastes tweets from twitter to hive and then tells people to go to twitter.. that’s all it does.
That is just a option. If somebody dont have a twitter acc he can still use it.
Justineh i really respect u to be honest but than how would u like to bring more users to hive?
As i mentioned most of the people even dont know what is crypto or what is hive. Somehow we have to bring them here.
Yes i am sure there will be a lot of spams also but who knows with a proper marketing we can also find new quality content creators as well and also people who will be interested to buy hive so they can support they favourite content creators.
What dbuzz want is a feedback and suggestions how they can make this dapp better.
Actually my suggestion was to make they own token on Hive-engine and even if the posts will be visible on dbuzz it can still work well because some people like the micro blogging.
If u have any suggestion what they should change and how than share with them.
But this is cazy that few big accounts can decide what will be on hive and what will be not.
This is the same what JS doing now on steem.
Because I don't go to Twitter to read content and it adds to my experience for getting to know people if people can have all their social media in one place. I think the close tie up to Twitter is a flaw with this DApp BUT as a short form, quick tool for social interaction on the chain its excellent.
The emphasis again is placed upon talented content creators and authors, and if said people simply want to circle jerk themselves rewards in ever-decreasing circles then please carry on, but some of us read much more than we create and there is less and less worthwhile content of interest to keep me loving in right now.
I would fully support a short form content app on Hive, currently this isn’t one and therefore I won’t judge it based on what it could be, but rather what it is.
Currently, right now, it copy’s tweets from twitter, posts them to hive and directs people to twitter. That’s what it does, and that’s all it does. So currently I see absolutely no benefit in that and stated so.
If and when the app does something different, I’ll judge it based on that.
Strangely, I don't have Twitter on my desktop or my phone but yet was able to use dbuzz to create 2 posts which rather contradicts your statement.
Secondly, 'could' is another word for potential so writing things off despite their possibilities is both ridiculous and hypocritical .
Hive 'could' change the world, but its not at the moment therefore it's shit. Your logic!
Of course, only rich people's opinions matter here because on Hive, wealth=power. No different from Steem really.
Interesting that I gave my feedback to a post and now am sitting clarifying what I mean and why I feel that way and somehow the response is to just cry about fairness.
Are all these “wealthy” people stopping you from using the app? Let me help you, they aren’t. No one can stop you from using the blockchain. Only the app creator can stop you from using their app. Perhaps the issue is with them then? As I don’t have to like the app, and therefore I stated so. Me not liking it doesn’t stop others from using it.. so I’m really confused by the stomp your feet and throw a fit reaction from some. If you like it, use it. If people think it’s spam, they may downvote it ... just like other spam they downvote.. that doesn’t prevent you from using it.
As far as the rest, I assume you can post in their community, cool. The point of the app that I have discussed repeatedly here is the copy and paste from twitter that I see no point in.
I also have said, repeatedly, that if they make it more than that - great! Currently I don’t see more than that so don’t really see the point of it.. so your assumption of my “logic” is quite flawed.. so yeah, you do you man.
Seems like everyone just needs something to complain about and cry conspiracy over. I can’t help that.
Please, before you say that, make sure that you logged into our Dapp and tested it. We took it offline as a sign of good faith but it was more than a Twitter to HIVE bot . .
It was a content app and that's not what it could have been, it's what it was . . you could post to the Dapp directly in our interface without ever having a Twitter account.
That's not true, you obviously didn't read our announcements or test the Dapp . . I don't blame you though, you probably had your hands full and I had misconceptions too.
I don’t support the copying tweets to Hive and see absolutely no benefit it in whatsoever. I’m not against the idea of short form content, but that aspect of your app I am very against. That’s all I’m saying.
I'm not having any issues. Those coming here to tweet will tweet, just like they do on twatter. If they wanted high quality content, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
Create good content, engage and you'll do just fine here. There's no need to lower standards to grow fast, because slow, steady and creating QUALITY wins the race.
Jumping the gun will get you shot in the foot.
But what about the readers? Who consuming the articles?
Even nowdays we have a lot of big accounts who are just collecting the curration rewards.
Is that okay for hive?
If we dont give a chance to onboard new users than we will see the same old content creators like in the past few years and the same people will vote for they contents.
To make a dapp like this is nothing, but with proper marketing we can have a userbase even if not content creators but readers.
And they can invest also to hive if they understand how it works.
But if we dont try we can stay here where we are right now and enjoy the same sh*t every day for the same hive price.
Like I said, they like twats, because they don't want to read.
Twatter is just free advertisement, which works on twatter, but won't here.
Like i said because most of the people even dont know about hive. Not even about crypto.
Thats why we need to find people who can share and educate others so they will see.
But i dont want to argue just share my thoughts that with the proper marketing and tools we can have more and more people here who will give a vallue to our chain.
Right, use twatter to advertise. There's no reason to advertise Hive on Hive...
Me. And most authors that I interact with.
Ok and that is all what we have. As i told as far as i know 50k was the active users on steem. So now we have less.
So u dont want new people to join hive? New readers, new currators or new investers?
More topics maybe? Not just the same people on our trending all the time with the same people voteing them all the time?
Of course we want new authors to join. I’ve looked at Trending and have seen some new authors being there. If they post quality content, of course they’re gonna be on Trending 🤷🏻♀️
But until we dont have more users we will see always the same authors here.
And as i told many people, many blogger around the world even dont know what is crypto.
So to get them here we need readers also.
To get them we need a dapps like dbuzz.
Yes there will be spammers for sure but if u dont invest than u will dont have a income neither.
If dbuzz's posts stay in a community than i dont know why is it a big deal for some people.
Somehow we have to start to promote hive. Thats it.