Can't help noticing you left out one important statistic:
That's right! White-on-white crime, pretty much the same as the darker-skinned variety!
Fact is, people kill other people for all kinds of reasons. Most of those tend to be favoured by proximity. I'm sure you're aware that whenever a woman dies, the first suspect is inevitably her husband/boyfriend. I'm sure you're also aware that most marriages are not interracial. Add that to the fact that, according to the FBI, just over 50 percent of murder victims are killed by someone they know. 24.8 percent are killed by an actual family member.
Just saying.
Actually I didn't intentionally leave that one out. I haven't seen that one. Thanks for sharing. :)
I'm aware. Coulda phrased that better. My bad.
Also... @cupidzero gave an interesting response. You see I wasn't actually trying to attack anything. I was trying to get people to think about other factors besides race.
He came up with the idea it would be interesting to overlay deaths and clustering with poverty levels. It may be less about culture and race, but actually be a factor of poverty.
This is a good idea. I didn't consider this as though I've lived in poverty many times in my life growing up, I didn't do so in a heavy population density area.
So what if these clusters occur in areas of poverty that also have a high population density?
I also am not trying to justify police activity as some people (not you) seemed to fixate on. I am simply trying to think outside the box as I actually think there is more than RACE at issue here.
I believe there may be factors other than race that could possibly explain the abnormal deaths percentage.
If poverty plus high population density is a factor we should see problems whether it is white, black, brown that predominantly occupies that neighborhood.
It also could be a bit of all three Race (some cops are racist, but black cops kill black people too), Cultural, and Poverty...
Anyway thanks for the graph I honestly hadn't seen that one or I wouldn't have thought the black vs black deaths was unusual.
As to interracial marriages. Those have been increasing in number for awhile now (a few generations). For a long time they were CULTURALLY unaccepted. That has been changing over time.
As to the 50% and 24.8%, I had heard that.
This was actually a great and useful response you gave. It was one of the most informative and best I received. Thank you.
Glad to hear that. That term "black on black" whether in reference to crime in general or homicide in particular really really burns my ass. I mean, Chinese people in China tend to kill other Chinese people? Shock! Surprise! Who'da thunk it!
So yeah.
EDIT: I have answered @cupidzero.
Yeah I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly so - will wait for the edit to your post you offered to @cupidzero) that black on black killings were higher per population percentage too. If that graph you provided is indeed accurate then that wouldn't seem to be the case.
I tried looking this one up and couldn't find it, is that chart based on per 100,000 population or absolute numbers? Would you be so kind as to source the write-up please? Makes a huge difference in how to read it.
I'll edit this comment and add that in a sec.
EDIT: alright, here we go - FBI stat came from here --> https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain
The chart comes from here --> https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
Several interesting ones there too but the pics would not only burn through my data allotment, they'd also make this comment long enough to be post on its own.
That said, while I was going through my search history to find this, I discovered there are much more recent stats (specifically going up to 2015) from the FBI ---> https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls
Also from the FBI. Salient points:
Total Homicides with White Victims: 3167
Homicides with White Victims and White Perpetrators: 2574
Total Homicides with Black Victims: 2664
Homicides with Black Victims and Black Perpetrators: 2380
Thus, in 2015, according to the FBI (and if I am reading those statistics correctly) there were literally fewer black-on-black murders than there were white-on-white murders.
I will concede, looking at that table, that there were more black-killer-white-victim murders than the reverse. In the interest of fairness.
Thanks for that! So the data from the US News graphic is absolute numbers... I hope I am understanding that wrong. Looking at the FBI data you provided.... can that be real? Please correct me if I am wrong, and I hope I am.
Using the most recent data from the final link you provided (2015) and considering the population base as taken from Wikipedia (2017), so the total population data is off a bit, but not by much:
White population: 223,553,265 & white-on-white murders: 2574 = 1 w-o-w murder per 86,850 people, i.e. ca. 1.15 w-o-w murders per 100,000 population.
Black population: 40,695,277 & black-on-black murders: 2380 = 1 b-o-b murder per 17,098 people, i.e. ca. 5.9 b-o-b murders per 100,000 population.
Am I reading that wrong? I hope so. If not, that is just... horrible. Okay, checking my poverty thesis for possible mitigating factors ... Poverty rate among whites: 9%; blacks: 24% according to KFF. Higher rates of poverty also seem to correlate with more r-o-r murders... Hmm... there is more going on than I can account for and I don't want to go too deep down that rabbit hole right now, it's just too depressing.
That's fair enough. At least you're looking deeper into the statistics now. And yes, I saw that too (absolute numbers versus proportion of population)
Of course, I could go a step further while coming full circle and ask why the cop-on-perp kill percentages differ so drastically by racial demographic (even if we were to ignore actual guilt or lack thereof) or why, despite the similarity in absolute numbers for crimes where the perp is known, the imprisonment rate by demographic also differs so drastically.
And yes, it is depressing. It really really is.
@losinthesauce also gave a good response with something I need to check out and a thesis by a black man that seems to be pointing out the same thing I am talking about. I haven't had a chance to watch it/listen to it yet, but you might want to check it out.