i believe the earth is flat. And i believe that information is being hidden. Here is some proof. Try and watch this video, it never starts at the beginning. rewind for some 'hidden information' that is dangerous enough to do this too.
because gyroscopes prove it.
because lights shining thru the clouds prove the sun is closer than it appears.
because live gps of planes in southern hemisphere don't cross the oceans (90% disappear after they leave the airport, dunno why 10% get thru, and these are estimates, but on the whole planes are not being shown crossing the southern oceans)
because ships that disappeared over the horizon reappear with telescoping lens
because nasa's photo of a globe earth is an admitted composite and keeps changing with time. here is another pic
and believe me, the proof it is not just keeps coming, and the lack of ability to defend heliocentric model without pseudoscience... without closed door research that you are expected just to accept without being able to prove.
btw been 'debating' kerriknox for a while now. he uses strawmen arguments to defeat the flat earth arguments (aka he never, ever engages the issues). he is a schill. 100%.
Hahahaha ohmygod, that "NASA's official Earth image" is a tumblr meme, this is some "cowboy bebop at his computer" tier not-doing-the-research, no wonder you think the Earth is flat!
so something becomes a meme it is no longer true?
it is a thing because it is a thing.
Well, no, I meant it was in the same pantheon of memetic "times tumblr didn't bother to research anything" as that "arm of an african-american burn victim" that was actually a horse dildo.
Although my attempts to dig up the original all seem to indicate the picture actually is a composite picture of the Earth from NASA, which is embarrassing. Still, I can concede that mocking that picture was presumptuous without it meaning the Earth isn't round.
this is the first step to seeing the truth, realizing that what you think you've seen is nothing but a lie.
i think you have been reading to much of the 'debunking flat earthers' instead of actually seeing what the flat earth people have to say. people like kerriknox use strawmen arguments against us. we do not believe what he says, then he proceeds to 'debunk' the theory.
kinda like myth busters episode in which they 'debunk' the moon landing hoax. they cherry picked what they 'debunked' ... honestly this is just more proof to me that it was a hoax.
I don't actually read much debunking, mostly when I google something and a metabunk thread about the exact talking-point I'm responding to is in the first few results.
maybe you should do some research on what your spending so much time debunking.
i used to think flat earth was ridiculous. now i'm convinced.
and it has been talking to the 'debunkers' that made me even more convinced. absolutely zero evidence, and usually ridicule. can't shame me into silence...
I'm not really attempting to "debunk" or "refute", that takes more digging and effort, I tend to just give the reasons why I find a given "proof" of a flat Earth to be unimpressive. Maybe some ridicule, but the "you haven't convinced me that you're right" position is a lot easier to maintain than the "I'm going to convince you that you're wrong".
you need help my friend....
yes, save me from the insane people that think water is curved when all evidence points to the contrary.
to continue thinking water is curved.. you must know nothing of reflection..
or the suez canel.. 120 miles .. ocean to ocean ... 100% level. there should be a 80 foot change, if a globe.
or continue to lie to yourself that all this makes sense. this is not a debate, these truths are immutable and only covered up by your ignorance.
muted sir!
Wow! Good catch.
thank you. and thank you for the upvotes. i was a bit demoralized after losing 25 rep points talking to the globe earth guys. i tried to tell myself i didn't care, but i do... glad to find someone else who cares about truth.
You're welcome. Thank you for smoking out the shills.
you are welcome.
that is what i do. ask enough questions, the truth will shine out!
Hey bro, good job, don't let the globe believers hurt your psyche, keep researching for the truth, peace!
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STOPI've seen a video (probably on youtube, feel free to look for it) in which a guy basically straps a camera to a balloon and then lets it go.
It flies up and up and up until you can actually see the curvature of the earth, that seems like a good test you could undertake if you want to disprove a lot of astronauts :)
Also check out codyslab:
I thought this was a pretty cool and easy to accomplish test
you can't see the curve in the video. he spends 15 minutes explaining to you why he thinks what he thinks is a curve. he didn't send up a balloon either.
here are high altitude pictures
can't find one with a curve that is not also a fish-eye lens
If the information is being "hidden", how come it is all over the internet? Dangerous stuff? Dangerous for your critical thinking abilities maybe :-)
it doesn't come up easily when searched for. and it is getting harder. since you aren't looking for it, you wouldn't know.
why is it happening? i'll tell you... it is the amount of money involved... you really think no one would be interested in doing it? NASA takes in 17,647,000,000 in 2014 that is 48,000,000 a day. that is just nasa.
I just googled flat earth on google and got: About 3,830,000 results (0.49 seconds) results on the first page seem evenly split between for and against...
You do know that Nasa's budget doesn't have any spending earmarked for deleting flat earth posts. I didn't even see a conspiracy section or CGI section. You can take a peek at their budget for fiscal year 2017 right here: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/agency_budget_briefing_tagged.pdf
you must ask it directly. if it didn't work at all more would figure out there was a problem.
right? and where is your salary in there? how odd. /s
you actually trying to forward the idea that a shadow industry would publish how it screws us over? what kind of logic is that?
You can find me listed in the counterintelligence division :-)
And it is not exactly a stealth part of government. It is open to the public. You can go bum around and pester people about anything except any defense department goings on.
haha. so you counter-intelligence with nonsense?
seems about right.
Its all very advanced...I wouldn't want to bore you
Stupid. Our planet isnt flat or perfectly round. Look up data and facts ive seen alot on this subject and there is no science backing. If you look at every planet they are roundish. The flat earth theory started as a way to insult people. Like the origin of the word jay walking. That fact that the flat earth theory says that there is no gravity we live in a dome and that our sun is actually the size of the moon is rediculous. Why is it that when you are in a plane at night you cant see the sun still? If its a flat disc wouldnt night be more of a twilight not a black sky?
With only 3 flights toward the same direction you can travel around the earth and arrive to the starting point. For example toward the east: USA ✈️ EUROPE ✈️ ASIA ✈️ USA.
it works the same on a flat earth, you just go in a circle.
try flying over antarctica. trying going to antartica to see the all day sun.
If the earth is flat, can you show me some photos of the end of the earth, please?. People must be doing a lot of selfies, but I have not seen any.
I am MORE than happy to debate, klevn, but you go off on tangents, bring up nasa over and over when it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth, and you avoid discussing the subject to it's completion, like you are doing with @phyg on gyroscopes, when you stopped talking about gyros when he proved you didn't understand them, and went off on planes over the southern hemisphere oceans.
If you want to discuss ONE SINGLE TOPIC, the topic of sun's rays coming through the clouds, and you will agree to continue the discussion to it's completion, and will agree to concede if I prove you wrong (and I also will agree to concede if you can prove me wrong) and you use FACTS, EVIDENCE, and LOGIC to support your claim, I will agree to discuss this SINGLE TOPIC with you. No tangents. No NASA.
Oh, and you must finish the convo on Gyros with phyg as well. Same terms. No tangents. ONLY the discussion of gyros.
Do you agree to the rational terms?
there is no lack of understanding of gyroscopes. i made it thru college physics. i may not remember the formulas but i remember the concepts. and can easily look it up again.
there is no debate about how they work, only that @phyg tried to claim angular momentum is somehow negated.
what this says is it will remain in position because of angular momentum. this does not explain why a gyroscope doesn't rotate in a 24 hour period given the 'rotation of the earth'
right, because that is how you debate a very large topic, you get to narrow the field. you are choosing strawmen arguments that no flat earther holds. you are twisting the truth to make it seem ridiculous.
pretending that NASA isn't complicit in the helio centric model is also ridiculous.
on you last post i stayed directly on topic and rebuked your post, and yet i still got downvoted. so don't tell me you are now ready to debate.
go back, undownvote me, and discuss the post i made to your recent post.
>complains about being strawmanned in debates
>equates separating angular and lateral components of velocity to denying conservation of angular momentum
how am i denying anything?
you've just posted words, then refuse to go further. you don't explain how these things are somehow negated during the spinning of the earth.
so instead of being obtuse, clarify why you think what you think is correct. citing physical examples that prove it, not just theory conjectured.
I didn't say you were denying anything, but okay that means I should rephrase what I've said to be less obtuse, to wit: "Don't complain about being strawmanned in debates, while strawmanning me as denying conservation of momentum when I'm just separating angular and lateral components of velocity."
oh, look you've avoid my question, and still being obtuse.
there is no strawman here. i directly asked you about your statement, been doing it the whole time. you are avoiding it.
I responded to the one actual question you awsked which was the first thing you said. Not the same thing as avoiding a question. But okay, I'll summarize;
I think low-quality gyroscopes can't pick up rotations as slow as one rotation every 24 hours while high-quality ones can. Which is tautologically true considering that how small a rotation a gyroscope can pick up is the obvious metric for how good a gyroscope is, the stronger assertion is that any gyroscope that purports to "prove the Earth doesn't rotate" is actually just low-quality enough not to pick up said rotation. Which is kinda taken on faith, but not any more than a flat-Earther takes on faith that the experimenter actually did use a good enough gyroscope that they would have picked up the Earth's rotation if the Earth was actually rotating.
As for how it's possible for a low-quality gyroscope to not pick up a rotation, the answer is friction. No gyroscope in the real world is perfectly frictionless, but high-quality ones used in aerospace get closer than cheap ones sold as "educational toys".
Great! I guess that is a no.
I'll consider this conversation finished then. I won't bother you any more on your posts since you just stated you have no willingness to discuss a single topic to it's completion.
Please respect my board and no not make any further comments on it.
Thank you for respecting my wishes.
you are on my board. you are following me. you refuse to debate on yours because you know i would win.
go back to your last post. scroll to the bottom. undownvote it. discuss.
if you do this, i would believe your intentions are pure, but your deception in trying to hold the debate away from the board in which the questions where called is... manipulative.
I explained EVERY SINGLE TIME before I downvoted you for the EXACT reasons why and that I had requested you argue honestly before each one. You were unable to comply with the dictates of rational argument.
And you refused to debate on a single topic honestly. So, I consider the case closed. Please do not come to my board. And I will not bother you on yours again.
i'll do what i do. you are trying to control me. get a life, stop doing what you are told.
LOL. Who's telling me to do anything? And who is trying to 'control' you? Wow, paranoia and unsupported accusations runs very deep in your mind ! EVERYONE who disagrees with you is now 'just taking orders' and are a shill? I wonder what it's like to be that paranoid and have a theory so terrible that you have to have something like a billion people in on the conspiracy, every one of them able to keep silent!
Good luck. I hope no one continues to 'control' you! LOL.