We all know @cryptomancer is excellent and is highly respected by all. This vote is not about whether or not to have Mancer around, its really about whether or not to make cuts in other areas vs. having the DAO fund the expected shortfall vs. increasing revenues to the team in other ways.
I believe its very important that @yabapmatt has a townhall to go over the issues and answer questions so that we have a clear grasp of the situation; and thus be able to vote responsibly. I think most everyone would want to support Matt's plans, he's the reason most of us are here. But in order to properly spend our money on a plan, its important that we clearly understand the goals and purpose of such a plan. An AMA would be a good opportunity to achieve this objective.
Honestly, it's hard for me to say yes to this proposal. I feel a bit betrayed here. The land presale raised at least $1.5 million (150,000 plots at $10 each), and now we are being asked to use DAO funds to cover what feels like more and more how mismanagement the last years was. It's frustrating to see that we're now in a position where we—the players and supporters—have to step in and pay for it. Again..
I would prefer keeping the funds within the DAO and looking for cuts in other areas instead. Moreover, I have serious questions about how the Decentralized Hive Fund (DHF) was supposedly feasible for marketing if we can't even maintain the current team effectively.
At this point, it's all just incredibly frustrating.
Yes, I agree with all of that. Great points. I want to support Matt's vision, and I think cryptomancer is great and has been a big part of why the game what it is. That said, I think these proposals go too far in the first step. A discussion should probably be had about options we have for moving forward with development, including where cryptomancer's expertise would be most impactful. If the Steem Monsters company is paying for it, then it's up to them. If the DAO is paying for it, I think we should have a larger say other than simply yes or no to a proposal like this.
Thank you for the comment Dave this makes things more clear. This isn't about not funding land its just about putting @cryptomancer on the DAO payroll.
Agreed, if the dao is going to pay for services, it should have some say in what services are provided. I'm not sure 'Secret of Pretoria' work is the best value for our money considering the additional downward pressure this will place on SPS.
Having land up and running wouldn't be negative pressure it would actually be positive. Every time we mention land is coming soon everything increases in value. Then we get screwed over by constant delays.
I couldn't agree more that land will do practically nothing to bring new people into the game and does very little for most of the remaining players as well. Land is really for the small handful of OG players that were around for the presale and want to lord over their tracts and regions with a lack of cards and DEC.
I would agree that Land is not the best use of developer time and funds, but I don't object to paying Cryptmancer out of the DAO fund as I would like for the DAO to take on the majority of product/development funding responsibilities (while also being the org that brings in and grows its assets/profits).
We might be getting to a point where it is time to hear Matt's full vision on how Steem Monsters Corp (SMC) and the SPS DAO will coexist as the SPS emissions wind down and then end.
True. That's a big thing ... What'll happen when the SPS emissions stop?
The SPS DAO is still sitting on a big pile of SPS, but there should also be a buyback program that uses assets to repurchase SPS from the market to refill its reward payout.
Is there any plans to what to do when that happen?
We had some preliminary discussions in a few of the DAO channels. I think we also need to adjust some of the SPS emission streams to match/adjust to the whitepaper.
Got it. It'll be nice to see more about it in the following amas town halls
Exactly. That's how we should read this. These are separate matters, but this may open the possibility of not having a DAO-funded mini set before the end of year. Matt said he thinks about it, and to have the next core set sooner next year instead.
Hi Dave, hope you are safe and well.
This proposal is really about the fact that Steem Monsters is MASSIVELY OVERPAYING its developers.
We the DAO are already sending a disgustingly large amount of money to Steem Monsters every month to cover the wages of PJ and his team, to develop something that is allegedly important but has no bearing on the actual game itself.
Now we are being asked to spring for another 180 grand for one person's wages.
There are literally thousands of great developers all over the world that would do a great job for Steem Monsters without being paid big company wages.
Frankly, if you want to earn 200 grand a year for not a lot of work, fuck off to google or some other mega corp with more money than sense.
For a tiny games studio to be paying a whole bunch of people lavish wages at a time when the company is struggling to survive is really insulting and offensive.
CUT WAGES, not take even more support from the DAO at a time when it is already paying out a huge sum to the company. which is already receiving funds from Hive itself.
This is really going too far...
Well said, so many great coders out there, so many games that do well with 1% spending compared to SPL but with game play that seems to attract players. No idea why such proposals and such numbers are even discussed and to let DAO pay is ridiculous.
Please keep the conversation respectful. This is NOT a request. It's a requirement.
Do you think the decisions and actions being shoveled to us players in the form of "DAO voting" are respectful to us?
I have been an avid player, collector, advocate, and have spread Splinterlands on real life in my gaming store here in Spain for years. Now I think I am being ripped off, and that the DAO is being plundered. I'm choosing exactly the words that I wrote as they mean exactly what I think is happening. So not sure if there is a "respect" problem on simply words, but actions.
A DAO is owned and governed by the community. You are part of that if you own SPS. If you think voting is disrespectful, then you are showing disrespect to yourself :)
Right, right. Words are just words, nice strawman. I stand by my post.
Stand by for eternity :)
Again, pointless answer and ignore of each and every point written, not only by me, but for the overwhelming majority but the 12 amigos that vote with the 80% of the DAO weight.(You only need to read the avalanche of replies of really angry people, most of them long time supporters)
I don't care, words are taken by the wind and the reality usually reflects in data.
The data: SPS value destroyed, DEC value destroyed (it was a beautiful, stable, organic system), card prices destroyed, less DAUs than a Woke BBB game by Ubisoft, whales dumping daily, I can go on but it doesn't matter. It was a great game. Devs greed, as 99% in crypto, destroyed it.
/yawn