If you are a grappler without the ability to take it to the ground, you are not really a grappler. Just like if you are a striker without the ability to defend the take down, you are equally in a world of hurt.
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I don't think there are a lot of guys from pure BJJ backgrounds who pull guard that would agree they are not really grapplers....there are many pure bjj guys who's takedowns are not good and most of them require the other person not be hitting them when they go to set the takedown up.
Definitely a good discussion. All the BJJ guys I train with train takedowns and Judo as well (once a month) and if we are talking MMA, (striker vs grappler) then you are right you definitely need a takedown game or you are going to get tagged up.
Plus often you turn a black belt into a brown belt by punching him hard in the face. Since and repeat.
Pure sport jiujitsu with no stand-up/takedown game seems like such a travesty!
it is! it's similar to a Judo school that is so focused on throws that their pins and submissions remain weak throughout their training. it's actually sad to me to see that! our school had a wrestling program start but not enough people got interested so Professor stopped it
made me sad cus we had a very skilled wrestler teaching it