RE: Did Zelensky just commit political suicide? Crazy stuff. Trump/JD Vance accused Zelensky of being disrespectful in the oval office, starting an argument while having "no cards".

[noloafing]

The suit thing is NOT VALID

Give me a fucking break. Leaders during a time of war rarely wear business costumes. Off the top I can think of Churchill at the Whitehouse.

And if I follow your logic of the "most powerful man", Musk must be the more powerful of the two because I don't remember seeing any comments about him not wearing a business costume when he was in the Oval office.

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[leaky20]

I don't know if this is directed at me but I also outlined above that I felt the suit issue was not valid. It felt like it was meant as an ambush more than anything.

To be honest I'd rather society not even debate the suit comment. The philosopher Noam Chompsky outlines it nicely

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum... That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

The suit debate feels like that type of situation to me. Allow people to argue over nonsense while the real issues get swept away. The rest of Chompsky's speech is interesting as well because it speak about how such issues and debates lead to division in society

... you are struck by the narrowing of thought and understanding, the limited nature of legitimate discussion, the separation of people from each other. The goal is a society in which the basic social unit is you and your television set. If the kid next door is hungry, it's not your problem. If the retired couple next door invested their assets badly and are now starving, that's not your problem either."