Your free to say whatever you want. I'm free to not respond, not listen, mute you, not vote on you, not follow you, etc. I completely believe in free speech. That doesn't mean I'll support people insulting other people and belittling them. At the moment that doesn't get anyone very far here on steemit.
stalkers and bullies in the community is a problem...and a good reason why STEEM will fall....you cannot increase good authors on all topics if you allow bullies to do these things
I don't allow bullies to do anything. I give them no support. So what does that have to do with anything I said? If a person is an ass then it is THEY who have something to learn. You are free to speak, that doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your speech.
Free speech never was about forcing people to listen. It was about not stopping you from speaking. People could fire you still, they could choose not to serve you, etc.
Speech is free. You just need to have realistic expectations on how people will react.
Abusive speech and name calling doesn't typically convince anyone of anything other than the person being an ass. So if you truly are trying to change minds it is not the way to go. It's pretty unimpressive.
You HAVEN'T spoken to me this way YET. This is me responding hypothetically to your initial comment.
If people need to use FUD and opinion that is disrespectful and/or offensive then I'd flip your statement on you and state my OPINION that it is they that have something to learn. Then perhaps later I'll learn that they are no longer an ass. :) Then we might have some interesting exchanges.
It is simple..not you...but a person should not be bullied, attacked or stalked for posting a blog about the price of STEEM....it is that simple....this will get out and the STEEM price will crash over this BS in the community...
It is simple..not you...but a person should not be bullied, attacked or stalked for posting a blog about the price of STEEM
I agree with that.
How did you respond to them when they did?
Also we've had people saying things like this about steem and steemit for over a year. We've gone through Ponzi scheme talks, etc. So far the predictions have not come true. They may, but so far it doesn't seem to be the case.
he posted name calling on my page....and he then flagged it where it fall off line with his steem power.....and yes, his actions have done nothing but show how flawed the Steemit business model really is....BTW I have extensive experience in all of this stuff off of Wall Street and the Internet...I have been on CNBC over 100 times and featured on the cover of the Wall Street Journal ....my experience today from this guy have confirmed that I am right on target....again, when I asked him to remove all flags, he has refused and to me to move on....what after he bullied me and creamed my new account in Steemit?.....so he can come back later and do it again? I dont think so..
SInce I posted an article why STEEM price would fall (from $2.09)...several Bullies have called it FUD which is childish BS.....now this guy below is flagging every article that i have written about any topic, and stalking me. Is this how the Steemit Community wants to be managed? By THUGS controlling what you even say? That is not free speech...
Community Needs to Gang up on "Bacchist" Has as a Thug and Bully....he is trying to beat up everyone who he disagrees with and he is flagging the same people over and over 24/7 like some nut case...most bullies only understand one thing....a bloody nose, in this case where the community lashes back at this guy for bullying new users to do and say what HE wants...NOT GOOD!
I am not a fan of the flag. Especially when it is used for opinion. I won't answer it by using it. I use the flag exclusively for spam, abuse, and plagiarism.
The only way I've found to stop a bully here is to deal with them with civility. Calling them a bully likely won't get them to stop. Having a discussion with them and avoiding name calling and such might.
There are people bigger than @bacchist, but I am not one of them. He got involved in some sports posts which are far more popular with the masses then what I write, so though we started at the same time he is more powerful than I am.
I've also had many exchanges with him. He supports communism, I do not. That's an area we disagree on, but we each show each other mutual respect.
Generally you can convince people with WORDS but it requires doing it calmly and without ATTACKING them. That can get them to stop, but it would have to come from you. Not me.
Furthermore, answering flags with flags just makes things worse. We've seen it here before.
I asked him to stop and to remove all flags and leave me alone..he has refused and has lost his mind....that is a bully...all he has to do is remove all the flags off my page and move on...that is all he needs to do...he is trying to mully me off of steemit....so the choice I have is to go after him and stay on his ass until he learns to stop and move on....but hee needs to remove every single flag across my entire page which he started,....I am a new user...I did not even know how to flag until he lost his mind on my page.....@bacchist he thinks this is all funny....I am 54 years old and a veteran...I will NOT be bullied like this...I fought in Iraq...do you think I will coward to a guy like this...he needs to reverse all OFF my page and I will move on
It likely depends a lot on how you responded. Calling someone any names, including bully typically won't convince people of anything. It only makes them more angry and focused on you. Thus, it is a losing strategy.
Making demands also will not go over well. People don't like being told what to do.
You can ask, and it might work. Making demands usually will not.
And having not read it all I am commenting on is what you are telling me.
You need to settle it with him. Perhaps try another tactic.
Ask him if perhaps he will leave you alone and if he really doesn't like you tell him to mute you and you'd be fine with that. Then he won't see any of your posts or comments.
all good suggestions....his first post was calling me an idiot then flagging me all over the place...now he is staling me...and yes,,,,I have said to him if he removes all his flags, then i will move on and he needs to move on...he will not do that....when i see people like this, they always come back to bully even more and they try to get others to bully you....so he can take the flags off all my page and articles and be nice with people or face the community ....I have read from others about he has done this before.
Don't ask him to remove the flags. Live with them. Now see if you can get him to move on and not flag any more. Tell him you are fine with him muting you if that would satisfy him. Yet it needs to be civil.
If you know any martial arts... think Aikido instead of Karate. Instead of striking and attacking, go with the flow and use their own momentum.
Yes, I know that is some bullshit, but it sounded good at the time. ;) In my head at least.
@baah and you calling people "cunts" who you disagree with make it right? does it?....so after you posted the above, you then go on under an unrelated article and call a person a cunt? You may want to follow your own advice before giving it to others....take care
Your free to say whatever you want. I'm free to not respond, not listen, mute you, not vote on you, not follow you, etc. I completely believe in free speech. That doesn't mean I'll support people insulting other people and belittling them. At the moment that doesn't get anyone very far here on steemit.
stalkers and bullies in the community is a problem...and a good reason why STEEM will fall....you cannot increase good authors on all topics if you allow bullies to do these things
I don't allow bullies to do anything. I give them no support. So what does that have to do with anything I said? If a person is an ass then it is THEY who have something to learn. You are free to speak, that doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your speech.
Free speech never was about forcing people to listen. It was about not stopping you from speaking. People could fire you still, they could choose not to serve you, etc.
Speech is free. You just need to have realistic expectations on how people will react.
Abusive speech and name calling doesn't typically convince anyone of anything other than the person being an ass. So if you truly are trying to change minds it is not the way to go. It's pretty unimpressive.
You HAVEN'T spoken to me this way YET. This is me responding hypothetically to your initial comment.
If people need to use FUD and opinion that is disrespectful and/or offensive then I'd flip your statement on you and state my OPINION that it is they that have something to learn. Then perhaps later I'll learn that they are no longer an ass. :) Then we might have some interesting exchanges.
It is simple..not you...but a person should not be bullied, attacked or stalked for posting a blog about the price of STEEM....it is that simple....this will get out and the STEEM price will crash over this BS in the community...
I agree with that.
How did you respond to them when they did?
Also we've had people saying things like this about steem and steemit for over a year. We've gone through Ponzi scheme talks, etc. So far the predictions have not come true. They may, but so far it doesn't seem to be the case.
he posted name calling on my page....and he then flagged it where it fall off line with his steem power.....and yes, his actions have done nothing but show how flawed the Steemit business model really is....BTW I have extensive experience in all of this stuff off of Wall Street and the Internet...I have been on CNBC over 100 times and featured on the cover of the Wall Street Journal ....my experience today from this guy have confirmed that I am right on target....again, when I asked him to remove all flags, he has refused and to me to move on....what after he bullied me and creamed my new account in Steemit?.....so he can come back later and do it again? I dont think so..
Have a nice day. :)
Note I didn't say FLAG you. I avoid the flag except in extreme occasions... I'd likely simply mute you if it came to that.
SInce I posted an article why STEEM price would fall (from $2.09)...several Bullies have called it FUD which is childish BS.....now this guy below is flagging every article that i have written about any topic, and stalking me. Is this how the Steemit Community wants to be managed? By THUGS controlling what you even say? That is not free speech...
Community Needs to Gang up on "Bacchist" Has as a Thug and Bully....he is trying to beat up everyone who he disagrees with and he is flagging the same people over and over 24/7 like some nut case...most bullies only understand one thing....a bloody nose, in this case where the community lashes back at this guy for bullying new users to do and say what HE wants...NOT GOOD!
I am not a fan of the flag. Especially when it is used for opinion. I won't answer it by using it. I use the flag exclusively for spam, abuse, and plagiarism.
The only way I've found to stop a bully here is to deal with them with civility. Calling them a bully likely won't get them to stop. Having a discussion with them and avoiding name calling and such might.
There are people bigger than @bacchist, but I am not one of them. He got involved in some sports posts which are far more popular with the masses then what I write, so though we started at the same time he is more powerful than I am.
I've also had many exchanges with him. He supports communism, I do not. That's an area we disagree on, but we each show each other mutual respect.
Generally you can convince people with WORDS but it requires doing it calmly and without ATTACKING them. That can get them to stop, but it would have to come from you. Not me.
Furthermore, answering flags with flags just makes things worse. We've seen it here before.
I asked him to stop and to remove all flags and leave me alone..he has refused and has lost his mind....that is a bully...all he has to do is remove all the flags off my page and move on...that is all he needs to do...he is trying to mully me off of steemit....so the choice I have is to go after him and stay on his ass until he learns to stop and move on....but hee needs to remove every single flag across my entire page which he started,....I am a new user...I did not even know how to flag until he lost his mind on my page.....@bacchist he thinks this is all funny....I am 54 years old and a veteran...I will NOT be bullied like this...I fought in Iraq...do you think I will coward to a guy like this...he needs to reverse all OFF my page and I will move on
It likely depends a lot on how you responded. Calling someone any names, including bully typically won't convince people of anything. It only makes them more angry and focused on you. Thus, it is a losing strategy.
Making demands also will not go over well. People don't like being told what to do.
You can ask, and it might work. Making demands usually will not.
And having not read it all I am commenting on is what you are telling me.
You need to settle it with him. Perhaps try another tactic.
Ask him if perhaps he will leave you alone and if he really doesn't like you tell him to mute you and you'd be fine with that. Then he won't see any of your posts or comments.
all good suggestions....his first post was calling me an idiot then flagging me all over the place...now he is staling me...and yes,,,,I have said to him if he removes all his flags, then i will move on and he needs to move on...he will not do that....when i see people like this, they always come back to bully even more and they try to get others to bully you....so he can take the flags off all my page and articles and be nice with people or face the community ....I have read from others about he has done this before.
Here was your biggest mistake I've found so far...
We generally don't want people ganging up on anyone. It sets a bad precedence and it leads to big ugly battles.
Don't ask him to remove the flags. Live with them. Now see if you can get him to move on and not flag any more. Tell him you are fine with him muting you if that would satisfy him. Yet it needs to be civil.
If you know any martial arts... think Aikido instead of Karate. Instead of striking and attacking, go with the flow and use their own momentum.
Yes, I know that is some bullshit, but it sounded good at the time. ;) In my head at least.
@baah and you calling people "cunts" who you disagree with make it right? does it?....so after you posted the above, you then go on under an unrelated article and call a person a cunt? You may want to follow your own advice before giving it to others....take care