Steemit's 2017 Five [5] bad habits You should avoid in 2018, to save your reputation

in #introduceyourself7 years ago (edited)

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1. Commenting on other people’s posts, then upvoting yourself!

This is the number one bad habit to avoid. The purpose of commenting on other peoples posts is for thought-sharing. If it is a story, fiction or non-fiction, the idea is to share the experience of the characters. If it is a poem, the idea is to share in its theme. If it is an educative writing, ideally you comment to offer your opinion. Why do you immediately after commenting upvote yourself?

If you are the kind who does this, it only means that.

First - and this is mostly applicable to minnows still learning the trade of steemit- you think every post/comment should be upvoted. And this is not true. The idea of upvoting is a value endorsement, which means that it has to be deserved, earned, given to those posts/comments that you find worthy! And not every post/comment is. That is in part, the reason why steemit gives you control, and allows you the freedom to decide on what value percentage your vote gives.

Secondly, you are only a target worker, looking to position yourself to share in the monetary benefits that eventually accrue for the post. Now I am not saying this is a bad motive, we all aim to earn, ultimately. But for community’s sake, let your commentary be borne of genuine interest.

The first thing that comes to my mind when a person comments on my posts and then immediately upvotes his/her own comment, is that the person, irrespective of how thoughtful his/her comment is, is only commenting as a matter of duty to earn rather than as a result of the genuine desire to share in the issues I have raised in my article. That feeling of insincerity immediately means that you miss my genuine gratitude.

And if I am a ‘whale’ with all the steem power to upvote your comment and give you with one vote, value far greater than your previous five, may be even ten posts have in total gathered, I will just ignore you, on a good day. Another day, I will flag you, and nose dive your reputation towards and below the 25! And that is not good for your progress here on steemit.

2. Writing on a given subject, then tagging it in an unrelated category

So you go to the ‘view more tags’ drop down, and you find the detail of all tags and their potential audience in numbers. You decide the subject you have written about falls in a tag category with few posts., and by inference, a small audience.

That won’t give your article the exposure it deserves, you conclude. So you tag the post under a category it has nothing to do with, because it has the largest audience…There your chances are helped, you think.

You cannot be more wrong!

Number one, it is like taking tomatoes to sell in a car bond. I mean, whoever comes to a car bond, come looking for which car to buy, not tomatoes! And so irrespective of how many people will actually see your tomatoes, none will buy. Yes, it doesn’t matter how many people who visit the introduceyourself category that see your article about crypto currency, none will read it, much less upvote it.

So, overall, it doesn’t matter how good your article is, if it is about foods and groceries, and you tag it under introduceyourself, you abuse the etiquette of tagging on steemit. It is likely you will be flagged, and that can, and will, again nose dive your reputation even to negatives.

3. SBD for a vote

I had two nasty experiences when I first joined Steemit Chat. The first person to message me, despite starting off well with a hello, and bringing me to conversation mood, went ahead to ask for the only SBD I had in my account then, apparently in exchange for his/her vote. Here is our conversation trail.

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When I looked up the fellow’s account, I found many revealing things, namely, a low reputation of 25; he has never blogged, has really high steem power (I wont quote the amount, respectfully), much steem dollars (again I will not say the amount) and a high estimated account value, which again I shall not reveal..
How on earth? The minnow in me asked.

The point is that, the person seems to have specifically joined stemit on a business errand! in which case, he/she chose to buy as much steem power as possible, and then start to sell his vote in exchange for SBD,

I don’t know how that serves the person business wise, but I know how it serves him/her reputation-wise, and the 25 reputation score just about says it all, having joined the platform early 2017.

Overall, his kind are actually many. And keep spamiing with comments announcing their benevolence.

If you are this type, make 2018 a different year, and aim for reputation, for true community, otherwise, it wont be long before you are out, and on your own accord. Trust me, you can only stay here if you are really interested in more than money. Steemit’s “Come for the rewards. Stay for the community.” Slogan says it far more than I can manage.

What it doesn’t however say, is that to say, you will have to develop a genuine interest, and to put in a genuine effort to blog and comment, and chat, constructively!

4. Upvote for upvote

As if that was not enough, a second conversation came flying.

Hello. Upvote for upvote?
Just you upvote me and I upvote you. There is nothing else

I ignored this one, but not without contemplating between anger and anger! Reading the “There is nothing else!”

How can somebody even say that. I mean, chat is about knowing others. Who are they? What do they like? What are their hopes, their fears? How can we make community? And then you are telling me ” Just you upvote me and I upvote you. There is nothing else”!!

What for Steemit’s sake does this sort of person deserve if not being flagged? I mean, the idea of Steemit is an idea of a community in which such nonsense cannot, and should not belong.

Funny enough, I looked up the person’s link, and surprise, surprise! Against my less than 100 followers, the fellow actually had about 9 times that. How on earth? I wondered. But a look at the status of his posts only made clear one thing: he had dormant followers, apparent in the fact that only a handful upvoted his posts, and even these commanded very little vote power as his post earnings largely languished in two-decimal place figures mostly! I ignored him.

But he left me a vital impression. The question of followers, I have here referred to as dormant. What are they? This question brings me to my 5th point

5. Dormant followers

Are you a dormant follower? Who is a dormant follower? As in the upvote for upvote incidence above, the easiest way to put it is this:

a) You follow me, but whenever I write/post anything, you at best only upvote me, mindlessly I might add, since you are convinced every post/comment has to be upvoted. I have already indicated this is not the case in my first point up.

b) You don’t comment on my writings/posts. At best, you again mindlessly write “nice post” “nice story” “nice poem’ “thanks for sharing” “That is correct”, “resteemed”….spam comments, thoughtless, unrevealing, and that that add no value to conversations on posts.

In the upvote for upvote incidence above, it is obvious if you are that kind of person, you will end up with a similar kind of followers, and these will add very little value to your reputation and earning on steemit.

Yes, you need, in this 2018, to aim for serious members of the steemit community who will, should they follow you, care enough to open their feeds and read your posts, and comment thoughtfully, correct, guide… and you never know, upvote you.

Like I have already said, one upvote of this kind is easily an equivalent of months of all the monetary value you accumulate, if anything, from those mindless upvoters and spam commenters.

And you can only make the acquaintance of such serious Steemit members, if you yourself are a good follower, not this mindless type!

There is an article that says and explains this question of being a good follower far better and more detailed than I here do. Here is the link: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@okusarobert/is-your-reputation-still-at-25-or-thereabout-do-you-have-only-few-followers-this-post-will-help-them-grow

And another related, here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments.

My best wishes to all, to the minnows/beginners, to all the Steemit members working hard to make this a most powerful and organic platform.

HAPPY NEW 2018

@ebitularmbert

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This is actually very detailed and thank you for this. When i first started out, i made sure i upvote my own comments until recently when i read about it too and now again from you. Some of us started out to 'make money' but joining and seeing how it works, the friends you meet, the things you learn, you have no choice than to have a change of attitude towards it. I value what i have to learn more now and the impacts i could make. I hope everyone reads this. Thank you again.

That is the spirit, @olawalium. Even i did that when i was starting out. But i have learned since. I would say of myself the same thing you so aptly say:

but joining and seeing how it works, the friends you meet, the things you learn, you have no choice than to have a change of attitude towards it. I value what i have to learn more now and the impacts i could make.

That is in deed why i here state in no uncertain terms, that such habits should not be carried on to this 2018 year.

The Steemit platform should only keep getting better, not stagnate or even regress but progress.

You make a good point. My regards.

Thank you so much. Your comments and posts are always insightful.

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This is such a piece of valued post. I wonder if you can make an spanish version to share to my spanish communities.

The 5 points are the most common, but coming more deeply I would also like to consider the creations of closed communities, in which groups of 10 people are formed, each with several different accounts and distributed among themselves upvotes, resteem, follow-ups , etc. Unfortunately it also causes a leak of funds that users with a lot of potential could deserve. Greed is killing society.

That is very true, @dcardozo, individuals forming into cliques and running multiple accounts, following each other, resteeming.... ..you say it all too well. I don't know how exactly such unethical tendencies can be mitigated, especially since the perpetrators deliberately do so.

I am much honored that you find this post useful. And i wish i was in a position to translate it to Spanish. Unfortunately i am not any good in Spanish. Do you have anybody good enough to do such a translation, i would gladly liaise with him/her.

as it would be my high pleasure to speak through it, to the Spanish community.

Thanks @dcardozo. And cheers!

Is a useful post for many people to get adviced how to use propely Steem platform.

I'm native spanish talker, so I can translate your post with such pride. Just text me at Discord dcardozo25#7818.

Nice post bro....

Point No. 5

welcome to steemit @ebitularmbert, best regards..
hopefully you feel at home here. 😊

Point No. 5,

@ebitularmbert this is great advice, i give it the first prize of 2018!!!! And thanks for quoting my article: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@okusarobert/is-your-reputation-still-at-25-or-thereabout-do-you-have-only-few-followers-this-post-will-help-them-grow

I am glad it is helping.

I am honored, @okusarobert, and took some notes from your great article. Thanks

@devsuraj, will you read this? It is more detailed, and should help.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments.

@devsuraj (41) You didn’t read this blog, otherwise you wouldn’t have just written a spam comment.

You have written exactly the same thing 35 times in the last hour. I don’t believe you took the time to read any of theblogs on which you commented and certainly you did not make any meaningful and thought provoking commentary on any blog.

This smacks of attention seeking and vote chasing.

I am preparing to give you a big flag in the next few hours if you don’t make amends by reading and discussing content in a meaningful way. Here is a very small flag to get your attention to the big one.

Before you make another comment please read this blog and leave a comment on it so I know you read it.

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@ebitularmbert/steemit-s-2017-five-5-bad-habits-you-should-avoid-in-2018-to-save-your-reputation

Also please read this one:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments

Thanks @swissclive. Your ultimatum is the best, most fair discipline @devsuraj can possibly receive!

And another below @bankthecrypto. This one has not even read the comments!

It is so obvious the guy doesn't read posts he just jump in and makes sure he gives the first comment. I have seen him do that to my post too. We can't all think alike. It's sometimes sad but it is true. Let's see if he will change because his reputation is really on the line right now.

@ebitularmbert, I had to flag the spammer after he ignored your advice. He left spam on my blog a week ago so I asked him what he meant, and I got no reply. I have taken his reputation back down to 25 from 40. Can take him lower if he continues.

He deserves no less. And they are many out there. What irks me the most, is especially those with a fairly high reputation. I'd think these have been on the platform for a while, and should know better.

We might, i am just thinking, may be at some point, have to find a creative way to flush out perpetual non-repenting offenders, by initiating some sort of campaign where such are reported/identified by members. They are then given ultimatums to make up, maybe like the kind you gave @devsuraj and if they fail to own up and make amends, they are flagged to negatives!!

I sympathize with especially the low 25-abouts minnows, and maybe to leave them a benefit of doubt, premised on the likelihood that they are new and still learning, we can draw a line based on reputation offenders.

The other criteria would involve, besides the reputation, looking at the time a given offender first joined the platform...

i don't know what individual privileges any such campaign would infringe on, if any. But i think that it would go a long way in taking out the chaff from the platform and making our experience of it better, and more constructive

I'm just thinking!

He obviously doesn't want to learn. I see his reputation now at 11. He needs a better mindset.

@swissclive, I take account of your advice thanks for contributing to my knowledge on steemit, I will try to express myself completely without asking anything in return then everyone is free to think what he wants, this post teaches the true sense of community is I fully convinced of all the points mentioned by our colleague @ebitularmbert.

The freedom of respectful expression, is certainly one of the attributes that makes steemit tick.

And i trust, as you so agree, that matters i here-above raise are crucial to building, in your words, a true sense of community

I am glad we share the same thoughts @wisher.

nice post

Please read
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@ebitularmbert/steemit-s-2017-five-5-bad-habits-you-should-avoid-in-2018-to-save-your-reputation

and also:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments

Have you read this comment?

@ebitularmbert, I had to flag the spammer after he ignored your advice. He left spam on my blog a week ago so I asked him what he meant, and I got no reply. I have taken his reputation back down to 25 from 40. Can take him lower if he continues.

Imagine at reputation 25, where you will be at, if the same should happen! You might want to think thrice, before you spam comment again! @prabu

Sorry

@sheril, i see you still a minnow. I am also.

This is a commentary section. Not a post promotion channel. Have you read the post?

You should be giving your thoughts on matters raised, not promoting your post

If you want to do that, i suggest you take these suggestions:

Join chat platforms like Steemit chat. Go to your Menu bar on the top right corner of your computer screen, click on it to release a drop down. At the bottom you will find the Steemit chat, click and join, if you still haven't.

There you will a channel specifically dedicated to post promotion.

Additionally, look up @mitneb and join her DISCORD at https://discordapp.com/channels/392747097981452288/396883737918570496

There you will not only be able to promote your posts, but also have your article specifically curated.

Meanwhile, i would still encourage you to read

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@ebitularmbert/steemit-s-2017-five-5-bad-habits-you-should-avoid-in-2018-to-save-your-reputation

and also:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments
Thanks

It is well, @sheril. We all have to learn at occasionally.

I have actually read/seen the pictures, of your post...you and the cat! You are certainly fond of ...him or her? Pet enthusiasts have names for them. have you for yours? Tell us in the commentary of your post: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@sheril/introduction-to-my-cat-or-i-love-my-cat

These bad practices also happen on other social media networks and among bloggers but are exaggerated on steemit because of the crypto incentive to do that ;)

True, they also happen on other social media networks, that is a given, @vikisecrets.

But have you noticed how bad an experience, they have turned otherwise good platforms into? We should try, if we can manage, to eliminate, or at least minimize it here.

Thanks for the observation.

This is deep and very resourceful. I just joined in December so I am happy this is coming early enough for me to correct previous mistakes from as pointed out in the points above. We need more of guidance and more of this to get the best from the steemit community.

We can do more with post like this.

Happy New year to you too!

Glad to know you find this helpful. And welcome to the platform. There are lots of guides out there, but these select are the ones i have read, and been impressed with.

  1. https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/newcomers-minnows-and-spammers-this-post-will-save-your-reputation
  2. https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments.

And then my very own here. Much of what i speak of in mine: https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@ebitularmbert/steemit-s-2017-five-5-bad-habits-you-should-avoid-in-2018-to-save-your-reputation is from own personal experience in the last few weeks. These two articles have been a good guide , and still are, for me.

Thanks @ebitularmbert for such an informative piece of work. It is a long, but i can assure you i didn't pause!

All your five points are captivating, educative, but the most revealing for me is point one. I think a very high percentage of members, especially us newbies are guilty of this habit.

Now i know the implications. All thanks to your work. I am also seeing it is generating a lot discussion. You are really valuable to us. Thanks u.

Hi Ebitu, thanks for the post. I'm new here and still trying to find my way around and work out the 'rules.' I thought upvoting your own comments was the done thing, though I can't see much monetary value it that. I'm going to stop doing that now.
There is a definite tug-of-war on Steemit between those who are in it just for the money and those who want to add value through content.
Upvoted, resteemed, followed, comment not upvoted!

You will find your footing soon enough. Just some more effort and persistence. Be involved. Show genuine interest in fellow steemit members, and you will move up fast. I advise you read, besides this post, these links i have provided.

They won't disappoint you.

  1. https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/newcomers-minnows-and-spammers-this-post-will-save-your-reputation
  2. https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments.

Are you on steemit chat? Join if you are not. It is a good way to start meeting and interracting with other members.

Also look up @mitneb, a proven guide to minnows/beginners. She has a Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/392747097981452288/396876091488468993

You should join to both interact with other members, and as well as have your posts curated, if they should be worthy. This is an invite link: https://discordapp.com/invite/jhEuJpJ

Wow, I actually read through all the above.

Recently I went to see a post and found it hidden. I checked who did the flagging, checked on their posts and could not see why it happened. so I interfered. I started off by calling the flagger a bully and in the end found myself in the wrong. We replied to each others' comments and became friends.

I went to the first guy and told him I am willing to help him, if he changes his ways.

He had only been on Steemit for 4 days...and had already made 1500 comments!

He stopped and I soon got him making decent posts and comments - and this pointed out to me that all the articles you offer above, they are only useful to those who learn about them. Most people start here with only the promotional fluff to guide them; post, comment and get paid.

Insted of automatically punishing transgressors, we should be looking for ways to encourage people to read the 'how-to' posts. Perhaps one way would be, do not allow new members to post or comment, until they have read at least one article that warns them of the mistakes they can make and what will happen to them if they think they are the only intelligent people to join and have seen the loopholes that make it easy to ger rich quick.

That is a valuable experience you share here, @arthur.grafo. And i am glad you took lessons from it. I wish all did.

Unfortunately some. the likes of @devsuraj even when give an ultimatum, and a really educative one as such, remain stubborn.

It is not the wish of any reputable steemian to flag anyone. But sometimes some individuals really abuse the platform, to a point where the only option, after several warnings, is to flag.

But yes, some people learn, and change, as in your experience.

I agree with you, entirely. The 'how-to' posts would of great help, at least as a precursor to any sort of retribution against offender. But you see, we don't actually 'automatically' punish transgressors.

Take the example of @devsuraj above, despite being warned several times, given ultimatums to make up by doing the exact thing you are suggesting-that is, to read posts we can rate as the 'how-to' posts

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@ebitularmbert/steemit-s-2017-five-5-bad-habits-you-should-avoid-in-2018-to-save-your-reputation

And:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@miti/a-complete-guide-for-newcomers-and-minnows-to-avoid-a-possible-spam-and-to-write-good-comments,

Still, he remained adamant. he left no other room for any thing except a flag

Hopefully, however, we can all really engage in productive engagement here, that no one will need to be flagged

Thanks for your thoughtful deliberation, @arthur.grafo. I am following you!

@ebitularmbert bro you have clearly explained what minnows have to avoid in order to be a successful steemian. I came to found you via @swissclive latest post comment section. You know, my introduction post received such an unbelievable response and then I thought steemit is easy. But things not moved in the same way (I did too many mistakes then) as I am learning every aspect to stand out. One major thing I learned as you said, It's no worth simply commenting on posts but sharing thoughtful comments on your interesting subject matters. Hope I survive with genuine thinking.

You sure did receive a high response for your introduction. I just looked it up. And maybe like most others, i i was captivated by the contrast in your academic, and in deed, occupational background against steemit knowledge.

Ideally somebody of your background, and experience of online blogging should have been aware! Conversant!

But of course you weren't!

It is incidentally not an isolate case. There ares still many out there, even tech suvvys who do not yet know the unique opportunity this platform provides. Hopefull we all have some small part to play in making the platform the Go-to.

I agree, one would be predisposed to thinking it is easy, if one received the level of success you had, with your introduction.

Having read your introduction, i can only tell you that you deserved that much attention. The quality, insight and originality of your post is top-drawer (evidence if you had any doubts, that steemit values quality, insightful, thought provoking and original content)

But like you say (i have not read into your blog in detail yet to judge for myself), you probably made too many mistakes, maybe betrayed that originality, that insightfulness, that quality that you were so rewarded for, in your introduction...

The good news is of course now that you are humble enough to admit rather than complain about 'unfairness' as some wrongly come to do. That is a good starting point.

You will certainly survive with genuine, interested thinking. I am following you so we can share i each others's works.

And since you mention it, @swissclive is a great guide for steemians, much owed.

Cheers @letyouread

Later only I realize (I mean to say in Steemit) things never come under control all the times. It's my responsibility to work smart to get things under control. Maybe few of my posts completely went wrong. I know it usually happens in the world of blogging. Trying out new ideas always healthy. But, you will start feeling fed up when failures always knock your doors and this might landing you quit (at least you have to stand strong a time out of 5 try). I hope I will contribute quality steemit posts for the community. And, Thanks for the encouragement and keep in touch.

My pleasure. Thanks

Would be great if we can upvote some of the pieces being written on Steemit in the FAQ / or 'Steemit for Dummies' - because lots and lots of Dummies live on Steemit.com, and this would explain a lot to new Steemians :D I'm affraid some Steemians will fall for the 'trap' in section 3 of your post, although I indeed can't believe this is a real business case... And I'm also very very affraid from the comments below your post even though posts like yours are written, the real Dummies will never read and never learn ;-)

My point 3, i know has different angles of looking at, @soyrosa. I agree. Still, i think that the one constant, irrespective of how we individually see it, is this: it is unethical.

What is the moral of upvoting? In the Quick Star guide, it is said Upvotes are Steemit's way of saying you like someone's post or comment.

Reading my conversation above, i had clearly spelled out my interest, (....You could start by reading my work...) in such a manner that left the person with the freedom to weigh and see if he/she liked, and yes, i was looking forward to his/her upvote!

But see the response...i still think that to be unethical.

We hope that the abusers/dummies come across such articles and read, and hopefully change. The idea, for us, is a steemit experience that is interactive, enjoyable.

I hope that we can sometime find common ground on such practices as outlined in point 3. Otherwise, thanks for your thoughtful deliberation. I am following you!

Yes, that would be amazing, to find a real 'guide' and agreed upon response to behaviour on Steemit.com that's unethical or unsupportive of the platform.

What I also believe, however, is that not all new Steemians know they're behaving unethical. I really like your patient response (pointing them to great explaining articles and encouraging them to become cool Steemians :D) to those people on your other comments! I might take an example in that instead of what I do now, which is ignoring those people.

So thanks for your contribution to the platform, and thanks for the follow as well! <3

The pleasure is mine. Thanks

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Excellent article, @ebitularmbert! You have given not only a great summary of some key points, but your additional advice and perspective on what your internal thoughts are as you come across these offending practices is a great addition to the narrative.

So many Newbie mistakes are made because of a lack of understanding of the platform, and how the many different aspects function. The more educational articles that can be written on these topics, the better. I know I made plenty of these same mistakes in my first month or so on Steemit.

One thing that you didn't mention was that there is a legitimate reason for upvoting your own comment immediately after posting: that would be to push it closer to the top of the comments. This can be a good idea if it is a truly valuable comment, and especially if there are many comments ahead of you. That being said, a Newbie is not going to have enough voting weight to make their comment rise very far, so for a Newbie your advice stands as given.

Thanks for posting this in the #resources channel of the @mitneb Curation Trail Project Discord Server. It is going to be a great resource for all of our members.

I have upvoted and resteemed this post as my daily post promotion for people whom I have previously curated.
Cheers!

Thanks for your compliments @mitneb. I am glad you find the article useful .

Its my sincere hope newbies, and others, more than read, but act in accordance.

Thanks for the observation about the legitimacy of upvoting one's own comment. You rationalize it all too well.

I am honored, as always by your ideas, curation, retseem..everything.

Thanks @ebitularmbert for very informative posts and lets build awesome community for fellow Steemians who respect each others posts and expose those that think that "There is nothing else" and build a system with integrity and let the tech catch up to the dodgy accounts who are just business related and squash them out in due time.👁‍🗨

I share the same hope with you. Thanks @egodust.

Thanks for the added information!

I regularly upvote my own replies to trending posts to get them above the bots. That is completely acceptable by most people here. They understand why you do it. If you don't do it, your post will be buried and never seen by the author.

Some of my friends auto-upvote my authored posts too to support me. That's not a bad thing. People go through those automatic settings from time to time to make sure they still want to send that automatic support. You have to earn it and maintain it too.

P.S. People will get bots to upvote their comments too. Or they have alternate accounts they control to upvote their replies. There are a lot of games like that played. Why it is done is what makes it good or bad for the platform I suppose. Sometimes it is good, and other times people are gaming the system. I don't upvote my replies to make money from it or game the system either.

You raise the same argument that @mitneb did raise earlier on.

One thing that you didn't mention was that there is a legitimate reason for upvoting your own comment immediately after posting: that would be to push it closer to the top of the comments......

Ever since writing the article, i have since become informed by arguments consistent to the one you here make. I have to say, with foresight now, and the information you here so aptly give

@mitneb did touch on the same, but you have here expounded the rationale...this whole thing about bots and automation as you so aptly say. I agree. The reasons you say justify it.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Thank you and you're very welcome. I think the key is to go back and remove your own upvote to keep it on the up and up. Sometimes I may forget to do that, but usually I do not. I have a couple high trending post replies right now as examples. At first I upvoted myself. Then I removed the vote. Thanks for this quality guide again! It's always great to meet another person fighting for the same cause.

I am glad, and very much honored by your thoughtful discourse here. For all its worth, i am following you now. Rest assured i will be an ACTIVE follower.

Kindest
@ebitularmbert

Thanks! It's hard to keep up with a feed, so perhaps come to the official steemit.chat channels? They make networking and updating people much easier.

I am already in steemit.chat. same names as here. Let me look you up shortly. Thanks

Hello there, @ebitularmbert :)

This is really a good read for a beginner on steemit.
Though I would think most of it should be obvious to everybody, there are clearly some wrong ideas of how to be "successful" going on.
You might gain a lot of followers, but, as you said, they're "dead" or dormant followers and that is not really what you want.
I think, if you spend time and energy on sharing things you love, the right people will start having interest in what you share and then you can get into contact with likeminded people...
Thank you very much for writing this piece of advice and for mentioning it in your comment to me!
Have a great day :)

You say it all too well, @viraythewitch.

I am very, very happy with how well you have been faithful. You know the posts i advised you to read, which i posted on the commentary of your introduction post , i also posted for many others. But for all of them, only you have really followed up, and not only read, but are here making thoughtful comments, just exactly what i advised.

I am very impressed with your attitude, mate, you will succeed here. I promise. Whatever i can do to help, you only need to say it, and i will. Becasue by this simple act of following advice such you have, you have proven worthy of success here at steemit.

For a start, and for all its worth, i am actually following you now. You won me. You have earned it. And i can promise you, i am going to be an ACTIVE follower.

I will follow your works, and share in them in the commentary. I hope they will be quality stuff!!

Thanks, and welcome again, @viraythewitch

Hellot here, @ebitularmbert :)

Thank you so much for your kind words! I am slowly getting to know the "how to do things" of this system and prepare for sharing my thoughts.
I have read a bit of your other works and I liked it very much (and will comment them, too) - just wanted to say, that you do a great job here for other beginners and try and make them feel at home real soon! (If they don't follow your advice, it's their own responsibility...)
So, thanks again and keep up the awesome work!
Have a great day!

nice artikel thank @ebitularmbert

You have been faithful to follow up with my advice, @syaisyah.

I am very happy. With this attitude, steemit is yours to conquer.

Ever need any help, just say. And i will be there pronto.

Meanwhile, for the simple act of faithfulness you have shown, you have won my heart. I am following you now!

You have earned it. You deserve it. Stay in touch, mate.

I am going to actively follow your works, and if they are of good quality, i will support !!

Cheers!
Larmbert

Thankyou for this, at first I think that it is okay to upvote yourself then suddenly I read this. It helps me a lot.

Thanks @maeolloves143. It is overall, not always right to upvote your own comment, but as i have since learned from the time i wrote this, there maybe exceptions, you know, time when you should actually upvote your own comment.

In his comment, @finnian gives a valid reason for upvoting your own comment

I regularly upvote my own replies to trending posts to get them above the bots. That is completely acceptable by most people here. They understand why you do it. If you don't do it, your post will be buried and never seen by the author.

Some of my friends auto-upvote my authored posts too to support me. That's not a bad thing. People go through those automatic settings from time to time to make sure they still want to send that automatic support. You have to earn it and maintain it too.

P.S. People will get bots to upvote their comments too. Or they have alternate accounts they control to upvote their replies. There are a lot of games like that played. Why it is done is what makes it good or bad for the platform I suppose. Sometimes it is good, and other times people are gaming the system. I don't upvote my replies to make money from it or game the system either.

Prior to that, @mitneb had said something similar, also giving those exceptional times when upvoting one's own comment may be justified.

Excellent article, @ebitularmbert! You have given not only a great summary of some key points, but your additional advice and perspective on what your internal thoughts are as you come across these offending practices is a great addition to the narrative.

So many Newbie mistakes are made because of a lack of understanding of the platform, and how the many different aspects function. The more educational articles that can be written on these topics, the better. I know I made plenty of these same mistakes in my first month or so on Steemit.

One thing that you didn't mention was that there is a legitimate reason for upvoting your own comment immediately after posting: that would be to push it closer to the top of the comments. This can be a good idea if it is a truly valuable comment, and especially if there are many comments ahead of you. That being said, a Newbie is not going to have enough voting weight to make their comment rise very far, so for a Newbie your advice stands as given.

So overall, it finally comes down to circumstances under which you choose to upvote your own comments.

Thanks for sharing in the discussion, @maeolloves143

Thank too i hope you will help me in this work :) Gobless @ebitularmbert

Stay in touch @maeolloves143, Stay in touch!

Great job taking your time to outline all these details am actually new here and would as much as possible do my best in given content to my replies

Once again am totally impressed with this walk in hand guide

Cheers

I am glad you found this useful. Stay in touch @megamindz. At every rate, i advice the same to all newbies, be interested in other people's works, ensure to look up their posts, and comment. Yes comment, but, and this is the key, comment thoughtfully. Make sure your comment triggers a discussion, or adds value to it.

Cheers mate

Otherwise, welcome to steemit @megamindz. You will finally settle in, although i have to say it will take a while, but you will finally.
Of course it is easy to say and encourage as such, but that is only the truth. I am personally still a minnow like you (i hope you know who that is), and also still have much to learn, and far to go. I understand the frustrations that we have to encounter, but if i can testify to anything, it is that if you remain committed, passionate, persistent, persevering....that 25 will climb to 26, to 28, 30 and on and on....including the earnings, and the number of followers.

Stay along mate, the journey only gets better...