I like to hangout in the #general channel of steemit.chat. It's pretty cool. Steemit.chat in general is kinda cool (no pun intended). You can make friends and connections, which is what social networking is all about, right? There is something that I've noticed though when there, and really pissed me off tonight.
A few times I've talked about posting on here, and being frustrated with lack of verbal interaction, despite a post succeeding. I'm sorry, but I genuinely want more people telling me what they thought, particularly of my stories. Preferably more than just praise. Often I get at least one person say something alluding that I have no right to complain.
I fully appreciate the comments I get on my posts. I especially enjoy the discussions, rarer than I would like though they are right now. I also appreciate the upvotes that I get. Sometimes I don't get why one post got them over another...and even occasionally I disagree with certain ones getting so many rewards. But others get low rewards, so it evens out I guess.
But what's wrong with talking about those emotions?
It reminds me of that rant I did not too long ago about how some say people should appreciate what they get, because some others get less. Frankly, it's bullshit.
Humans are allowed emotions.
You are allowed to want more.
I want more interaction. If I was financially capable to do so, I would deny the rewards if it would mean more interaction. But I'm not, and it wouldn't.
So here I am, stuck, wanting to know what parts of my story sucked, and what parts people liked, and not really having a full picture yet.
And yeah, I've gotten rewards for my time. I've also felt like a rotten corpse after pouring my all into my story, and a few posts, most of which I haven't even posted.
So apparently that means I can't want people to talk to me, and tell me what they liked and disliked, because I've gotten paid, so I should just shutup and go home.
I digress. And I also want to yell in someone's face for denying me my valid emotional state.
See, here's the thing – I'm right there with you. Given the choice, I would much rather have people actively engaging with my content and me, if I could be guaranteed that consistently, then just an upvote – even if that upvote gives me money.
Ideally, and I feel pretty comfortable speaking for both of us, we get both. Someone would upvote us, preferably a whale with a lot of money, and then they would leave a comment of more than a single sentence that told us why they liked our stuff, and what they wanted more of.
Or even why are stuff is crap and what they would like less of.
In either case, the communication, the connection with an audience, is at least as important if not more so than a mere basic signal.
Part of that is finding the right audience for your work, and that is extremely hard to do on Steemit. In fact, I might even go so far as to say that finding an audience for your work is best done elsewhere, in places where the things that you do are commonly shared, and hope thereby that you can bring some of those people over to Steemit to possibly get their monetary rewards in the future.
But first, get their attention.
I'm not sure this sort of thing exists, but it seems that most of the really good "communities" of like-minded people have moved off of Steemit.chat and onto various Discord servers. Is there a fiction writers community? I have no idea – but if there is one, I'll bet they have a Discord server and tend to talk to each other about their work.
If they existed, I might want to jump in there, too.
Consider this my active outreach to a fellow writer, with the support implicit in saying, "yes, wanting the engagement with the community is a thing and it's a perfectly reasonable thing. It seems clear that you've been dealing with some unreasonable people. Stop doing that."
Lets be honest for a second, just a split second. Most of us came here because of the money. Though the blockchain and the cool tech probably played a role for some of us.
But now we're here, and we're getting payouts, and we're realizing how much engagement matters as well.
Engagement hasn't always been great on other platforms. Sometimes that has to do with a small audience. Sometimes it has to do with the audience having too active of feeds, so they don't see your content. Sometimes the conversations are actually better on Steemit. I have had some amazing discussions on here, so I suppose in the future it will likely be better.
I actually hate discord for a similar reason. It doesn't have that chatroom feel. It's like a forum in many ways. So sometimes you can end up being lost in all that. It often feels like my comments get less notice than a standard chat room, or a forum. As a result I've begun to loath every time I go there. I'm sure there are other softwares out there. I dunno why suddenly everyone is so obsessed with discord.
I'm perfectly happy with the payments I've gotten. Mostly because SDB is so high. If I could earn this monthly I'd be fine with it. Especially with trading as well.
But the trails actually somehow make it feel more empty. All these people voting, and yet a post over there that go next to nothing has this amazing discussion. Like it's a hollow victory.
I kinda feel like I might end up with way more money than I think I deserve for the effort, trying to get that discussion.
I don't think necessarily even fellow writers is what I need though. Although perhaps it could help in certain ways.
I also don't fully blame other people for spewing that same shit many of us have encountered, trying to convince us that we need to show unwavering appreciation for all we get. Pretend you loved that gift you got from someone that has no clue what you like, on this fake holiday that purports to celebrate the birth of someone, yet has something to do with a creepy fat man that watches you constantly. And eat all your veggies, because there are starving children in Africa.
Yet here I am, with all these clean water, and I'm only getting a few morsels, but I shouldn't complain, because at least I got something.
Sorry for being all over the place.
I know I still have to grow my account a ton. In a way, it's amazing that I've grown this much this quickly. And others will look at that and say I shouldn't complain. But I will still have this frustration, so they're basically telling me to shutup. And that actually sucks way more than just not getting enough input.
can you elaborate on this? what kind of people are you referring to? and why do you think that it needs to be stopped??
@lextenebris
People that tell you to "stop complaining" because you "have more than others" but your emotional reaction is driven by a desire for things which they aren't actually talking about?
You know, the entire point of what I was saying.
That's an unreasonable position. Forget the fact that it's irrational; we can accept irrationality. It's unreasonable; it lacks reason.
I am far from the most empathetic person in the world, and very well may be the least empathetic person short of Bernie on Steemit, but even I have enough experience in life to recognize that listening to people who tell you that your desire for engagement with others through your work is something you shouldn't want enough to feel that you're not getting enough of it?
Those people are assholes.
I totally believe that you can stop interacting with those people. Go elsewhere. Do something else. Find someplace else to be. It is always your choice as to whether you interact with people or not. We have the ability to make those decisions, if only we have the wherewithal to execute on them.
Clearly, he is not being made happy by his association with these people. As such – he should stop doing that.
Life is far too short to keep hitting your scrotum with a hammer and waiting for it to feel good. Put the hammer down.
this whole thing you just said, don't make sense to me.
It's up to him if he wants to stop trying and give up,
but it's not a very social thing to do. that's not how the world works.
I told him to stop dealing with people who are assholes and who have no sympathy for his position.
I told him to find different people to hang out with, because the ones he's associating with her clearly not making them happy.
That is the very definition of a social thing to do. Don't hang out with people who are toxic. Don't hang out with people who don't understand the things that you want in life. Don't expose yourself to the opinions of people who don't matter.
Do the work. Love the work. Go find people who will also love the work.
Anything else is masochism. And while I know some masochists who are really cute and like a good beating now again – you don't have to. You can choose differently.
I guess you're right, But I say we change the way they think. Meanwhile, keep doing the work. love the work, and be open to other people's opinions. that's how we improve. a feedback is always a good thing, even from assholes.
Well – I suppose I could shoot them right in the forehead. That would serve to change the way they think real quick.
Short of such radical intervention, there is no way to change how they think. In fact, it's arrogant to think that we could or should change how they think. That's not our place. That's not our job. The moment that we arrogate the belief that we have the right to change or they think we allow them the same right to behave in the same way to us.
I'm really not down for that.
So – we're back to "fuck those guys and their opinions."
Feedback is not always a good thing. In fact, quite a lot of feedback is wasted time and wasted effort to read. It's kind of amazing how that happens.
No, if you find yourself falling into a nest of toxic serpents, don't try to sweet talk them out of their delicious venom – crawl out of the hole and go down the street to the nearest bar where at least you can have a pleasant drink and the chance of going home with a hooker.
Unless you're into snakes. In which case – go to a snake bar.
Hmm then what if in a science show which the topic for today is (psychological imbalance) what would happen in the stage is that
a actor will be paid money to act happy not knowing the topic of the show, while a therapist examines and ask questions regarding the actors emotional state and on the building nearby is thee talk show monitoring and discussing about the actors mental state at the other building while the audience laughs knowing that the actor has no idea.
Now thats what i wnt to watch, let the people get paid for this facinating psychological experiment which at the same time is a way to earn money for both the actor and producers
There are two types of people: those who verbalize and those who don't. Saying it how it is, or how you feel, is probably the best way to change things. Let em know, always.
First, I love steemitchat #general! And that's where I met cool people like you and also @steemsausage . Although I'm just silently reading there sometimes, I still learn and get entertained by the random topics.
Second, I don't really know what happened and who told you to shut up about your emotions. That's BS. People should not be told to shut up as long as they're not insulting others and it's not against some rules (I'm sure there are no rules against complaining). What I like here is that you can talk about your emotions and that makes this online stuff more human. Maybe you just got the wrong audience that time and they said that. There are a lot of valid complaints, and those complaints may even lead to an improvement in Steemit if the message gets through to the right people.
Well, they didn't say it outright, and it's happened more than once. Probably because I talk too much. That can be good when you're doing a blog, but bad when someone's jealous, and they think you don't appreciate what you have.
Don't mind them and just be yourself ^_^
I think more people appreciate that you talk a lot because that's what this chat or posts are about, it's about discussions.
It's also a good sign that some people are jealous of you. That really means that they like you and want to have what you have and be in your place :)
Well I reckon that people just get this attitude, we call it tall poppy syndrome, where people like to cut down others successes! I love seeing you succeed, and I’m proud to call you my friend. In the case of steemit maybe we call it jealous minnow syndrome... I think a lot of the time in the chat new people don’t realise the encouraging ethos that steemit chat general has adopted... they see it as a place to drop in, make conversation and then drop the post promotion bomb...but most don’t mean it. Not everyone on steemit has passion! I’m glad you do! It’s what we need here! I’m always happy to talk about it with you! I love the general chat! It’s full of awesome steemians like you!
Maybe. I dunno.
It's likely partially my fault. My method of speaking is far and away from normal. When I think I'm just discussing my wishes, they see it as complaining.
I complain a lot. I would think I know what complaining is. I even looked it up, to see if I really was.
I'm not expressing grief or pain. I suppose if you stretched it, I could be discontent that more don't choose to comment. I wouldn't even say I'm discontent really. I'm not 100% satisfied, but who the hell is? We can't discuss anything we're not 100% satisfied with, because someone somewhere has it worse? WTF is this?
I'm a minnow too, despite my delegation. I joined the end of the month before last. I am doing amazing. But I still have that frustration all minnows have, while they're struggling, trying to get better. I'm also giving it my all. Probably more than any sane person would give a social network. But it pays. And for some reason I have this urge to really succeed on here.
It's unfortunate that I feel unease to discuss my feelings because of some's reactions due to my success.
Well I feel like I don’t want you to be discontented ,so while I’m on lunch right now, (and yes it is a sausage sizzle lunch) ... I thought I had better make another comment. The sausages are too hot, I have burnt my tongue,the bread too fresh, the tomato sauce to red, and there is no bloody beer.... now that’s complaining! Ohhh and this tropical island I work on is too tropical !! I look forward to your next whinge !!
And I just gave you too big of an upvote for a comment. XD But I laughed.
Ohhhh too much ... god!!! ;) love your work mate!! Thank you
I feel like it has more to do with who is on at a certain time of day and who is interested at that particular time , given the 7 day time frame / window it's fairly difficult to plan to have everyone see your post in those 7 day window spans simply because people are following other people. I hope that this was easy to understand.
I didn't know programmers talked, much less even have feelings so I learned something new! 😜 Lol Geek on!
most people just shut up, and keep Quite, even Me sometimes.
you are brave, Just like steeve, I believe in you :) We will make steemit a better place, One Day!!!
here's the anthem, listen to it once more. You know you want to..
just click play, and get this over with, one more time.
I second that.