"What has obstinancy of the "Palestinians" achieved for them other than persistent misery, poverty, and marginalisation?"
That's not the issue. The issue under discussion is that the Palestinian's refusal to obey overlords proves that obedience is not mandatory. However, now that you bring it up, you point out the harm that is done to them for refusing to bend the knee. This is not a demonstration that freedom is contrary to civilization, but proof that overlords degrade it when they rule. Even the least insult issuing from those projecting force is a destructive act that diminishes the civilization people create and enjoy.
In rational consideration, the end result has not eventuated, and your lack of understanding leads to advocating the perpetuation of our present misery. Looking forward to the future result of victory over overlords and oppression enables understanding the benefits grasping reality and freedom deliver.
The human spirit is celebrated by Palestine's eventual victory over psychopaths, and the heroism of their resistance to murderous predators will be admired forever. Admiration encourages reward, and this principle is certain to benefit them nominally in the fullness of time.
If the God you invoke is just, justice will be done. I tremble to consider the God you serve, in view of the statements you make. Is the creation the product of a sadistic, narcissistic psychopath that loves nothing more than dead babies slaughtered in the most degrading and agonizing way possible?
The means will justify the ends. Insofar as sanctity exists, sacrifice is profitable to the saints. Every dissemblance, every harm, every conceit will be punished.
You will speak the truth then.
The Arabs' refusal to acknowledge their reality is akin to deluded men willfully ignoring gravity and blaming God for their injuries. You invoke God's justice and in the same breath deny it by confounding your preference above that of the divine will. Men are born to obey his Creator's will and serve His purpose, not elevate himself equal to his Creator in casting spurious judgments and conflating his prejudices to that of divine design. Is it divine justice that you seek or mere satisfaction of your whim? Your humanist atheism grants you neither legitimacy nor authority in matters of justice.
Judaea has been conquered for the past 70 years by the Jews. Living in denial of this reality has not conjured up new lands for the Arabs, nor given them power to contend against the Jews. Continued denial of reality will only result in meaningless suffering for the Arabs. It matters not to the subjects who wears the crown of authority; they will be rendering dues owed to the state, obey the will of their masters, and fulfill the purposes as set before them, regardless of whether a Rubinstein rules them or an Ahmad.
Freedom is a mental illness that destroys men's souls. Prattle a pretty ditty of humanist idealism, and the ignorant muck will climb over each other in their mad rush to be shackled into slavery under clever sophists. Reducing Judaea to the anarchy of Libya, Somalia, or Albania where "free" men roam wild will benefit no one. God demands neither sacrifices nor heroism, but merely obedience to His will. It is the religion of humanism that fosters egotism and narcissism by duping the base-born muck into deluding themselves as claygods, equating their whims to divine law.
Will you next command the Sun when to shine and the Moon when to set?
Were that so, they would. God is not mocked, nor fails.
First, that anarchy is no such thing. It is the contesting of warlords, and those you call free are servants of oligarchs. Second, just what exactly do you think is happening in Palestine? Vile oppressors intent on genocide prevent the blessings of civilization to the people native to it, bulldoze their homes, and shoot their children. The conquering savages have destroyed the place, people, and project their acts onto their victims in propaganda.
Again, you claim the victims of your idols are at fault for being hunted down by those very idols. You claim to desire orderly society and that the demonstrable destroyers of it are the solution to the destruction. You seem delusional, capable only of complete reversal of cause and effect, brutal predator and victim, right and wrong.
You invoke God in one comment and deny Him in the next.
Frankly, I believe you are dissembling, as you write too well to be so incapable of reason.
When did Arabs become "natives" to Judaea? Did the so-called "Palestinians" spring forth from the Levant sand to populate that land? With what legitimacy do these Arabs claim ownership to that particular piece of creation? These "Palestinians" are but tools of the Arab potentates, Jewish political factions, ethno-state entrepreneurs, and humanist zealots. Driven by idiotic humanist ideology and cynical false promises of their Arab brethren, the Arabs of Levant persist in their deluded beliefs. It is not the Jewish bullets that kill these misguided Arabs, but Satanist humanism and its UN "human rights."
The tragedy of the last three hundres years is not that so many have been killed, but so many died meaninglessly and even more lived purposelessly. Death is an intrinsic part of existence. When crises came, they held on to their humanist delusions of "human rights" and "intrinsic goodness" of man, and became victims of their own ideology, unable to use their deaths to purchase any thing of value. Modern man has been tricked into ignoring the fundamental truth of life: he exist at the pleasure of his Creator to obey His will and serve His purpose. The deaths of your so-called victims are as meaningless as the mass graves of "American Indians" that litter the vast plains of the USA.
You deny God because your humanism deludes you into believing yourself a god, rendering judgments of "good" and "evil," dictating to the universe your whims, and claiming "rights" due to you by your own Creator. Such hubris undeserved, when your entire being is borrowed.
I have before asked you what you mean by this. I am neither a borrower nor a lender, and live in my own skin. So, from whom am I borrowing me?
End the power of overlords, end the war waged on their victims. Being of independent means is the means of being independent from overlords, and that means attaining to means of production suitable to create the goods you yourself have need of. Doing so deprives vampiric overlords of the parasitic pound of flesh, and creating actual wealth, as opposed to slave coupons.
I do not claim to be God, and you cast unnecessary aspersions, as well as ascribe to me political views I detest and hold of null account. Again, for the record, my views on political views are that political views are becoming obsolete. Physics, the actual laws of the universe that whatever gods may be have mandated, has ordained that decentralized means of producing bespoke luxury goods and ordinary commodities alike are becoming available to individuals, and as such prevents parasitization, it increases the wealth of those individuals availed of it, and deprives overlords of power.
Across all industries, this is the bleeding edge of technological advance, and eventually individual producers will be able to provide for themselves entirely, including nominal security from armed gangs of thugs seeking to project force and subject free men to overlords - as is happening in Palestine.
When they can no longer force us, they will become irrelevant. When overlords are irrelevant, politics will be irrelevant.
Be free.
Did you create the sociocultural matrix from which you draw your identity, occupation, and values? Did you establish the sociopolitical infrastructure, without which the concept of property "ownership" can not even exist? Did you found the legal enforcement agencies, without which all "voluntary" exchanges are meaningless as there exists no means to enforce contracts? Did you even invent the very language you use to propagate subversive and toxic ideas? Did you create yourself from the void as functioning being? Or did you merely inherit all of your privileges and wealth from your society, forebears, and Creator? The humanist drivel of "individual" is the single most destructive concept in human history. The 'Murican lunacy of "self-made man" exist only in the delusions of humanist narcissists.
Modern Western thought is merely ingratitude, narcissism, and gluttony writ large on sophomoric arguments. As you dream, the ultimate end of such toxic ideology would be fragmented "individuals" subsisting in their separate islands of misery, their entire energy devoted to scrounging for basic nutrition every second of their misbegotten existence, like the beasts in the wild. Like the beasts of the wild, roving gangs of thugs will rape, pillage, and murder with impunity. Decentralisation is only championed by the criminals or the gullible, with only the criminals benefiting from exploiting the gullible.
I am not the author of the tale, merely the protagonist. This neither makes me responsible for your read, nor fails to make me responsible for my own. Thus your characterization of me as being borrowed is no more than projection of your own failure to master yourself.
As usual, the balance of your comment simply repeats your complete confounding of cause and effect, apparently in a quest to justify your abject subservience to masters you are compelled by your servile nature to worship.
When you were a child you were fed, instructed in living, and required to obey.
You are not a child anymore. It's time to stop acting like one. Now you must make your own decisions, and bear the responsibility for the consequences. Grow into your power, or deliver it to those you grovel before.
Slaves and children have neither authority nor responsibility. As long as you remain mastered you remain a slave. It seems fear and a servile nature has prevented you from becoming a man as you should, and thus you remain dependent on your 'betters' as a child is on their parents.
Take heart, and responsibility for yourself. You will do no worse than your masters who despise you. Truly, your only chance to improve your lot is to undertake command of yourself as is proper. As long as you serve masters you abandon relevance when adults are talking, because you only impart what you have been commanded rather than your own words in your own voice.
Men do not take counsel from children, nor the free from slaves.
It is remarkable how humanists redefine words to rationalise their failed ideology. Rebellion is "freedom," ingratitude "maturity," entitlements "rights," malcontented over-reach "progress." Black is white and up is down. Fulfilling duties and obligations is "groveling," while neglecting one's purpose is "responsibility." The humanist West will be delivered unto the deserving masters of their hubris and gluttony. What you wish will not be what you want.