It's like I said, every single proposal now, no matter what it is, causes someone to leave while bringing no one to replace them. It crosses my mind every time Matt says, "that's what the proposal system is for". The 100k DEC is the cheapest part of the proposal.
I agree with this. I don't think the problem is that we have a proposal system, I think our community needs to get more comfortable with the process and the purpose of the DAO in the first place.
But I do agree that someone will have a problem with every issue that comes up, its where we are for sure.
I don't think the problem is that we have a proposal system
I think in another way. I copied the comment from @sharkmonsters because it expresses well my feelings about the proposal system. 1 vote is 1 vote, no matter how much staked SPS you have, similar to Musk only has 1 vote for the US president like any US citizen.
I'm so tired of all of the constant changes. Everything about the game is just exhausting. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like it's gotten worse since the introduction of these proposals. Voting is just a fustercluck in real life, and it seems like it is here as well. It's similar in that the biggest stakeholders are the ones that actually make the decisions, and the rest of the people just pretend they're making a difference.
That would be a different system. And of course that could be a way to do things.
However it would be like saying that a corporation should give everyone an equal vote that owns 1 share, it would destroy one of the major incentives to own shares in a company.
On top of that, a corporation is structured so that the "owners" of the company are the shareholders, so they would get economic interests. However in our DAO we have very little economic interest, in fact the main thing we get is the power of our vote as we don't have dividends or any economic interests in the game itself.
So while I think you and Sharkmonsters might want such a thing (ie 1 vote per person no matter how much SPS they own); I think this would mean in essence killing off the SPS entirely and rendering it worth $0.
Do you guys also support getting rid SPS distributions or do you think SPS earnings are important to people?
In other words, you can't have it both ways. Either the SPS is a governance token that people buy and stake to influence the outcomes of the community decisions (aka proof of stake), or its nothing as they can just give a vote to each account with a spellbook.
I don't really think this is a situation where there is a "right answer", but what I do think is people have to be consistent with their logic. If SPS ownership doesn't matter for votes, then SPS has no value and would cease to be worth giving out.
No, I don't actually think they should change anything about SPS governance. It is what it is. All I really meant to say is that I think the proposals have increased the infighting. It's also increased the frequency with which significant changes are made, and it's my opinion that these changes coming so quickly are part of the reason players have been dropping like flies. I can't prove that, of course, and I could certainly be wrong.
Also, FWIW, I never actually said I'd prefer a voting system where everyone gets one vote. Not when people can create as many anonymous accounts as they want. All I meant is that there are some people with so much SPS that they can make or break a proposal and I meant to compare that to how large corporations have lobbyists to help create laws that benefit their interests. I didn't mean to imply that a single ultra-wealthy person has more than one vote in an actual election. I meant to imply that people with enough assets in the game might care more about what happens to the value of their assets than they care about how the plebs feel about the changes. I can't say I blame them. That also is what it is.
There is no easy answer. On the surface, I'd probably support a change to the system where proposals were all compiled sort of like bills are and the voting was spread out a little more. The rate with which proposals have been introduced and the rate with which they've produced changes in the way the game operates has been dizzying from my perspective. But we'd have the same problem as political bills. They'd be so long that no one would even be able the read them and no one would know what they're really voting for or against.
I agree with most of what you said. I do think the consequences of our DAO has led to frustration. On the other hand I also think many people have focused harder on owning SPS so they have a voice too. So there's pros and cons of course.
As I said earlier, I believe part of this is us as a community getting used to it. Some day I think people will regret selling their SPS, when they realize how important it is to making the changes they feel are important. But for now, I think you are right that many fight the system and don't like when rules are changed - especially if those rule changes negatively affect them.
I appreciate the feedback and apologize if I mischaracterized any of your thoughts on the matter.
It's like I said, every single proposal now, no matter what it is, causes someone to leave while bringing no one to replace them. It crosses my mind every time Matt says, "that's what the proposal system is for". The 100k DEC is the cheapest part of the proposal.
It's change caused by decisions made. Doesn't really matter who made it DAO, team , Matt etc
Every proposal is useless and dumb, does nothing for average player
You have my vote :)
I agree with this. I don't think the problem is that we have a proposal system, I think our community needs to get more comfortable with the process and the purpose of the DAO in the first place.
But I do agree that someone will have a problem with every issue that comes up, its where we are for sure.
I think in another way. I copied the comment from @sharkmonsters because it expresses well my feelings about the proposal system. 1 vote is 1 vote, no matter how much staked SPS you have, similar to Musk only has 1 vote for the US president like any US citizen.
That would be a different system. And of course that could be a way to do things.
However it would be like saying that a corporation should give everyone an equal vote that owns 1 share, it would destroy one of the major incentives to own shares in a company.
On top of that, a corporation is structured so that the "owners" of the company are the shareholders, so they would get economic interests. However in our DAO we have very little economic interest, in fact the main thing we get is the power of our vote as we don't have dividends or any economic interests in the game itself.
So while I think you and Sharkmonsters might want such a thing (ie 1 vote per person no matter how much SPS they own); I think this would mean in essence killing off the SPS entirely and rendering it worth $0.
Do you guys also support getting rid SPS distributions or do you think SPS earnings are important to people?
In other words, you can't have it both ways. Either the SPS is a governance token that people buy and stake to influence the outcomes of the community decisions (aka proof of stake), or its nothing as they can just give a vote to each account with a spellbook.
I don't really think this is a situation where there is a "right answer", but what I do think is people have to be consistent with their logic. If SPS ownership doesn't matter for votes, then SPS has no value and would cease to be worth giving out.
No, I don't actually think they should change anything about SPS governance. It is what it is. All I really meant to say is that I think the proposals have increased the infighting. It's also increased the frequency with which significant changes are made, and it's my opinion that these changes coming so quickly are part of the reason players have been dropping like flies. I can't prove that, of course, and I could certainly be wrong.
Also, FWIW, I never actually said I'd prefer a voting system where everyone gets one vote. Not when people can create as many anonymous accounts as they want. All I meant is that there are some people with so much SPS that they can make or break a proposal and I meant to compare that to how large corporations have lobbyists to help create laws that benefit their interests. I didn't mean to imply that a single ultra-wealthy person has more than one vote in an actual election. I meant to imply that people with enough assets in the game might care more about what happens to the value of their assets than they care about how the plebs feel about the changes. I can't say I blame them. That also is what it is.
There is no easy answer. On the surface, I'd probably support a change to the system where proposals were all compiled sort of like bills are and the voting was spread out a little more. The rate with which proposals have been introduced and the rate with which they've produced changes in the way the game operates has been dizzying from my perspective. But we'd have the same problem as political bills. They'd be so long that no one would even be able the read them and no one would know what they're really voting for or against.
I agree with most of what you said. I do think the consequences of our DAO has led to frustration. On the other hand I also think many people have focused harder on owning SPS so they have a voice too. So there's pros and cons of course.
As I said earlier, I believe part of this is us as a community getting used to it. Some day I think people will regret selling their SPS, when they realize how important it is to making the changes they feel are important. But for now, I think you are right that many fight the system and don't like when rules are changed - especially if those rule changes negatively affect them.
I appreciate the feedback and apologize if I mischaracterized any of your thoughts on the matter.