Ok @cicbar i will wade back into you on this here, as I see that @sisygoboom has stepped in which is great !) So i agree with you both on the thing as its true for both the available criterias avaialable they produce i think negative effects on visibilty of "true" and " good " content, as the algorithim of steem lists to the trending page posts which have the most weight in rewards in dollars and not especially based on the " true and real readership and enjoyment" of a post ! Something which clearly many posts we are seeing on the trending page lack as they are there due to " gsming" of the system and not especially because the post interests anybody at all ! To cite an example lol @haejin ))
So what I think we need to do and it would be very simplke to effectuate is to add one button which can only be enacted by a click with a mouse and not by the present "robot" control regime of accounts permissions !
So that if a user " has" read the post and has truly enjoyed it he or she could click this " steemit@pproved" button to submit it to the algorithim which would simply create the read@approved trending list based on this particular information and not like now on purely finacial rewards ! This would solve the problem and would revolutionise Steemit as its trending page would be full now i am sure with the " great content " surely out there but not visible !Sp improving greatly the experience of Steemit for all ! We could have another section for the list of higest rewarded post or the present trending list of post based on money and that would i guess make people dream or get angry as ever and now ? lol
I liked idea of @sisygoboom that we should have most rewarded and most voted columns. If we can add on that your idea that we somehow stop robot votes, that would be perfect for Steemit :-)
well agreed @cicbar ) But my idea was that no ?? The number of votes is not a good criteria to judge real good content posts as the number of votes is again an information which is based on robotic style votes and trails, so not representative or a refelction of real user feedback ! My idea of a seperate "read@approved" button would be the way that users enjoyment factor could be counted and supplied in a new " Consensus" list and provided by Steemit,s algorithim !
I think in theory it does sound great, but this is a free market and everything is bought and sold; if you look at the promoted page you'll see people paying hundreds of dollars to get to the top and barely get a couple of dollars back in votes, so we know people don't expect returns when advertising here, and if they can get their posts into the "good quality read@approved" page they'll just buy people's votes, or use lots of fake accounts and it'll effectively become the same as a vote counter.
As much as something like that would be great, it'll likely be corrupted by greed since this is a capitalist system, and the reason it's all robotic is because when you do that mouseclick, you're activating some javascript that any dev could easily replicate.
Well im not sure this would be the case as you would have to have alot of fake accounts to seriously influence and be visible on the " reader@approved" section 1 No i am sure that this " physical click" made by a user can be an effective way for users to just say i read this and like it ! With so many users now I think the results would be very hard to sawy artificially by buying people to this for them ! Just would not be worth it ! As indeed this " click" would be a voluntary action and would just be a " yes i liked this 2 thing ! We could have as I said in my earlier comment a section for trending list based on value of rewards in dollars. ie the present trending section ! But this new secondary " read@approved2 section would just be based on real users votes and opinions and desire to promote this particualr post to the community because they liked it ! One thing is for sure, right now it is somehwat of a broken system , we all see it and I truly think this simple possibility for a reader to vote his enjoyment on a post might be the solution and bring a bit of reality to the so much needed and talked about " good content " required by steemit to show other platforms that we mean business ! Its a win win for everybody concerned with this platfrom i feel ! )
Once we have like half a million daily users it could be really effective. Even more effective if the steem devs do their best to exclude the read@approved feature from their APIs (which would unfortunately limit the feature to steemit.com) but might help to deter automation.
Hi @sisygoboom ! great that you like me are sticking to this importsnt issue ! thanks for thread ) Well these "bad" accounts, which I think we can actually can call them, will always be there, let them carry on with their behaviour as it exposes them to indignation from those that see and will cut them from off in time from the true activities of this growing and I think good Community striving to lift themselves from the mud that these sorts do stir in this Ocean of Steem and probably also the wider real world !
So ive been thinking a little more on this problem! Infact we do not need to add another button or feature to the API at all ! As indeed the manual click of a user to be registered to compile this new list which relects "readers-joy" of reading and interest is already here !!
Namely the " Resteem" button !!! One which only a " real" person present on a post could chose to click !Surean account with 4000 accounts could amuse himself by using each one to resteem his own post, but ! Christ! lol thats sure is alot of clicks to just try and be visible in this newly created and free from bot votes and money scetion ! This section could be the beautiful shot in the arm that Steemit clearly so badly needs! The "Read&Resteemed" section would give power to the majority of minnow readers and the posts they produce, to have their say, their huge numbers comapred to Whales would make this section their own, oh so badly needed "voice and influence"! The influence through sheer numbers that smaller accounts cry for and deserve !! Let the majority of all users express themselves to give the " consensus" on which post today was most read and enjoyed ! This would make the newest and I feel best button on Steemit "Resteem" the "Ring to Rule them All ! " )) So maybe this is the info which we could collect and correlate with the Alogrithim ?? What do you say to that ?? )
Oh I would like to see this taken up across the board whether it be steemit,Busy, Zappl, Dtube or Dmania !! Why not, that the till now silent majority become the roar of consensus which could not be ignored and the real powerHouse and controllers of great contrent that we as investors of time and even money should want to see here on this Blockchain of Steem !
Ok @cicbar i will wade back into you on this here, as I see that @sisygoboom has stepped in which is great !) So i agree with you both on the thing as its true for both the available criterias avaialable they produce i think negative effects on visibilty of "true" and " good " content, as the algorithim of steem lists to the trending page posts which have the most weight in rewards in dollars and not especially based on the " true and real readership and enjoyment" of a post ! Something which clearly many posts we are seeing on the trending page lack as they are there due to " gsming" of the system and not especially because the post interests anybody at all ! To cite an example lol @haejin ))
So what I think we need to do and it would be very simplke to effectuate is to add one button which can only be enacted by a click with a mouse and not by the present "robot" control regime of accounts permissions !
So that if a user " has" read the post and has truly enjoyed it he or she could click this " steemit@pproved" button to submit it to the algorithim which would simply create the read@approved trending list based on this particular information and not like now on purely finacial rewards ! This would solve the problem and would revolutionise Steemit as its trending page would be full now i am sure with the " great content " surely out there but not visible !Sp improving greatly the experience of Steemit for all ! We could have another section for the list of higest rewarded post or the present trending list of post based on money and that would i guess make people dream or get angry as ever and now ? lol
I liked idea of @sisygoboom that we should have most rewarded and most voted columns. If we can add on that your idea that we somehow stop robot votes, that would be perfect for Steemit :-)
well agreed @cicbar ) But my idea was that no ?? The number of votes is not a good criteria to judge real good content posts as the number of votes is again an information which is based on robotic style votes and trails, so not representative or a refelction of real user feedback ! My idea of a seperate "read@approved" button would be the way that users enjoyment factor could be counted and supplied in a new " Consensus" list and provided by Steemit,s algorithim !
I think in theory it does sound great, but this is a free market and everything is bought and sold; if you look at the promoted page you'll see people paying hundreds of dollars to get to the top and barely get a couple of dollars back in votes, so we know people don't expect returns when advertising here, and if they can get their posts into the "good quality read@approved" page they'll just buy people's votes, or use lots of fake accounts and it'll effectively become the same as a vote counter.
As much as something like that would be great, it'll likely be corrupted by greed since this is a capitalist system, and the reason it's all robotic is because when you do that mouseclick, you're activating some javascript that any dev could easily replicate.
Well im not sure this would be the case as you would have to have alot of fake accounts to seriously influence and be visible on the " reader@approved" section 1 No i am sure that this " physical click" made by a user can be an effective way for users to just say i read this and like it ! With so many users now I think the results would be very hard to sawy artificially by buying people to this for them ! Just would not be worth it ! As indeed this " click" would be a voluntary action and would just be a " yes i liked this 2 thing ! We could have as I said in my earlier comment a section for trending list based on value of rewards in dollars. ie the present trending section ! But this new secondary " read@approved2 section would just be based on real users votes and opinions and desire to promote this particualr post to the community because they liked it ! One thing is for sure, right now it is somehwat of a broken system , we all see it and I truly think this simple possibility for a reader to vote his enjoyment on a post might be the solution and bring a bit of reality to the so much needed and talked about " good content " required by steemit to show other platforms that we mean business ! Its a win win for everybody concerned with this platfrom i feel ! )
It's worth noting that certain individuals have access to thousands of accounts though, this guy for example:
https://steemit.com/life/@chaknorris/how-to-succeed
And then @smartmarket has over 4000 vote sellers
Once we have like half a million daily users it could be really effective. Even more effective if the steem devs do their best to exclude the read@approved feature from their APIs (which would unfortunately limit the feature to steemit.com) but might help to deter automation.
Hi @sisygoboom ! great that you like me are sticking to this importsnt issue ! thanks for thread ) Well these "bad" accounts, which I think we can actually can call them, will always be there, let them carry on with their behaviour as it exposes them to indignation from those that see and will cut them from off in time from the true activities of this growing and I think good Community striving to lift themselves from the mud that these sorts do stir in this Ocean of Steem and probably also the wider real world !
So ive been thinking a little more on this problem! Infact we do not need to add another button or feature to the API at all ! As indeed the manual click of a user to be registered to compile this new list which relects "readers-joy" of reading and interest is already here !!
Namely the " Resteem" button !!! One which only a " real" person present on a post could chose to click !Surean account with 4000 accounts could amuse himself by using each one to resteem his own post, but ! Christ! lol thats sure is alot of clicks to just try and be visible in this newly created and free from bot votes and money scetion ! This section could be the beautiful shot in the arm that Steemit clearly so badly needs! The "Read&Resteemed" section would give power to the majority of minnow readers and the posts they produce, to have their say, their huge numbers comapred to Whales would make this section their own, oh so badly needed "voice and influence"! The influence through sheer numbers that smaller accounts cry for and deserve !! Let the majority of all users express themselves to give the " consensus" on which post today was most read and enjoyed ! This would make the newest and I feel best button on Steemit "Resteem" the "Ring to Rule them All ! " )) So maybe this is the info which we could collect and correlate with the Alogrithim ?? What do you say to that ?? )
Oh I would like to see this taken up across the board whether it be steemit,Busy, Zappl, Dtube or Dmania !! Why not, that the till now silent majority become the roar of consensus which could not be ignored and the real powerHouse and controllers of great contrent that we as investors of time and even money should want to see here on this Blockchain of Steem !
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