Don't we all want to change the world? An extended introduction post (adjusted to keep information current with how it works now):
Steem Basic Income - a re-introduction
I have been very interested in the social experiments around Universal Basic Income.
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As I review the literature on Universial Basic Income, there are two basic questions that always come to mind.
What will pay for it?
How will the money be distributed?
I don't know what the final answers will be for basic income to happen at a societal or universal level, but is there any reason something like Steem couldn't be part of the answer?
The purpose of this project is to provide every Steemian with a basic income.
How can we do that?
To be honest, we probably can't. We don't have enough resources. What may seem small to some, a few cents or a few dollars a day, may be meaningful to others. For this to work, we need people to buy into the system, or sponsor others into the system.
Enrollment
Sounds intriguing... How do I sign up?
Send 1 STEEM to @steembasicincome. Include the name of who you want to sponsor in the comments. You and the person you sponsor will each receive shares in the program. You can also send 1 SBD and the extra value will be treated as a donation to the program and used for promotion or powering up.
Okay, so I signed up. Now what?
You and the person you sponsored will be added to the pool. Each member of the program will receive their Steem Basic Income through post upvotes. The total vote strength available will be divided by the number of shares to determine the vote weight each share receives.
Growing your Steem Basic Income
These seem like small upvotes. Can I increase it?
There are several ways to increase your Steem Basic Income.
Upvote comments and posts from @steembasicincome to power up the votes.
Sponsor more members into the pool. Every time you sponsor a member, you will each receive 1 share. By sponsoring more members you can receive more shares.
Delegate SP to @steembasicincome. This increases the income for everyone. Thank you!
Buy Steem. As Steem goes up, the value of your basic income increases.
Troubleshooting
I didn't get my income today. What happened?
You have to post to receive your income. We are also developing functionality to reward comments, but this might not be working yet. Some content may be blocked from receiving support. Please make sure that your post or comment is somewhere work appropriate. There could also be some issue with the bot. Please message @steembasicincome or @josephsavage for assistance.
Help! My reputation is under attack! Will that affect my income? @steembasicincome periodically reviews reputation of existing members. If your reputation drop below 20, you could be greylisted and not receive your basic income again for a while.
What if I don't usually post every day?
We would prefer to reward your best quality content. Since there needs to be something for us to upvote, you need to at least post sometimes. There will be a periodic review of post frequency and member weights may be adjusted to align with your posting frequency. Members that attempt to abuse this may be removed from the system.
Help! I was removed by @josephsavage and he refused to reinstate me!
In the event that a user disagrees with an administrative decision to impose a temporary or permanent removal, there will be an appeal process. The offending user can choose 1 members from the recipient list (published periodically) and @josephsavage will choose 1 member. Those members will review the elements of the case and decide whether the removal should be reversed. (Appointed members may decline appointment). If they are unable to reach a consensus decision, they may each appoint 2 more members (total of 6), and the case can be decided by majority. If they are still unable to agree, the original ruling from @josephsavage is upheld by default.
This process may be revised, but any revision must be approved by a majority of voting members. A voting post would be published with the new proposed rules and a yes or no comment. The comment with the most member votes (not highest reward) will determine the outcome.
All rules are subject to change until there are members that have paid to sponsor and join. (At launch all members were sponsored and selected by @josephsavage). At that point, changes would need approved through the voting post process. Dissenting members that have sponsored others into the program will be fully or partially refunded if the total Basic Income they have received does not exceed 200% of their initial registration cost (1 Steem per share acquired through sponsoring another member). Sponsored shares (registration fee was paid by somebody else) are not eligible for refund for any reason.
Let's talk math
With the initial investments from @josephsavage, the program started out with 189 SP in voting power, and only 18 shares. That's over 18 SP per share, but it only cost 1 STEEM to add 2 shares. From the start, we knew that adding new members would dilute the existing members. The SP per share will approach the cost per share. (Essentially each member pays in advance for the upvotes they and the person they sponsor will receive.)
Effectively, this is the opposite of a ponzi scheme, as new members are benefitted by the investment already made by existing members, instead of existing members benefitting from the addition of new members. With this math, the incentive to sponsor members is to keep adding new shares for yourself (and provide basic support to other Steemians). (Dark Blue Line in the chart below)
We offset this disequilibrium by spending the STEEM from registration fees on 90-day delegation leasing on the blocktrades market. 1 STEEM buys 14 SP of delegation. This results in a higher equilibrium... predictably around 7 SP per share, as 1 STEEM buys 2 shares. Curation rewards from upvoting members posts are factored into this, and don't really have a material impact. (Orange line)
Since 7 SP per share confers a daily vote worth roughly 0.02 SP, it would allow each new member to at least recoup their initial spend before the delegation starts to expire.
After 90 days, there would still be a disequilibrium as delegation expires and SP/share would start to drop again. Since members would have recovered their initial investment by that point, we expect some members to increase their shares (and sponsor more people), allowing delegation to be renewed and slow the disequilbrium.
We have known since before launch that there will be potential issues after the 90-day mark. We are clear about the income being small, and identified four ways of overcoming that:
Upvote comments and posts from @steembasicincome to power up the votes.
Sponsor more members into the pool. Every time you sponsor a member, you will each receive 1 share. By sponsoring more members you can receive more shares.
Delegate SP to @steembasicincome. This increases the income for everyone. Thank you!
Buy Steem. As Steem goes up, the value of your basic income increases.
- The 2nd method allows each individual to overcome their own dilution by reinvesting (but essentially still a reverse-ponzi scheme).
- The 4th method is the rising tide. Even though dilution is still happening, as STEEM appreciates the $ value of the upvotes gradually increases, but it doesn't change the disequilibrium problems.
- The 3rd method (free delegation to the pool) would slow the dilution, but could result in faster enrollment. In the long run, they same problem happens. New members typically recover their investment within 90 days and then subsequent income would slow to a trickle. Not really a permanent basic income solution.
- The 1st method (upvote comments and posts from @steembasicincome) is where the magic happens. This brings extra SP into the pool (through author rewards). If every member shares 1 upvote (full or partial) it grows the pool and extends the time before disequilibrium.
Since the limit of members can't actually reach infinity, the disequilibrium point only needs postponed until the rate of new enrollment drops below the growth from author and curation rewards. At that point, there will be a steady rise in the basic income that each member receives. We don't have a baseline estimate for how many members will consistently upvote the update posts, so we don't have a pretty chart for this.
TLDR
Math, math, math your basic income will cover your enrollment and then gradually drop off into nothing unless you enroll more shares after 90 days, math, math, math.
Unless everybody upvotes @steembasicincome. If that happens, we all get sustainable basic income.
So basically this is a vote buying club? You pay upfront and agree to upvote posts which generates revenue for everyone in the club that will be shared by receiving upvotes on your posts?
This is an actual question I received. And here is my actual response:
You're essentially correct, but there are some differentiating features.
First, in order to get shares for yourself, you have to sponsor shares for somebody else. This creates a more diverse membership and encourages supporting people that might not have the liquid funds to join voting clubs.
Second, upvoting the posts made by the @steembasicincome account is not required, whereas for most voting clubs there is some requirement in that regard.
Finally, the upvotes are individually weighted for each member, based on typical weekly posting behavior, so it doesn't pressure members to publish when they wouldn't otherwise, just for their daily upvote.If your philosophy is that individual posts should be rewarded, rather than individual members, than you are free to disagree and not participate.
Math often causes ventures to fall short of reality. We would love to provide a steadily rising basic income for everyone, but the money has to come from somewhere (just like with a universal basic income). In this case, the money has to come from people choosing to support it by sponsoring fellow Steemians and by upvoting it to grant it a greater share of the reward pool. Ultimately, most of the basic income you have already received came from @josephsavage choosing to offer a generous project grant to get the ball rolling.
What if I hate this?
If you completely disagree with what we are doing, please feel free to move on. If you were sponsored by somebody else, and want nothing to do with it... please let us know, and your share will be deleted. Since you paid nothing, you won't get a refund, but we will grey-list you and allow future potential sponsors to choose somebody else instead.
Where are we now?
When we started and did our first testing, delegation orders were being filled very quickly. Now extreme demand in the delegation market has resulted in delay each time new orders for delegation are sent to @blocktrades. We believe this is caused by the breaking of the SBD peg to the dollar, although we accept that may be a controversial statement.
Delays in filling delegation orders have resulted in dilution effect being closer to the blue curve instead of the orange curve. This will pop back up when our open orders are filled, so there is currently some extreme volatility in our vote values.
Further, about 80% of the post rewards are coming in SBD instead of SP. This poses an interesting possibility...
Let's Talk Bidding Bots
@josephsavage has an active post promotion strategy using bidding bots. He has been using it for this project, for The Daily Sneak, and for his own articles. Having been applied to 45 posts since initiation, the strategy generates an average return of slightly better than 10% per post. If the liquid post rewards (SBD) are deployed using this strategy, it could grow the SP of the project more quickly (drawing in 'support' from various bidding bots) and offset the dilution.
We know that some of our members don't like bidding bots. We will be following this strategy for the next week, but we will put it to a vote. Below this post, I will make two comments:
I would like SBD to be spend on bidding bots to add that profitability to the reward pool
I don't like bidding bots. The SBD earned by @steembasicincome should be spent on STEEM and used to power up.
Upvote whichever comment aligns with your views, and feel free to chime in with your thoughts. We will treat this as a potential rule change, and follow one member, one vote. If you don't care, don't upvote either comment. (Or upvote both and let your votes cancel out!)
This is the math-filled extended introduction, and we hope that you have stayed with us! We will do a simpler overview of the project each week, so that there is always a pending version that we can share with new sponsored members. If you read this whole article and are happy you joined (or were sponsored)... welcome to the party!!
I don't like bidding bots. The SBD earned by @steembasicincome should be spent on STEEM and used to power up.
it is not so much that I don't like bitbots - well, I don't or don't understand them. But I think right now, with SBD being so high - it makes more sense to power up. Actually - for longevity of the project, personally, I am in favor of keeping the steem coming in and have lower upvotes until the pool keeps growing more.... Thinking long term...
Thinking long-term, we have reserved some of the voting power to upvote the update posts (always after 30 minutes, usually within the first day). We also occasionally update the voting weights to try to keep the voting power between 90 and 97. It got a little high today, so more tweaking is in order when the next batch of enrollments are processed.
I love the mission statement. I'm not sure how we'll get there (wouldn't it be nice if someone with more $$ than anyone could reasonably spend were to donate... I'm looking at you @blocktrades), but I'm all in with my dime upvotes to benefit a whole community with a UBI! Also, don't forget, you'll get some income from curation rewards.
Thanks for your support @improv! We built curation rewards into the projections. They don't add up to much at the start, but they do create a compounding effect that also helps to offset the dilution.
My feeling about bid-bots is that they harm the platform. I wish that NOBODY used them and that would put an end to them.
Thanks for sharing!
You are most welcome. Thanks for starting this initiative. It sounds promising.
nice
I would like SBD to be spend on bidding bots to add that profitability to the reward pool
I believe in using Bid Bots. But only on Quality posts :)
What if I honestly don't have enough (1) steem to sponsor someone. Can I be that brazen to ask someone here, who possibly want to enter the club but don't have any particular person to sponsor, to sponsor me ? As for myself, I promise to sponsor 2 more persons in as soon as I grow enough in affording to spend 2 steems for it. The reason why I write all this, is that I deeply liked the idea (@steembasicincome seems really something opposite to endless ponzi proposals) and so I want to try steembasicincome out so much. The other reason is that yesterday trying to buy steem dollars to somehow empower my account I occasionally bought 6 steem power. I though may be this is not a bad at all after I have been bandwidth limited for some days for a certain perion of day. Since about 20 pm till 01 am Grinvich time. This bandwith limit keeps occurring in the same period time even if I din't post or comment anything the whole day before. It seems this is just how the whole steem system is working now, limiting hardly minnow accounts during hot hours. Anyway those 6 steem power didn't actually help as this is the first comment for today, and today at the same time I faced the usual bandwidth limit and had to wait 2 hours to post this ask here.
So please consider me as a person who is really craving to enter this club. If you let me in, please know that you have just fulfilled my small but true dream.
There are a couple of contests running right now where members are giving away shares. Please check our feed for details.
@steembasicincome Thank you for showing me the possible way of getting in. I will check the contests in my feed and if I qualify will participate for sure as I eager to have at least one share to test how all your system works.
good inf follow now
So, just for clarification, does the 1 steem sponsorship last for 90 days?
No, there is no limit to how long the sponsorship lasts.
Well... THANK YOU @sostrin for signing me up... Thank you @steembasicincome for trying to find innovative ways for people to earn here. I am NOT a fan of bots, but I am going to attempt to take part in this and see if I can find the bright side of botting...
What we do is a lot different than the bidding bots, and our members voted against our continuing to use them. Welcome aboard. If you have particular concerns, we are always happy to engage in dialogue.
I will keep it in mind. I have been a user on @steemfollower for a little while. It has a unique approach as well. I hope @steembasicincome has tremendous success.
Thanks for your well wishes!
I suck at math. But this theoretically looks pretty amazing. Commenting here so I can find this post. Can I send over an SBD now - and find someone to sponsor later? Would like to check with that person first...
If you want to check with that person first, it would be preferred to wait, so that we can match things up correctly and process your enrollments together.
Since most people do not object to receiving upvotes (and there is no obligation on the person that you sponsor to ever do anything), I don't know whether members are checking with the people they sponsor before enrolling or not. I suspect that most do not.
Also, you can enroll with STEEM (we welcome SBD since it's worth a little more right now, but the actual fee is in STEEM - if you send SBD instead the extra will be treated as a donation).
Ok cool thanks for the info :-)
You're welcome!
@gyldenhorn
It's fantastic that you have somebody in mind! For us to register your enrollments, you need to send 1 STEEM to @steembasicincome with their name in the comment. Then we will register each of you with 1 share in the program.
Why don't you use @minnowbooster for buying deleations? They have a much better standard rate and I think now you can name your own price.
Thanks, this is the direction we are looking at going now since it's no longer available through blocktrades. When we checked it before, the blocktrades rate for 90 days was better than the minnowbooster rate.
i do still understand so little, but i do notice i got a few high rewarded votes, I have the idea it is caused by @basicincome, Now can i do that more times? I want to do it for two other people. Or is it better that they do it their self? And what happens when they then put my name as comment?
You can check your articles on https://steemworld.org/@steembasicincome (just substitute your own name after the @). It breaks down a lot of helpful information about your account. We use it to identify posting frequency and weight the votes of individual members correctly.
Also, it is fine to sponsor as many people as you would look like and they can also sponsor you. I only send confirmation messages the first time somebody is enrolled, but you will see your share counts go up in each update.
Can we do both? Half and half seems like it could work, eventually you will have to power up , you can't just spend it all on bidding bots eternally.
That's a good compromise, and I was thinking about moving toward that even before the final outcome, depending on how the votes go.
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I'm excited to be part of this project and it seems to be apositive move. Thank you for the opportunity to grow & thanks @mariannewest for the kind sponsor!
We're happy to have you aboard.
I'm excited <3
We have joined your program and followed this blog. Please keep updating it with such well-written and informative articles. We want to keep promoting this worthy project to as many people on Steemit as will listen to us!! We also want more ways to support what you are doing. Please give that some thought -- and let us know what we can do. We believe in this effort. The idea behind it will eventually be the way of the future in civilized societies. It makes so much sense!! Meanwhile ...
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I am posting this so I can review it later. This comment makes for a quick find on my home page.
Did you ever make it back to review later?
That's funny. You are now reminding me of this post. I return and refresh my memory, I remember why I wrote that comment. First I know there is good solid information in this post. I will want to have. Here is the Second reason It is a "BOOK" you have written. I have to mentally prepare to attend this class. LOL. I will do that task tonight. Thank you for following up, I do appreciate it. I did lose track of that comment/link. :- )
Thank you @steembasicincome for promoting this post together with https://steemit.com/budget/@jerrybanfield/introducing-steem-budget-proposals
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It's great services by you. Best of luck, I will transfer very soon
Okay, just to be clear, I transfer one SBD to @steembasicincome, and put the name of the steemian I want to sponsor in the memo?
Hey, I just joined the community, wish everyone luck! :)