"if ships were disappearing over the curve of the ocean then a telescope would not bring them back into view"
just try that - you may find it doesn't help at all!
"where does this 1972 shot of earth, supposedly taken on that fake mission, come from?"
yes it's a fake - they all are but that doesn't mean the earth is flat. Atomic bombs are fake too, but that doesn't make the earth flat!
"the 'official' flat earth model with the ice wall, what a load of non sense"
indeed it is - but you have not offered an alternative!
all laid out at geek level
https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/08/flat-earth-follies-high-altitude.html
At least you two are playing nicely and not arguing.
'just try that - you may find it doesn't help at all!'
many have tried it - that's the point, we have evidence:
Any time we look out the window we can see the horizon - and it makes no difference what we look through - we can't see very far. We could see all the way to Antarctica if the world was flat.
In that first video he says the side of the ship is 1.5m tall - lol - it's a lot more than that!
The comments on those videos are hilarious - you may be the only believer
The cruise liners coming to Wellington that we can see out the window are over 50m tall
yes, ships disappear hull first, and? we already said it's the way light works and our perception of it. where is the x curve? wheere?
'We could see all the way to Antarctica if the world was flat.'
sorry, what? are you serious with that question?
meanwhile, here's a real one: do you know what the world record for the longest distance photograph is?
Ships disappear - indeed they do - if you get that bit all the rest perplexes me...
It wasn't a question it was a statement - I live in New Zealand and have a potentially clear view out the window to Antarctica if it was possible to see that far.
That photo you just posted shows the earth's curvature - are you trying to argue now or just be confusing? (that is a question)
you ignored the rest of the first sentence, for some reason. same reason you can't see all the way to antarctica from nz, the limits of our perception and the way light behaves, especially over water.
how does the photo show earth's curvature? it shows a flat or even upturned horizon! as it happens, it's clearly barrel lens distortion when you look at the shape of the clouds.
shall i show you some more high altitude photographs?
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notice anything weird?
Is it true that some Flat Earthers Now Think The Earth Is Shaped Like A Donut?
Yes I am mocking the idea - but no flat earther has ever provided any evidence - OF ANYTHING! - and I'm a conspiracy researcher - NASA, and the moon landing are total bullshit - but so is flat earth!
“Light bends and follows the curvature of the torus, making the hole ‘unseeable.’” The theory raises a lot of questions about how gravity would work, which Varaug explains with a sugary, not completely cogent metaphor. “Imagine a donut. Imagine a jam donut. Gravity acts towards the jam.”
'no flat earther has ever provided any evidence - OF ANYTHING! '
this as a reply to being shown THREE high altitude real photographs of a perfectly flat horizon.
if you are as self-aware as you think you are, you should notice your responses to actual evidence and bothersome questions in this short debate. they are not actual logical sequitur responses in any way.
you have either ignored the points completely or changed the subject to humour/ generalisations.
you should notice that. not that you replied with the famous experiment everyone knows about which proves the earth is in motion, or the one that proves gravity exists as a force (and not just an effect,) or why the most miniscule movements of a massive telescope over a period of six months prove the stars really ARE moving relative each other, honest, etc. but instead you tried to ignore those problematic questions and annoying little obvious proofs that the opposite of what you have been led to believe is true all of your life is actually a massive mindfucking deception on most of the population and then what that means..
but if you're starting from the point of view the official (tm) model of the flat earth is that non sense flat disc pizza with an ice wall and it also bears little resemblance to reality as well then we agree:
the third problem with the ball should get your curiosity twitching, shouldn't it?
that picture of the ball earth which was everywhere on everything for 30 years was supposed to have been taken by apollo 17 in 1972 on its way back from the moon. if you know moon missions were faked, then this image must be fake, but yet it has been used to convince billions, especially those born between 1960 and today, that this is what earth looks like, even though it is NOT anyone's personal every day experience.
we experience a big stationary lumpy plane, some times we can see for a hundred miles, sometimes only five feet, depends on the weather and terrain. those who live in japan, australia, russia, africa, europe, the americas, all experience the same thing. no one has ever reported motion and no one lives vertically, or upside down.
what they TELL us and what we experience for ourselves are two entirely different things. that should also get you thinking.