Steemit Strategies - Is Buying Votes Profitable?

in #minnowhelp7 years ago (edited)

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Why I Use Voting Services and Vote-Bots

For those that have been following my Steemit Essentials and Steemit Strategies posts, I have been teasing you that I would be writing this post in the future. Well here it is! Well, part 1 of 3 is here. You'll have to check back to get all the info because there is just too much to include in 1 post.

So, here is a breakdown of how I plan for these 3 posts to go. I never really know exactly until I write them, but I do have the outlines worked out in advance.

Part I - I am going to discuss whether paying for votes is profitable and what other reasons I have for using voting services and bots. I will also discuss why I think that these are valuable services for helping people achieve their goals on Steemit. I will also show you some numbers of what happens when you pay for upvotes.

Part II - I will be discussing the different voting services that I use for purchasing upvotes and showing you WHY I use these services as opposed to others. I will include a short video as well because I know I have some folks that are too lazy to read (and I like doing the tutorials on video).

Part III - I will be discussing how I determine which "bid-bots" I use and when I use them. I will show some methods in choosing a bot and include a tutorial on how to go through the bidding process on Steembottracker.com

I will cover "Resteem" Services in the next several days following these posts.

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Part I - Why I Buy Upvotes

Imagine this scenario - You see two articles posted on Steemit, but you can only read and upvote one of them. They both have similar titles and similar photos and the Reputation of each of the authors is also equal or close. How do you choose? In marketing and economics, we discuss a concept called "perceived value." In this situation, most people will try to distinguish value from what they can see/observe. In Steemit, you get to see the STU value on the post before you ever click on it. That is ABSOLUTELY HUGE in marketing terms because all other things being equal, you are going to open the post that already has the most, and probably most valuable, upvotes.

Don't believe me? Think back to when you bought a slightly more expensive model of anything - a T.V., a phone, a hairdryer, etc. Most of you should be shaking your head up and down right now remembering that you paid a little bit more for the higher priced model even though there was no discernible difference other than price. Hell, people pay $800 more for an iPhone than I do for my phone. Is their iPhone $800 more useful? Not even close.

The point here is that part of the problem that many of you reading this post have is that someone looks at your post and sees that you have only .24 STU in upvotes and they have already judged that it is likely less valuable than other posts. Is this fair? Maybe not, but it doesn't matter. Steemit wasn't built on fairness.

I will give you another example. I see someone who posts 20 times a week with pictures and very little text while I'm curating and you know what I do? I look directly at their payouts. If they are under a $1.0 STU, I run the images through Google and do a plagiarism check on the text. You know what I find? Over half of them are stolen photos and/or plagiarized.

For those of you who are wondering why I take the time to do this, IT IS CALLED CURATING! Curating is not running around with hugs and roses for anybody that can hit the "Submit" button on a Steemit post.

Okay Jerry, what's the lesson here? The lesson is that people don't want to waste their time reading posts they think nobody else wasted their time reading. In sales, we call this negative association. It's the real reason nobody ate lunch with the poor, fat, ugly boy in high school. Not because that person wasn't wonderful and would eventually go on to own some billion dollar multi-national company with a smoking hot wife. Hell, if we had known, we would have all been slobbering over who got to sit next to him (kind of reminds me of the commenters on a Jerry Banfield post).

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So, the real lesson here is that if you don't project value on your posts, then you are not going to attract people to even READ your posts and see how awesome, creative, and talented you are.

Reason #1 - I use upvote services and bots to project value on my posts so that other people believe I'm credible. Of course, if my content is shit, they will move on quickly (or not, see the trending page for some examples). Short to Long Term Strategy.

Reason #2 - I want to attract a larger audience with my posts. This means that if by chance someone stumbles upon my article, they will see the $$$$ and think to themselves, maybe this is interesting. This kind of goes along with #1, but also because I write Steemit advice so if someone 3 months from now does a search on voting bots, they will come across a popular (see $$$$) post that has the answers. What are the chances they will check out my posts for more good info - Bingo - nearly a 100% chance. Midrange to Long Term Strategy.

Reason #3 - Get free, easy upvotes from people that don't understand how curation works. Yes, people will upvote high paying posts thinking that somehow that will give them extra money in curation rewards. If someone reading this right now is ALSO thinking that is true - Please Stop NOW. Go to my article on curation rewards and then come back and read the rest. You only enhance your curation rewards when you beat the big votes to the post. Short Term Strategy.

However, you would be surprised how many upvotes I get from trails, random folks, and others that never view, read, or utilize all the Steemit goodness in my posts. See my SP posts from 2 and 3 days ago - I promise you that at least 100 of those upvoters never even opened the article let alone read it. I don't care - I got the upvote. Those of you who read these things I post have a significant advantage over your minnow peers.

#4 - PROFIT - EWWW! You're so greedy Jerry. Whatever. I'm here to make a profit off my investment and time. So are you. Everybody that says they aren't here for a profit are either lying out of guilt (because profit is BAD) or lying because their account is worth shit and they've been here for a year. I find that many of the "no self-vote" crowd fall into these categories. Just saying. Short and Long Term Strategy.

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The Part We Have All Been Waiting For

Is buying upvotes profitable? - YES - The crowd goes wild!!! - NO - Stunned faces and a few tears.

You can buy votes and make a profit, but only if you do it right and there is a minefield of factors involved. Some of you have been gingerly walking through that minefield and that is why many of you are missing legs or at least a few toes. Am I right? I wish you could see how many are nodding their heads, YES.

When buying upvotes you can lose your ass. How do I know this? Because buying upvotes was my weight loss plan in February and some of March. I didn't think I would have an ass left I lost so much $$$ on buying upvotes. I almost delegated all my SP and walked away from Steemit.

Let me show you why and how. I made these great little visual aids in PowerPoint - take a look.

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I made this up a couple days ago when the market was slightly higher. (yes, I plan my posts and prepare that far in advance - Quality Content)

If you took $36 USD of your money and bought Steem, you would be in the column on the right. If you used that money to buy SBD, you would be in the column on the left. The numbers here are based on buying upvotes that give you a 200% upvote on your SBD. I use 200% because it is what I consider the breakeven amount for an upvote. I'll explain why a little later. You'll notice that the left column leaves you with a 5.5% loss at the end of 10 days. This slide shows you how we get to that number.

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Starting with our 11.25 SBD that we bought and paying for an upvote of 200%, we would get a 22.5 STU payout on our post from the upvote we paid for. That number is then reduced by 25%. After that it is split evenly between SBD and the "value" in SP. That "value" is the key. I don't get 8.44 SP, I get 8.44 divided by the current price of Steem. Therefore, my SP return on my first paid for upvote is only 2.34 SP. But I still have the 8.44 SBD and I can continue to buy upvotes with it with diminishing returns until I just about breakeven. In our example after 10 days, I'm -5.5%. After 20 days, I'm pretty close to even.

I would have been better off just buying Steem and converting it to SP and upvoting myself with the extra .002 that I would get for 10 Steem.

I know, many of you were hoping for better news and others are saying, "See, I knew those things were scams." Well, not so quick. You notice that I used the threshold of 200%. Why? Because it worked out close to breakeven and it is an easy number to work with when evaluating the success or failure of a "paid for" upvote.

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There are two huge benefits of knowing about this 200%. We can still be profitable if we do 1 of 3 things and hopefully ALL 3 things because my goal is to get back more SBD than I paid (10% more to be exact), but a minimum of the exact amount I paid (plus I get the SP as a bonus). Example - I pay 20 SBD for upvotes - Goal receive 22 SBD in rewards and the SP with a minimum of 20 SBD.

#1 Thing - Get more than 200% from our paid upvotes. Yes, it is possible and many services pay more than 200%, but you have to find them and they have to still have some voting power when you do (timing your posts is important especially on weekends). For instance, a 240% upvote on day one after our purchase changes the whole dynamic of the SBD spend in the example I gave you above.

#2 Thing - Lower the amount that is paid out to curators (25%) by increasing the amount paid to YOU in curation by upvoting your own post immediately. Yes, it is possible to gain a HUGE chunk of the curation rewards for yourself as the author. If the paid for upvotes take place before 30 minutes, then you get a portion of those curation rewards also. Now, the upvote services and the bots know this already. It is no secret. However, some of them don't care because they want to sell their vote. Also, some will upvote you less than 200%, but still upvote you in the 1st 10 minutes after the post goes live on Steemit. The trick is finding the balance.

#3 Thing - Your going to get more people to upvote your content because you don't look like the poor, fat, ugly kid at the lunch table. More people are going to be exposed to your post. Not because you're on the trending page necessarily, but because you are going to be out their on Discord, Kryptonia, or anywhere else telling them about it. They are going to see the value on it and take a look. If your stuff is good, you're going to gain votes and followers. Then you're going to answer all their comments and make friends. You, my friends, are going to be at the center of the "Cool Table" and that leads to profitability.

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Why does this work? Nobody likes a loser. If you invest in yourself, people will believe in you too. If you don't trust your content enough to advertise it, then why are you even here on Steemit. You thought it would be easy. Guess again. If your content is high quality, then you will expand your audience with more upvotes and visitors to your posts. It is like seeing the empty restaurant in the evening. You ask yourself, "why isn't anyone here? Is the food or service bad?"

Imagine I told Domino's Pizza that they would be guaranteed a 95% return on their advertising budget in 10 days. They would sign up in an hour for my advertising services. Why, because they believe in their product and know that once people try it, they will come back, tell their friends, etc. A 5% loss is nothing to promote your product and here you don't HAVE to lose that 5%.

The greatest thing about buying upvotes is that it is advertising with minimal potential losses if you do it right. Even better is that it is accessible on every level. If you're poor, there are still services available to you. You don't need 10 SBD to start. You can buy profitable upvotes right now for 0.05 SBD. I can afford to buy where I want, but I still support some small vote bots and services because they give profitable returns. I will talk about some of those tomorrow and the next day.

Some people disagree with purchasing upvotes. I am not here to argue with them, but the system isn't changing so we need to learn how to work within the system. The arguments that I hear most often are these:

Fairness - It isn't fair that those rich people pay to get their stuff on the Trending Page. Everyone has access to the vote purchasing services. Yes, they have a monetary advantage, but good content has a way of finding viewers if it is promoted in the slightest. Life's unfair sometimes, adjust and overcome or quit. If this was EASY everybody would be doing it (why you see videos saying it is easy, to get more people doing it and buying Steem).

Curation Theft - The Bots/Whales come along and "Steal" all the curation rewards. Really? Please go read my post on curation and how it works if you believe this. This argument is for the intellectually lazy. Curation is paid on voting weight and position AND the first 30 minutes window. Every big upvote I pay for goes after my self-vote and INCREASES my curation rewards. If this confuses you even after you read my post on curation, then there is no hope for you. For you, there is Instagram.

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Concluding Remarks and Recap

  1. Paying for Upvotes is GOOD.
  2. Paying for Upvotes CAN be profitable.
  3. Paying for Upvotes CAN lose you money if you don't plan and execute well.
  4. People who hate paid upvotes usually hate puppies and birthday parties and should be avoided.
  5. Get a #kryptonia account and pay for upvotes with FREE #superiorcoin and meet new friends. (I had to throw that in because I love Kryptonia).

Send me comments that are good and get a free upvote on your comment. Send me crappy comments and get nothing.

Come back tomorrow to learn more about which strategies I use with purchasing upvotes and some of the services. You'll be glad you did. Below is a list of my posts that you will find valuable. Read them, it will help. Or don't and continue to make .78 STU while praying for a Curie upvote.

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My Posts That You Should Have Read Already

Steemit Strategies

Curation Rewards
Comment Strategies
4 Month Recap
Communities and Focus
Leasing SP
Delegating SP
Leasing/Delegating Tutorial Video

Steemit Essentials - Tools/Resources

Kryptonia
Steemworld
SteemSupply
Qurator Community
Steemauto
GinaBot
Discord

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As always you spend a lot of time into your post and the effort shows. I especially like the sarcasm and that alone can make reading your post fun; but you are quite heavy on the content too! Kudos for the hard work! You summarized a complicated, and controversial topic in a way that I at least couldn’t have done. So whenever I will have arguments with others on this topic I will send them to this post ... Done!

With that said I don’t agree with every single item you said though, but that is mostly on preference. For example Kryptonia is not something I will invest any time personally, but that’s just me. It only means I don’t have that much time, but others might and power to them.

Personally I used paid bots. I have mixed feelings about them, but they are certainly profitable and in the present steem ecosystem, valuable.

Now finally just a caution on your comment “....but the system isn't changing so we need to learn how to work within the system”

System is changing possibly. Hard fork 20 is in the horizon and multiple people including Ned Scott is hinting that steem is possibly moving from DPOS to account based voting system. I am sure you will be able to look that stuff up. Now nobody knows what that would look like, and all you can do is speculate. I will leave it at that, as I am on my phone and tired of typing already :)

By the way I started steemit in Jan 2018, so we have similar time on the platform.

Thanks again for the excellent post.

Thanks, as always, for stopping by and commenting. I especially like to hear from others that have invested heavily into Steem and the Steemit platform (even more so from people that have invested much more than me).

I like to have fun with the posts and take small jabs at people without calling them out individually. It also provides some fun comments for me read. However, you are correct that a lot of time goes into to trying to find accurate numbers so really small fish have something understandable to help guide them on Steemit.

I spend more money on vote services now than bots and I will discuss that later today and bots tomorrow. I have been a winner and loser with both and hopefully my research and experience will save some people from losing money.

I'm VERY interested in what the horizon has in store for us. When we do see a rules change, I will be at the forefront reading and trying to understand it all clearly so that I can convert it to "normal speak" for my audience. In the meantime, we have to play by the rules as they are. If you read some of my previous posts, I point out that Steemit moves fast, changes fast, and the ties to Steem Price and SBD price changes makes it even more complicated.

Yes, I saw that you started at about the same time. I also noticed that in terms of account strength, you're kicking my ass. Clearly, you have a quicker learning curve than me. LOL

Thanks again for stopping by, reading and commenting. I truly appreciate it. All the best to you.

This is very valuable @energyaddict22. Thank you.

I love the whole Steemit experience but would not be nearly as active if I did not think I could earn something. And how much I earn from Steemit, when I get there, will have a direct influence on how much time I am able to spend on it. Every moment I spend on Steemit is a moment I could have been busy with something else.

I am in a hurry to get to a place where I am making a profit and your strategies are helping a great deal. Even more so as I witness your generosity and sincere and motivating comments to newbies that are lightyears away from being able to reciprocate.

I love it when I buy an upvote and it comes through. Apart from others finding my post more attractive as a result (perceived value), I feel better about my post and the effort I put in.

I look forward to your next posts.

I learnt a lot from this well-written piece about buying votes. But one that really caught my eye is the need self vote and let the bots vote all within the first 30minutes. I knew that voting within the first 30 minutes makes you lose some money if you are not the author. But i never realized how the same concept could become an advantage to one buying votes. I have a friend who was lamenting over the phone just before i saw this post. 2 weeks ago, he started buying votes with 50sbd, now he has 27sbd and 11 SP, giving us 38steem. He already lost 12 steem. Check his wallet @joedigital. This article is a source of enlightenment and an inspiration. I will upvote, resteem and I cant wait for the next parts. Thanks sir @energyaddict22

Thank you @focusnow for stopping by and leaving a great comment. I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, I did the same thing as your friend with buying upvotes and it wasted a lot of my SBD. There is definitely some things that have to be addressed in planning and execution before purchasing upvotes. I hope that we will see more of you here and you can share your stories of success and any challenges.

Great Article, good information

Information overload lol! I have to revisit this when my head is clearer. I think it is the heat of the day that is making my head sleepy.

So, bidbots.

The more I read about this, the more I get the point why people use it. I can't through the math though because I don't know math haha! But I am seeing the point clearer as I read. I should read more and who know what happens :D

Thanks for stopping by @leeart. It is always good to see you here. Please send me any questions you might have and I will do my best to help clear them up. Have an excellent day.

hahaha I like how you explain each point, although it is long reading is nice, so I should not be lazy. The issues are important and very helpful. I prefer to read them since my language is Spanish and video would be difficult if you explain it in English. You know that I have not yet understood many things about steemit and I think that with your publications I will clear up many doubts, I am going to read the curator's office to see if there is a great doubt that I have had about what is obtained by the votes . I hope if there is the answer that I have sought so much. Goodnight. (here are 9:30 pm)

Hello again. I'm glad you found it entertaining and useful. It would be great if someone would translate the posts to Spanish for my Central and South American followers so that they would be very clear or maybe just do a video in Spanish explaining the posts. Just a thought if you need ideas for a post.

Please let me know if you have any questions about any of the posts. I understand that they can be long and complicated at times. It's always good to see you here and I enjoy the comments.

I appreciate your clarification on the subject of bots for up-voting and I'm looking forward to Parts 2 and 3. I must admit that navigating your way to understanding of the Steemit platform only comes after turning over every available rock you can find. This rock was well worth the flip.
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Hello and thanks for stopping by. I am excited that you flipped over MY rock and found something valuable. Please let me know if you have questions or ideas.

Regarding "mark up tip and banners". I am clearly (as you can see from my posts) not the best at formatting and aesthetics on posts. However, here is a link to a post where I learned some basics and they will have other guides I am sure. https://steemit.com/steemit/@itwithsm/making-steemit-posts-in-different-beautiful-ways-or-beautify-your-steemit-posts

It was your first post which I have read. Information was realy great. Thanks bro

Now, this vision towards the paid upvotes is really important because many think that paid upvotes are bad, but in my opinion, most of us or possibly everyone came here with aspect of monetary benefit and paid upvote is not bad instead it's can be called as an strategy, i used many Bots and started using from last one month or so, now i am stick with one which is giving profit plus resteem service, and it's my strategy and it's working for me really effectively, for now i am not investing much amount, using 1 SBD or so, but it's effective at this moment. Thanks for sharing and keep sharing and encourage for the discussion. Wishing you an great day. Stay blessed. 🙂

Thanks for sharing your methods with us in the thread. I appreciate you continuing to contribute here and I'm hopeful that the posts are helpful. Talk to you soon.

Welcome and thanks for the consideration of my thoughts as useful. 🙂

While you know I have my reservations regarding the vote bots, this is the best piece I have ever seen on them. People do not realize that most of them are a loss because of the SP portion after the curation split. For anyone reading this, please make sure you fully understand what he is telling you if you want to use these bots. If you don't, they (the whales) are bypassing that split by you paying them upfront, then skimming some gravy off with their curation rewards, leaving you with less than you paid them.

Exactly! Thanks for reiterating that. It is my hope that if more bots enter the market that the consumers (people who pay for the upvotes) will benefit by getting a guaranteed return. This is why I still support some smaller vote services that deliver on their promises. However, as I will discuss later today in my post, I have moved most of my upvote purchases to 2 services where I'm "whitelisted".

Thanks as always for stopping by and adding your thoughts. They are very helpful both to others and me.

Talk to you soon.

I once viewed voting bots as a means to build steem power because
for everytime I used it, I couldn't manage to get back my initial capital. But now I see this was as a result of my lack of research and using of random bots.
Plus, I'll admit, I didn't know I can also share in the curation reward for my post.

Heading to read your post on curation rewards.

Awesome! Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for the comment.

Wow! That was a lot of information, but very useful. It will take me a while to digest it and definitely I will need to reread it. Thank you for tackling this topic. I have been paying for upvotes and wasn't sure it was paying off, but also wasn't sure how to do the math with the apples and oranges and tomatoes units of payment, so thank you for helping clarify the math. You also answered my question with what I suspected was the answer, like so much in this world it's not yes or no, "it depends". Once again as in many things you have to research the answer and find out how to do it right and how not to do it wrong. I also have a question, if you would be so kind. I am allowing my voting power to recharge because its less then 30% right now. My strategy is to continue writing comments, but go back and upvote the articles by finding them through my comments list when I am back above 80%. I am unsure if this strategy will work in reserving my place in line for voting soon after a post is published visa vie a time stamp on my comment or if it's a time stamp on my upvote that ultimately matters. What are your thoughts?
Thank you

Hello and thanks for the good questions and comments. Starting from the back and working forward. Don't waste your upvotes by going back to those articles. Write good comments and you will get good feedback. Save your votes until you are at 80% or more again. Then use them wisely and only when there is a clear benefit to those you upvote and to your self.

Yes, the math is quite complicated on the Steemit platform for the average person. It takes some time to fully understand it and even then I'm not sure I "fully" understand. Often, I think I'm just fooling myself into thinking I do. ;)

I'm glad you found the post useful and I hope that we will see more of you in future posts. All the best.

Thank you very much for answering my questions and sharing your seasoned advice on how to proceed.
It is greatly appreciated.

So much goodness and competence to gain from this post. Will be reading more in-depth when I have some quiet time.

Thanks for reading and commenting. Please let me know if there is anything I can explain more clearly. All the best.

Id rather sit at the fat kids table because i know how soulless are those folks you speak so highly of.

Let me paraphrase your post in fba speek: i only care about me, there are lots of people like me, you wont find them by being kind to the fat kid, so, if you dont mind being soulless join me in taking cake out of the fat kid's mouth because he is fat and should lose weight.
F' the fat kid and give me his cake, only skinny popular people should get fed, because we know how the game is played.

Smdh, the really sad fact is most people agreed with you.

I have few words for this, but here goes. I've been waiting for a true idealist to visit. I was wondering what took so long and then I see your affiliation with transparencybot.

That's all good. Unfortunately, the kid at the lunch table metaphor was lost on you somehow, but not surprisingly so. Reading your posts, you're clearly angry at the world and the "system". I get it.

I will also compliment you on not only saying what you think, but acting on your beliefs. I saw your delegations of SP and your upvote pattern and they mirror your thoughts. That much I can appreciate.

I don't worry about what people "should" do or instruct them as such. This is the main reason anarchists/anti-capitalists continue to fail with their message even 100 plus years after the anarchist and socialist "epiphanies" founded on poor logic and a failure to understand human behavior.

Neither I nor my target audience are trying to take cake from the fat kid or anyone else for that matter. Instead we are searching for ways that we can get some of that cake without breaking the law/rules and losing what we have earned (like someone I have recently read about).

I would suggest not railing against the people that are working at understanding and achieving something from the platform and instead use your time and energy to rail against the structure of the platform. You don't change the rules by attacking the players and we are mostly very small fish here.

Better yet, create your own platform where you can rule over the members to behave in the "appropriate" manner, which is where all anti-establishment movements lead and why they ALL fail.

I wish you all the best. I say that sincerely and I have no malice.

Neither I nor my target audience are trying to take cake from the fat kid...

But, because the rules allow you to take the fat kid's cake, you are gonna take it, huh?
Just because you can doesnt make doing so the right thing to do.

The rules here arent changing, the whales like sucking up the rewards, if change is coming it will be from people acting with higher goals in mind.

As you seem content to get your cake by buying it, rather than earning it, i hope you dont choke on it.
That would be ironic.

I will try not to choke, but I guess I see the fat kid as the guy/girl with good content on Steemit that nobody pays any attention to and rarely upvotes.

If I can utilize the system to get more kids to sit at the table, perhaps the good content gets noticed and rewarded more. At the very least, people should have some posts that show the positives and negatives of the upvoting system so they can make their own decisions. Unfortunately, many of them are blindly donating their money with little or no reward for doing so. On the flip-side they get bombarded with people telling them these services are bad but with little explanation. All the while, they think they see people making a shit ton of money off of the upvotes.

Even worse, most of them are just abandoning the platform altogether and taking their frustrations with them to share with other people that might consider joining and investing in the platform. They aren't acting with higher goals in mind, they're just quitting and that changes nothing.

As for me, I make very little off the paid upvotes, but it does help grow my audience. If I was clearing 100 SBD a day in profit and another 30 SP, it would be one thing, but I'm a very tiny fish. Perhaps we see different solutions to the same problem. I don't know for sure. I do thank you for your comments though (except maybe the choke on the cake thing).

The disconnect here is that you dont understand the math.
The rewards pool is a commons.
In order for you to have your bite of cake everybody elses' bite gets smaller.
If the stake delegated to the bots was taken out of the votes, everybody's vote triples.
How happy would you be when not just your vote, but all those people voting for you have their votes tripled in value?
Then folks wont be leaving and they will tell their friends this game makes sense.

The people delegating know this is true, most of the bot operators know this is true, not many newbs know about this.
Things are this way because those with the keys to the code think its funny to slap cake out of fat kids' hands.
Change isnt coming from them.
The only way to alter this is to alter people's behavior by making them aware of facts they dont have.
The people with the keys know this and it is why they upvote content like yours and remind people that voting content like mine will end their gravy train.
Its worse than high skool.

If you want more kids with more cake at your table, tell them all is not as it seems here.
We had an experiment going that would have proven all this but instead they forked the code because slapping cake out of fat kids' hands is more entertaining when you get to spread that cake on your whore paid for by your advantage in the math.
Rather than spread the wealth they chose more debauchery.

Lets hope any fat kid choking is purely metaphorical.

The rewards pool is to reward 'good' content, just because you can buy rewards doesnt mean you should.
If all you were interested in was exposure, you could decline rewards.
But nobody will do that because unless everybody did it it would cost you alot of money.
So, there is no interest by those with the keys to change this.
Fat kids just keep losing cake.

The best argument I have heard yet. Much appreciated.
Just to show you I have a sense of humor. Here - birthday-2901945_640.jpg

Its not an argument, it is the facts.
I present them as an act of selfdefense.
Until they are generally known the schemers are winning.

What.

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Excellent. currently i studying all about bots. I will expecting for read part II.

am happy with bots, they rises my account.

#1 Thing - Get more than 200% from our paid upvotes. Yes, it is possible and many services pay more than 200%, but you have to find them and they have to still have some voting power when you do (timing your posts is important especially on weekends). For instance, a 240% upvote on day one after our purchase changes the whole dynamic of the SBD spend in the example I gave you above.

Even 300% o more... I used it only when the oportunity comes to me

for example: i invested SBD 0.001 and ontained SBD 0.340 , SBD 0.500 and ontained SBD 4.10, no bad :) . Normally i pay 0.100 and obtain 0.300 or 0.001 and ontain 0.010

is easy, but required atention and cold mind

The greatest thing about buying upvotes is that it is advertising with minimal potential losses if you do it right. Even better is that it is accessible on every level. If you're poor, there are still services available to you. You don't need 10 SBD to start. You can buy profitable upvotes right now for 0.05 SBD. I can afford to buy where I want, but I still support some small vote bots and services because they give profitable returns. I will talk about some of those tomorrow and the next day.

indeed.. is a win - win, is something like get free SP or a too low cost. Because in a bad scenary when you receive less of your invest, you receive the same quantity on SP

Personally, I consider bost as advertising companies. If one wants the exhibition to reach more users and at the same time earn money in the attempt, they must use these means to promote and re-evaluate the votes. It is an investment that logically must be planned at the time and time to request the service.

Thank you, friend, for your accurate and accurate information. We continue reading. Blessings

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Very good information @energyaddict22 thanks for your sharing

Thanks for reading. What part did you like best and do you have any questions?

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I am so amazed by your posts.....i gat a lot to learn from you....

wow this post came at the right time i have already lost sbd buying upvote not all this strategies. Thank you so much for this looking forward to see other parts.

I see a whole new approach to using bots and upvotes. Thanks for this eye-opener @energyaddict22

I'm a bit late to the party but THANK YOU. I'm now going to spend some time each night reviewing previous posts by you and trying to keep up with current. I have been plodding on Steemit as I have had no real drive to do more. I actually wasn't in it for profit, just for something to join in with. I'm not one of the world's best authors and I'm not entirely consistent in time management. However, something in my life altered a few days ago and I'm now wondering - should I stop being a plodder and move up to the walking group at least? This post is so informative. I knew some, like the 30 minute rule and that sex sells, sorry, I mean good sales tactics count ;) but I still learned more.
The bonus is your writing is also funny. Well done and I'll be watching.

Thank you for the post. @jamescrusader

Your articles Explain most of the complicated aspects of steemit,without you i wouldn't have learnt most of the skills i use on steemit and i also help people around me with the skills have learnt from you.

Looking forward to more posts from you Thanks for being there always and what excites me more is that we are both members of #kryptonia and the platform is actually growing with the help of leaders like you.....

я тоже покупаю апвоуты. Без этого на платформе стимит не возможно увеличить репутацию и поднять свои посты в ленте престижных.
Правда делать это надо очень внимательно. У меня был неприятный случай с бустером. Я заплатила 1SBD, а получила 0.95$. Я видела, что в моем раунде был профит на мое вложение, но каким -то образом я не получила того, что должна была получить. И было это в момент высокой цены на стимит. Многое зависит от порядочности держателей ботов.

Thanks for sharing this wonderful post @ofili2 kryptonia id

Please Stop - @ofili1

You just said "thanks for sharing" and in your your last 100 comments you used 91 phrases considered to be spam and you made this exact same comment 13 times. You've received 0 flags and you may see more on comments like these. These comments are the reason why your Steem Sincerity API classification scores are Spam: 76.80% and Bot: 6.90%

Please stop making comments like this and read the ways to avoid @pleasestop and earn the support of the community.

People who hate paid upvotes usually hate puppies and birthday parties and should be avoided.

TRUE :D

Another post full of value.
Going to check kryptonia!

I always try to absorb your articles, it's so good!

This article was a good read. I see the foresight here and it is very true. I am going to use the advice as much as I can going forward.

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Can see you put loads of energy in this... pls can you tell me which vote bots gjve 240% ROI?

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The numbers are getting better @transparencybot. Now if you can only fix that pesky curation approximation since 63 STU took place before the 30 minute mark and over 90% before the 5 minutes mark. I'm counting on you (no pun intended) to show your robotic salt and nail down those curation numbers. It would save me a lot of time when planning my budget. It's a great trade, you get to spam my posts and I get some accurate numbers to show my readers. All my love and respect.

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Awesome! I'm sincerely eager to see it when it is finished. This is not sarcasm. If you look at this and my most recent posts, I'm sure you'll see why I'm so interested. You're now my 3rd favorite bot (GinaBot is hard to beat).

This exchange is giving me a good laugh. It reminds me of the old Wileycoyote/sheepdog cartoons. Now that I have read the comments I can post my own.

#1 is GinaBot. She also has a sexier avatar. #2 is Truffle Pig because he always says nice things to me. Of course, I'm not as much into niceties as I am about value, so you come through with those curation numbers and you are SOLID at number 2. Also, I do appreciate the service, just wish it was presented in a more balanced fashion. It comes across like a @cheetah comment.