No, dude.
You're doing it wrong.
This post is an infomercial. It's paid programming. It's the shit we'd see on late night television and it's sitting here in the primetime slot because you're exploiting a flaw in the design of this platform.
Regardless of the content, if there are twenty more people following your sales pitch here, this page will only get worse. Twenty more infomercials in the primetime slots only appeal to the people who do not understand the fact they are reading unmarked advertisements and being misled. Twenty more assholes bumping the actual regular content that typically drives these markets towards success down so they can replace it with misleading advertisements and low quality posts like this one of yours will be detrimental to the platform.
Many people who worked hard to gain traction here, who produce great stuff, are now being bumped down and replaced by assholes like you.
Do people share the advertisement that comes BEFORE the Youtube video or do they share the actual video? The answer to that is so goddamn obvious yet you're sitting here telling people that content consumers will start doing the opposite.
The moment this platform starts taking advertising like this seriously and starts doing it properly is the moment we will see a trending page that appeals to a much wider audience.
If you go look at Youtube, you will see a trending page. Now, just imagine what would happen to that platform if all of those content producers who worked hard to get where they're at got bumped down and replaced with paid programming and other forms of advertising like this post of yours. Those content producers would quit and not because they're weak failures who lack balls like you say. People quit so they can go find something better. That outcome is what you're encouraging here, yet you say you want the place to thrive. That doesn't make sense.
You do not know what you're talking about but because you paid for this primetime slot, people listen. False advertising like this post of yours is the devil, little waterboy, and you should know better.
This post should be thrown into the promotion pile and I will not be voting for this trash for the same reasons I do not pay Walmart for leaving a flyer in my mailbox.
Do you really think what you're doing will go viral simply because you "write this way?" This post and many more of yours only appeal to a select few on Steemit and the information you're presenting will be irrelevant within months if not weeks.
Let's look at the entertainment industry again. Do people collect Walmart flyers and advertisements or do they collect comic books?
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. This post is junk and I burn flyers when I feel like starting a fire.
yup we have a new @haejin around :D this one is doing better for sure :) he's actually writing a lot :) plus he's at least an honest person, sure he's skewed by now and it only took him 3 months to offer people to sell their kidneys (maybe kindness is a better word)
This place does have some flaws and It's funny they are being exploited to be fixed I suppose, I was wondering what this is about and I do know where he's coming from, the fact is I too used to care about this place and originality, in fact I got here to go away from lame-stream media where everything is promoted into your face even if you don't want it there (YT being a prime example of a platform coming from original content and supporting creativity, into marketing and selling galore Thanks G we all wanted G+, into a full fledged TV echo chambers to keep you glued....)
You are one of those great creators that have made a name for themselves and I've seen you a few times even followed you for a month or so, the fact is many people can't cope, many have missed the open spaces and many just don't know how to market themselves as @yallapapi says, it's not that I agree, I don't think this is the way you should earn your place, it's totally not fair to the creators, but if you look at it from your ego perspective and what some "investors" or "early adopters" are doing, you'd probably say fuck it and either leave or take the route of "everyone is doing it"
I have some roots and some principles and of course i came at a time when this place was different, people were actually talking to each other, they still are it's just the madness has divided people and everyone is rushing after rewards since that is the way to stay relevant in this space, the problem is in the design and in people's mindsets, they just drag the "real" world with all the bullshit and their past habits. so then we have that recreated and nothing changed, I gave up once and it's still a tough climb back into my old shoes of actually not caring about the rewards and being here for the people and the information, it's taxing it's time-consuming and of course it's a bit disheartening seeing "bullshit walk and money talk"
I can only imagine how hard it is for people that have no idea, I mean I spent my first 3 months here without even blogging and I can see from how he's writing, it's just another "social media" for him as well, whereas for me it was more of FINALLY a SOCIAL MEDIA, a place where you can connect to people, where you can SHARE and COMMUNICATE, not just numbers and noise.
I really have yet to find something better than steem, forums were great in their select fields, but nothing on this scale has been done or has ever worked at least in my worldview. Either we make something good with it, or we can try our hardest to make something like it if we fail here. There will probably be copies popping left and right.
Even now there are blockchain social medias around, nothing like the technical marvel @dan has created (from a top-level it works amazing), even the steemit inc. team as much as I don't like them (?unrealistic expectations or just disappointments from past forks (fucking flood gates :D) )
So yeah, hopefully we make the good standards last and actually spark some change for a change :D
That is the nature of life, and that is the nature of humans, as we live in paradoxes between what we want and need, which includes money, lust, power, relationships.
I disagree with the honesty part you started out with but that's just how I see things. Doesn't really matter. Thanks for sharing the rest. I'm in an unresponsive state of mind right now so hopefully that vote can function as the words I can't find.
I was going to give a short comment about how "when you start believing the lies you can honestly say everything is fine and everything is allowed."
I read 5 of his posts 3 of the newer ones and 2 from his start, he's honest in what he says, he thinks so, he believes so and he acts accordingly, he really thinks the world is totally shit and everyone is shit so you can do whatever you like.
!disclaimer: personal opinion I have no idea what people believe in :D I can only guess from my perspective and their actions. What's interesting is that you had a whooooole discussion above and the comments here have grown so much it's lagging just to respond to one :D
For both YouTube and Steem isn't it true that the revenue that can be generated by an author is parallel to the demand for advertising on that platform?
Yes vote buying splits the daily reward pool thus meaning a smaller share for organic content creators. But the increased demand for SBD increases the overall value that those original content creators are receiving.
If 50% of rewards given out go to advertised content, yes that is 50% not available to others. But was it not that same demand for SBD that meant content creators were cashing out SBD for $5 or even $6?
If 20 people take his sales pitch and follow it and buy the same amount of votes, wouldn't that create a rather large demand in the market for SBD? Thus increasing payouts for all content creators.
That would create 20 more people who have to do the same thing just to be able to compete, then 20 more, then 20 more. Eventually, people become dependent on, let's say, 10 accounts that run bots. So, all of that power gets centralized into 20 hands because those bots make the money and increase the SP. The bottom 20 push the top 20 out of the way by spending more, that gives more power to the bots, the new bottom gets mad and pushes the new top 20 out of the way by spending more, so on and so forth until being in the top 20 is out of reach for the average member, so they leave, along with their eyes, many follow and eventually those top 20 are spending thousands of dollars to promote their work in front of an empty house. The value of the tokens plummet because the platform falls in on itself and everyone loses. The biggest losers turn out the be the one's who started this vicious cycle. You got 20 hands holding majority of the tokens, they start selling to save their skin and that's it. Done deal.
Isn't that already the situation now?
Are users leaving? I have no idea have only be posting for a few months.
People come and go all the time for many different reasons. I didn't really come here to share my opinion on these topics.
You just defined a ponzi scheme..,now i understand how bad this could be
Everything in this comment SCREAMS pyramid scheme.....I thought this was a place to come and write and potentially get paid. Not come and pay to be seen. I came to make money not spend it. Even if it takes a while. I like writing and I enjoy it. I don't want to not be seen bc some other yahoo bought his seat at the cool kids table. And I find it LESS encouraging reading on someone's article that my effort to write a nice article is null and void bc I'm not paying to promote it. If you think that this dude is wrong, what can YOU tell me and others in response to it? I mean what do you think I, as a newer writer, should do instead? You seem to think you have a better idea of what to do.
Yes, perhaps, demand is key in the law of supply and demand, in theory, but websites, and advertisement systems, may not always play by the same theories or rules or laws. Steemit seems to be more fair than YouTube to say the least.
it's fair because of the people in it, 70% of the active users actually care and some are actually great people, some are amazing, it's mostly honest p2p (person to person) interactions here, you rarely get that anywhere.
It's been a norm set by, rules, whitepapers (maybe)(not true) I'd say it was the good examples of good people and of course the tech and the team helped immensely. But it's funny how there are so many "teams" by now we are doing fine without communities, without marketing, without pretty much any outside support, most of the outside is seeing this as competition or a scam, of course some people know better :)
So yeah this has been the only social media I've seen at least. I would even argue that is how it should be done, decentralised, distributed and with power in people's hands, of course it might go in any direction the people steer it in, so we could have more yallapapis selling shoes and I don't even yeah fuck that .
So far so many paradigms have been shifted I'm not sure applying the same status quo would work, I hope people are smarter than this, but if they were those 300 people should have flagged this, actually yeah this really doesn't deserve such a payout and it's taking the rewards of other more deserving authors. Technically. In reality, who knows, I hope bullshit doesn't start walking here, because money sure was talking on the front page :| that's how steemit lost me, plus the acid color :D
Steemit is becoming what Facebook could have been.
Yes, and that is what we call a "good problem."
Ideals & Hope versus Reality.
I love this conversation.
People do collect advertisements, in fact they pay for them:
https://www.vintage-adventures.com/vintage-tobacco-ads/3777-1972-salem-cigarettes-ad-salem-refreshes-naturally.html
Sure. Vintage ads. That's taking things out of context. To put it back into context. People buy new comics. They don't buy new flyers. Those vintage ads are art now. The vintage comics always were. I can prove comics have value and flyers do not. You go to the store to buy a comic, flyers get dropped off in your mailbox, for free and we do not tip Walmart for doing that. Simple stuff.
I like that ad though. It proves how advertisers prefer to be misleading and will say anything for attention. That's eerily similar to what's happening in this post. My doctor actually recommends Camels though.
Its not only vintage ads that are collectable and can be considered art, for example, talking about audiovisual advertisements, there are several shows that dedicate themselves to curating ads from all over the world, and those are recent ads, not vintage. A flyer is a simplistic, deprecating example of advertisement and its you who is taking things out of context here, not me. You equate posts with bought votes to paid programming that is taking a primetime slot, when reality is that in your very own example, a prime time slot, people have to buy that slot to be able to put their content there, they buy that slot from the TV station/cable channel/etc.
Also, you say "paid programming" as if the content in question was an infomercial or something like that, when its not, your whole analogy is ill conceived.
Content with bought votes is not paid programming just like anything you see on a primetime slot is not paid programming just because the producer had to buy the slot.
They call them "promotion bots". They say it's advertising. Because of that terminology, the moment one of those bots is used, the post becomes a form of advertising. A promotion. Paid programming. You can call it whatever you want. The slot was purchased. The post isn't here because it was receiving high ratings and high ratings are what gives content trending status. The people here were duped into viewing an advertisement.
This post is an unmarked advertisement. You can pick apart little pieces of what I said and twist things and do whatever you want. I won't be changing my mind.
According to your logic, any content in a paid slot is advertisement, but your problem is that you only consider paid, what is transparently bought. How do you think that the trending page got to be filled with shit in the first place before vote bots?????
Think hard....
Because not all vote services are transparent, there are shadow vote markets in steemit, and you know it. What you are defending are those shadow vote markets and the circlejerk, you are defending the status-quo while pretending to defend virtue.
I find that contemptible.
This is not an unmarked advertisement, its a post with bought votes, and its clearly marked as such, it is the other posts on trending that are unmarked promoted posts with shady crony vote markets.
I am not defending that. As a matter of fact I didn't bring that up, you did.
What I'm talking about, is what I said. Sure, I have views on other things as well, but you don't know what those are, because I'm not talking about other things right now.
You can keep trying to pick out little pieces here and there with the hopes of discrediting everything I said, but that won't change anything.
I still believe what I believe and I think you're just going to have to deal with that.
I do believe there are solutions as well.
Labeling promotions as promotions would be a step in the right direction. Even I would feel comfortable writing up a genuine promotion, spending money, and promoting some of my previous work and future intentions if the approach wasn't misleading new members into thinking my work is where it is because it's popular. Popular posts belong on the trending page. Promotions belong on the promoted page. There's nothing stopping a blogger here from promoting their work and linking that promotion inside their blog with a banner placed within their regularly scheduled material. They could still get views on their promotions if they knew what they were doing.
Right now, people are using promotion bots, placing X amount of rewards beside their posts, and blending in with the rest of the post that have X amount of rewards beside them. That might as well be zero because that's how much it's helping people. I can look at a post with $50, 8 votes, 4 views and know exactly why nobody is looking. If I was to purchase votes to boost my posts, do you really think all of these people who haven't voted for my work over the past year and a half would suddenly have a change of heart?
Honestly though, saying something like, "I don't support THIS so that MUST mean I support THAT," is so damn ridiculous that I can't even figure out why I'm speaking to you right now.
What is your next move? More spin? I came here to say what I said, not argue with people about nonsense.
This. 100 times this. Voted to be top comment.
This, For that ^.
Just one time.
Fuck the vote though.
We got bots for that shit bro you aint know........
amirite or AMIRITE??
Basically agreed. ``Let's look at the entertainment industry again. Do people collect Walmart flyers and advertisements or do they collect comic books?'' Good way to put it.
Just wrote a post about this topic, now adding a link to your comment.
Well said man, allowing this kind of attitude in our platform, will NEVER make things better as what we have now on other platforms.
Both points are correct here. I do not watch football, I find it idiotic. The Superbowl ads.....totally watch them. The internet has become ad-based on so many platforms. Sell your content, is like prostitution, but if you make a shitpost and exploit it for $$$, you open a market. A content-centered post can overtake a shitpost by applying the same dirty tricks. I see both points here, all though the philosophical underpinnings are mutually exclusive for sure.
true
These posts are about "gaming the system" (by telling people how to game the system) and I for one find the honesty of the @yallapapi content refreshing.
Granted he's being an absolute cunt about it, but he's my type of cunt and it's an enjoyable five minutes read whilst I'm taking a shit (I'm taking a shit).
This post may be the junk you "burn" but you've read it fucking top to bottom then called the number on the flyer and given them your life story.
What makes you think I read the post? A quick skim is all it takes to know this is the same recycled bullshit from previous posts.
And don't come at me like you're some kind of hero. You're just a dude who took a shit.
Oh noes, I lost the game...
Better luck next time.
someone actually linked a vintage commercial going for 10 dollars :D ... but you can probably find anything on the market :D
not sure he said much, other than it's bullshit to think the way portrayed in what's above, maybe
I think I do a better job of "my life story" although that's a grain in comparison to what I could comment, I'm keeping it short :D 600 words + that's short and this is me being realllllly short :D
What I actually meant (and sarcasm and boredom to blame for not iterating it clearly) is that we've done exactly what this article was designed to: engage.
The content is well written and the chap writing it is basically paying for exposure, causing conflict and using "click bait" tactics to do this; but he's also breaking the 4th wall by telling you he's doing this and exactly why it's working (it is working, we have engaged).
You're giving the wrong guy credit for what happened here. :)
it's the first post I read of him although I was interested in what that new name hovering around the trending, to be fair it's got some merit, of course nothing spectacular, just bland filler and long story stretched, well writtenish, at least passable so many people can read it, coming from a limited perspective and forcing its limitations on others so they are more "successful"
I'm kind of interested in reading his material, his starting ones might be more interesting.
Funny you said someone who took a shit :D I made a post about that, different connotation, you can check it out, might be funny, I bet you haven't watched that movie, I bet 2 SBD :P
Nice article good posting
the way you write humbles me...weldone
YouTube Trending is mostly fake now. Also, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Snap Chat, and others too. We go to the http://d.tube because it seems to be different than YouTube hehe. Yes, I'm Oatmeal Joey Arnold, and I hate Walmart hehe.
He is absolutely doing it wrong. You don't need that many words to upvote yourself :-P
But the system is sound.
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TL;DR Just write 500 good words and upvote the fuck out of yourself. #smartsharkschool
At least you caught on to the apparent plan of creating a "circle jerk" while he pulls sleight of hand tricks and says those don't work.
Thank you very much for the good content.
@nonameslefttouse, thank you for this beautiful reply to this dude @yallapapi who seems to need more education about this platform. Stuffs like his may only trend for awhile but are not sustainable on a decentralized platform like this. Of course people take advantage of the system and abuse is inevitable but that is not to validate the act the more. The real content creators are the ones who will eventually last on a platform like this and not some shitty Vulgar-laced contents being promoted to trend like what this dude keeps posting. Kudos to those hardworking guys that are striving to make the platform a better one. Do not be discouraged its only a matter of time when the wheat will be separated from the chaff
What I think when I see this situation.
Whale fight? @yallapapi isn't a whale, he's a minnow. There aren't any whales here talking.
If you think yallapapi is a whale because of that money beside this post, you'd be mistaken. He purchased most of the votes that allowed this post to earn so much, but he's not really earning that money, it's meaningless. Purchased votes have little to no value, they just fake it, like yallapapi fakes it.
Now I understand, the majority of posts that are on the rise and trend, is because buying that, that's really bad, because their reputation goes in bots, and as you say is false, I used bots before, but it's a waste of money, because when you publish something and do not rent bots, nobody votes, I have seen with so many publications that it is much better to have people vote your publications and to put content of quality obiously.
Nice