@haejin, why not just start voting people up? Your followers, the people you follow on steemit. Why not just become an awesome part of steemit instead of fighting all these guys who think you're stealing from the reward pool. Even if you lost out for a brief period, say an entire month, in the long run everyone would see that you want to help others as well as yourself. Everyone is helping themselves to some degree anyways.
There are plenty of people on here who self vote incessantly, there are people running bid bots and making huge profits, the only difference between them and you is image. One user votes you up and other people see that and don't like it and flag you, but you flag as a form of getting back at them too. And that removes your ability to vote anyone else up, all your excess VP goes to downvotes and you say you have to.
I get it, you're being attacked, it's easy to attack back. But sometimes that's not the best way. Maybe a simple change in the way you operate could change everyone's attitude towards you. Cut back to 3 posts a day and use the remaining VP to vote up some minnows you've noticed in your time here, test it out. You might continue to be flagged for a week or two, but eventually people would notice and those people you help would defend you and have something to show about how you are a good part of steemit, how you are a positive influence.
I don't know that what others are doing is right, but that doesn't make your retaliation right either. Some simple steps to show others you aren't selfish rather than steps to defend and counterattack would go along way imo.
Some food for thought, I try not to get into this stuff, but it seems to keep being a major focus for steemit. This is not something that will be resolved by constant fighting, something has to give, why not make take the first step, even if it's not fair in your eyes?
Let's stop the bickering and work to build steemit up together, it's a move that will help everyone in the long run.
My $0.02
One word: GREED
So it appears people have already said this to him before...
I guess I don't get it, upvoting others would be more profitable in the long run because a healthy ecosystem would attract new users, and growth = value. Really the only downsides on steemit are self vote abuse and bid bot abuse and some minor interface/sign up issues that I'm sure will be resolved.
When people come on here do we really think they want to see shitposts that someone bid botted up with 200SBD or 10 posts from the same person valued over $200? It makes steemit seem scammy and hurts our reputation. There is potential here to overthrow FB and youtube and twitter, steem can be worth more than $4 right now if we'd get our shit together and work together instead of abusing the system.
It doesn't make sense even from a greed perspective, is he afraid of not getting enough or something... Less can equal more depending on valuation. So silly
Because he's not an investor. He hopes to ride the wave and trade out at the first opportunity, but all of his lofty predictions have failed, so he's going to stick around.
He's not interested in truth...he never has been. Even irrefutable truths prove to be beyond his ability to admit. He will never bring up the rancho situation himself because he holds guilt for it. He tried to dupe the Steem community by colluding with someone else and got caught. Now he's imprisoned by his lie. He can never tell the truth now.
He loves the thought of himself being the victim. He claims to have only downvoted in self defense, but that is not true. Early in the war he downvoted me on several occasions for simply disagreeing with him and presenting unflattering, yet true, facts.
There's a reason why people end up turning on him. @Dan first upvoted haejin before downvoting him numerous times, @done did the same thing...even @berniesanders upvoted @haejin 3 times before he ever gave the first downvote. The guy is a parasite and he knows it, and so does anyone else who follows his actions with an objective mind.
Agreed @jakeybrown. Tricky subject and I'm not saying I have the answers, but will have to see how this plays out.
Unfortunately not everyone is enlightened and able to see the big picture or longer term view. Instead they turn to short term thinking which almost inevitably leads to greed.
yes that true greed....he wont dare try to upvote you no matter your comment in his post.its better to help a young steemite grow ..you cant imagine the smiles on my face when my first post made 1sbd ...i was so happy and someone made that happen by upvoting me.some steemit are here as a student just to made little fund to keep them going in school ,and personal upkeep.please let learn love and learn put smiles on people faces .especially the young steemite coming on board.@haejin let make this place a better place .
Well said jakeybrown. In fighting and abuse has been the start of unwinding and downfall of many an enterprise. Even Empires !
Some mature leadership needs to be shown now.
As you say with Facebook becoming more out of favour with the public and advertisers,Steemit is ideally positioned to fill the gap.
But not if the first impression new visitors see is a squabbling abusive rabble.
Upvoted and following you
Well said, bravo!!
Because he's not an investor. He hopes to ride the wave and trade out at the first opportunity, but all of his lofty predictions have failed, so he's going to stick around.
He's not interested in truth...he never has been. Even irrefutable truths prove to be beyond his ability to admit. He will never bring up the rancho situation himself because he holds guilt for it. He tried to dupe the Steem community by colluding with someone else and got caught. Now he's imprisoned by his lie. He can never tell the truth now.
He loves the thought of himself being the victim. He claims to have only downvoted in self defense, but that is not true. Early in the war he downvoted me on several occasions for simply disagreeing with him and presenting unflattering, yet true, facts.
There's a reason why people end up turning on him. @Dan first upvoted haejin before downvoting him numerous times, @done did the same thing...even @berniesanders upvoted @haejin 3 times before he ever gave the first downvote. The guy is a parasite and he knows it, and so does anyone else who follows his actions with an objective mind.
Fair enough, so why don't we plan this out. As a community we have more than enough VP to 0 him out. The only reason we don't, and when I say we I mostly mean us small fish, is for fear of backlash.
So why don't we set up a community driven approach where we have everyone flag his posts and where anyone who gets flagged by him gets upvotes of an equal or greater response from the community?
Maybe this has been tried and hasn't panned out, if that's the case I'm guessing the approach put some people off. @berniesanders, need some help? Let's get more people involved
I flagged him, got voted down from 40s to -5
There seems to be little unity and cooperation amongst those who want #hgin to stop abusing the system
Please join us! Check out these accounts: @flagtarget (which resteems 3 of hj's posts a day and we flag those). Also look at @flagawhale, collectively we've removed 92,000$ off of his potential earnings in the last few months!
Also @weflaghaejin is a bot you can delegate to which does all the flagging
Yeah i agree that greed usually ruins everything i'm interested to see what tricks you have up your sleeve @berniesanders
Steemit is full of greedy assholes. For example @themarkymark is the greed asshole behind @buildawhale @upmyvote and some other bid bots crap. When people try to talk about him Marky kid downvote people, here is an example of people trying to speak up and marky kid downvoting: https://steemit.com/coinmarketcap/@sevillaespino/stop-abuse-whale-steemit
where did @themarkymark come from..stay in your lane brah
and downvoted..bih
He will ignore this, as he ignored mine, as he ignores everyone who tells him to upvote others...
Don't worry about his support. Trying to force him to do it, is not the answer. Just increase your SP and build a money-making machine like he did.
I don't quite agree with that approch. This is disagreement in rewards and it is a main reason to flag.
Flagging him is not working. Look at his daily income. Are you blind?
Do you think I am blind? It is enough to build up 2 millions SP in power to take him down. Maybe this is not enough, but who knows?
It is a waste of time. You are better off trying to compete by producing good content and obtaining a following like he did. How do you know he isn't prepared for your attack? He could have an alliance in waiting to tear you guy down.
My attack? He does need anything for 'my attack' I won't attack anybody, I don't even exist here :))
How come you are not addressing @berniesanders self upvote reward pool rape? He's taking way more with his multiple accounts voting.
Maybe the community could show some support instead of instigating racist attacks might be a better approch to achieve your aim. Just a thought for consideration.
@mattjack how much SP has haejin delegated to any community or anyone besides himself? How much SP is haejin sharing with the steemit platform/community/us? I am willing to bet 0. I know of at least 20k SP that bernie has delegated to the #comedyopenmic contest what can you say haejin has done for steemit?
So delegating a few SP gives the right to rape the reward pool from multiple accounts and bully other users telling them what post's they can read who they are allowed to upvote?
Sorry but I don't agree.
That's like saying peadophiles are ok as long as they donate to charity.
You contradict yourself when comparing to a pedophile. If both parties are doing the same thing, as you say, then one of the pedophiles are not donating to charity.
Then again, that is a terrible comparison. Bernie is not 100% self upvote while haejin is. I've also seen bernie put up tons of SBD to a bidbot to get a post that wasn't his some high rewards. He does more for this community than your beloved TA, who's analysis is mere speculation and opinion anyways.
I suppose that you are at (0) because you don't agree. Maybe it ought to tell you that you might be wrong.
When my 18 yr old step daughter doesn't feel like she should clean or do chores while she gets to live for free she gets booted out. She still doesn't agree and I'm the bad one for putting her out.
Seems you have the same mentality.
20,000 SP is not just a few SP. While haejin does nothing for you (if you got to (0) for backing haejin, where's his upvote to heal your account?) -- I bet you wont get one.
Im against bullying and racist slander
And pro freedom of choice who's post I can read and whom I can upvote as like a vote it's a choice that belongs to myself
@berniesanders is not 100% upvote he uses multiple accountsto hide his actions and deceits many users claiming to fight abuse while realy stuffing his own pockets @haejin acts in a transparent way.
Dont forget votes from @ranchorelaxo came late into play as a response to constant racist attacks so can't realy be explained as the reason for them.
The comparison to a peadophile was to ridicule your stance that as long as somebody throws peanuts to the community they can do whatever they like!
Yes yes 20k SP isn't peanuts but at the rate @berniesanders self votes himself from multiple accounts thats not gonna take long to aquire few days week?so all he's doing is giving back a bit of what he stole and suddenly he is placed above all rules and allowed to do whatever he likes?
the rancho votes did not come into play as a response to the constant racist attacks. The rancho votes is the reason why this all started to begin with. Where have you been?
Right here when it started I remember post's from haejin informing that he found an ally who will back him from now on dont forget this is the second or third flag war not first
this goes back to what about september last year?
Nobody heard about ranchorelaxo till about november last year
"I suppose that you are at (0) because you don't agree. Maybe it ought to tell you that you might be wrong."
Following that logic @berniesanders being at minus 15 is very wrong in his approach and yet you defend him
If you went far back enough in the blackchain you would find all my comments where I stated that his approach is wrong. The problem is that if he didn't approach, no one else will either, because many were afraid to speak up. He wasn't. Asking nicely gets nothing done because haejin comes back with some bs business response about how necessary his self-voting abusive bahaviour is.
His approach may have been wrong with the attacks, but the motive behind it, the reasoning, is absolutely 100% spot on.
There's also the argument that many have that no one buys into steemit for altruistic purposes but for self enrichment so nobody wants to share their upvotes cause they argue "ROI"
That's not how any of this works, so it is what it is. I just keep posting and when the platform fails because human greed and stupidity well I'll be here to say I told you so
Paid bids paid resteems paid upvotes bid bots there is a lot of things that shouldnt be here
I can see people leaving the platform much sooner because of being bullied and there being no freedom of speech than because they can get a good return on their investment
It would be nice if more people upvoted more especially manually rather than upvoting whatever somebody writes as that leads to upvote exchanges rather than rewarding content and helps build a community but I see behaviour such as @berniesanders a lot more detrimental to the community than that of @haejin
Around when do you date the start of this situation then?
There's nothing anyone can do or say to make haejin stop abusing the rewards pool. He's not here for the platform and the sooner everyone realizes this the better. It doesn't matter what bernie does or what anyone does. Haejin is like a leech, sucking all the blood from it's victim. In this case, the victim is STEEMIT.
Is it greed or is it pride? I'm still pretty new here, so I don't really know what starts the feud between the two factions. However, you guys put him at a difficult spot. If he were to comply to the demands of his enemies, he would be admitting that he is in the wrong. Well, he's not. This goes for both of them. The two sides are merely fighting over what they perceive as "justice". Let's be honest here. When someone is being attacked, there will be retaliation. Again, I'm not supporting anyone here. I'm just stating my opinions. Nothing good will come to this. If you think either sides are without flaws, you are wrong. One is being blinded by his anger and one is being blinded by revenge.
LONG LIVE HAEJIN !!
STEER THIS SHIP INTO THAT ICE BERG...
IT WAS HEADED THERE ANYWAY...
NOW THEY CAN JUST ACCEPT THE DESTINY WITHOUT DOUBT.
@teknow you're on the @abusereports naughty list! Bad Steemian!