Currently the threshold for the vote slider to appear is 1 MV of STEEM POWER, or around 500 SP. After this, users can set their vote strength between 1-100%.
Now that hardfork 19 is in effect, user votes are up to 4 times as strong. I submitted a pull request to make the requirements for the vote slider 1/4 as high. This means it would only require 0.25 MV of SP (or around 125 STEEM POWER) to be able to use the slider.
I did tests with a user that had 120 SP (a little less that .25 MV), and they were able to upvote some posts with 1%, while near full voting power. After they have depleted some of their voting power they will start to get a "Voting weight is too small, please accumulate more voting power or steem power." error.
Once they reach that point, they can either increase their voting weight to 2% and continue voting, or buy more SP. They can continue with 2% votes until they get to around 50% voting power and then they will need to up their weight to 3%.. Of course, they still have the option to do higher weighted votes (including 100%).
I think lowering the limit to 125 SP will give new users an easier target to aim for, to incentivize them to buy/earn more SP. It will also allow them to spread their votes out more if they don't want to use up all their voting power quickly.
The pull request can be viewed here:
https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/1511
The PR is not accepted yet, but I plan to work with Steemit, Inc. to make any edits necessary to get it approved. Hopefully we will see the changes up on the live site soon!
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I 100% agree with the idea to lower threshold for slider now that voting strength is 4x in order to allow minnows to spread their votes a bit. A recharge time of 5 days is a really long time and in the new system as amazing as it is it will burn a lot of people out in the first day, where they don't even have access to this option except on the chainbb interface, and as far as I know there hasn't been any major drawback from chainbb allowing anyone to use the slider so it could at least be less than 500 to start
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@alphacore
you are amazing...keep it up...
Yeah, I have really reduced my upvoting. I think I need to go on an upvote fast as its really reduced my power and I like voting...5 days recovery is really rough.
This will sort the thing out but HF19 truly made a revolution inside an already revolutionary platform. This is getting more and more exciting. I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw today. Great moment for the whole Steemit community and Steem project. Thanks for sharing! @timcliff
Very good stuff Tim.
Thanks for all you do, sorry I could not give you more for this post but man, my VP is down to like 30% now LOL.
I love being able to vote for people and make a tangible difference!!!
No worries. I'd rather have you spend your voting power on other posts anyways ;)
A true gentlemen.
30%?? LOL. Many I'm at like 89 and I thought I was getting low.
I agree with you on this @timcliff and happy to know that you have raised a PR for this. It makes perfect sense to reduce the threshold of the slider given the fact that voting power has increased be effectively 4 times. Looking forward to the approval and changes :)
Excellent work. Did I say this yet? Maybe not, because I can't stop thinking it..
The vote slider should show you "approximately" how much Voting Power you have left. That would make a huge difference, like this:
The numbers are not accurate, but it gives you an idea... At a glance if you knew how much your next vote would affect your remaining voting power you might be more apt to pay attention how much you spend each time.
Awesome idea!! I'll look into it.
Great job Tim, I think this is a great update idea.
Which reminds me, I need to update my witness votes, I'm going to add you sir. 👍🏻
Hey from 8 to 7 😁
Cool, thank you :)
as a newbie, on esteem I can use the slider. I can also set the power of my manual vote via a few other apps for voting while in that app. So. What's the deal with steemit hiding it at all?
The platform already has a steep learning curve for new users. Introducing the voting slider after they have gotten used to the basics is part of it.
Also there is a limit in how small of votes you can cast. If you got it right away you would get errors if you tried to vote below a certain percentage. This is also not good for the user experience.
It is a little frustrating how many "oh by the way" things there are to discover. I, for one, would have appreciated a typed out list of the math and timing rules. .... oh by the way, there's this 30 minute weird window on upvoting for curating $, and oh by the way, you're not really in control of how your votes are distributed, and oh by the way ... there's rumors of other time limits too.
Has anyone thought about how rough it is and how discouraging it is and how shady it feels to self-discover these hidden factoids? I'm rather certain, there's more I haven't discovered yet.
And y'all are worried about trusting us with a slider that could keep us from voting ourselves into oblivion?
Change the error messages into instruction messages. Restrict the range of the slider for newbies, but please don't fail to equip the most active voters on the platform, those who are freshly fascinated.
Have you checked out the FAQ? A lot of that stuff is covered there.
The impact on not having the slider is not as horrible as you make it sound. If you vote a lot, the system will automatically start voting with less weight, since your voting power will be lower. It is the same effect as using the slider, just without as much choice on which posts/comments it gets used on. When you have so little SP anyway, the effects of this are so minimal that most users will not notice.
The decision was made that it is not worth the extra complexity to new users, for the benefit they gain.
As someone who has been here a week I welcome the chance to control my voting power at a lower barrier to entry. I am rather active so using up 40 votes in voting power a day was normal. With only 10 votes now till I get to 500 SP I have to be extremely selective and not as supportive in using voting power. While I do understand my voting power now gives more weight I would prefer to lessen it to around 20-50% when needed. From how active I am, and causes I support this would enable me to at least cover more bases.
Thank you @timcliff for doing tests, and thinking of the minnows like myself and, many others that wish to be very active and supportive on Steemit!
Slow improvments and building on the successes already achieved is the way to go to make Steemit even better. Hope you get the slider threshold in the next HF.
It actually will not require a hardfork. If they accept it, it will get changed when they deploy their next UI release to Steemit.com
Hello Timcliff
I have a question.(two actually)
My votes are ten times and more, of what it was. (From 0.01 to 0.10 and higher)
I, just jet, checked my voting power, it's 33% and still I give someone 0.10.
That's the info,and now my question, lol.
According too my knowledge ;), with 33% voting power, I could not give anyone anything, and certainly not 0.10, is that correct?
And a second question. Do I harm "myself" if I keep voting?
Edit; thank you for the article :)
The more you vote, the more of your voting power you will use up. A 100% strength vote with 50% voting power left is half as strong as when your voting power is fully charged.
There is really no harm other than it makes your votes worth less because you have less voting power.
If you vote excessively then eventually your voting power will get so low that it will not let you vote anymore until it recharges a bit (or you buy more SP).
Ok thank you for your answer. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for showing how to use the vote slide bar.
A neat little trick sneaked in there Tim.
Well done on your hard fork yesterday too, but I can bet my life you were well ahead of the game before then ;) CHEERS MAN!! Steem on!
That would be nice ... As all posts are not created equal and its always nice to be able to give a little extra where it counts ..
Give the minnows more power!
i think this would be sweet, I am trying to get to 500 SP to get my self the vote slider so i can spread my votes to more content i like . so 125 would be a lot closer goal then 500
That is a really good idea :) I guess it will be very appreciated by the new community members ;)
I just earned my slider this morning.
Through organic growth it took me 32 days here on steemit to get it. It was my first personal milestone!
I remember getting my slider, I was so proud
LOL,
good for you man, nice work!!!
It was the perfect time to get it with hf19... Seriously couldn't have timed that any better. But yeah I was proud for sure... Especially getting there organically, it took me 32 days here on steemit
This is a really good idea @timcliff. I've always wondered why the vote slider never worked for me but now I get it.
I think 125SP is an ok figure to have that option enabled as users with SP less than 125 shouldn't really be worried about that since their voting power will be low anyway.
I vote for this.
Excellent work sir @timcliff, thank you very much for this information
Have a great day
Thanks @jlufer! You too :)
I just found out about the requirement for the slider...i thought i'm seeing pictures of an old feature that isn't available anymore :) It's a great idea to lower the requirement. Can't wait to be able to access this feature myself :)
See my suggestion for a solution here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@l0k1/proposal-for-options-for-a-partial-slider-for-sub-500sp-accounts It basically lowers the resolution of the slider for these accounts, thus increasing their available number of individual vote transactions while not exceeding their bandwidth allocation.
Good suggestion. I replied to your thread. FYI - in the context of the comment that I left, I actually got a lot of push-back even trying to lower it to 125. The PR still hasn't even been accepted yet, and IDK if it will.
Well, I'm taking on the responsibility and putting myself in the firing line to achieve this, since I have less to lose by continuing to pursue this, and much to gain, personally, not just in monetary form but also in the satisfaction of finding the shortest path to the best solution. :)
Wondeful development. Good to read this and the frustration of being a minnow is now far less than it was two days ago.
the simplest solution is to make the minimum vote around 25%. This way they consume at least the equivalent of 4 votes for what would have been 1 before. I figured, give them a simpler scale, 25 50 75 100 options. Training wheels, not a wheelchair. Giving them a minimum vote any lower than that and they will start to burn their bandwidth capacity.
I fixed the numbers in my comment above. I gotta take a chill pill at the moment...
If you can convince the people opposed to it to go along with it, and submit a pull request for it - I'd be on board :)
thank you for the info
this is really really needed now! It's hard to keep my votes from jumping at all the great content!
while we minnows don't have that slider, here, take my 100% vote!
Thats a great idea for the minnows... who knows what the future hold, its day 1 right now and too many people already want changes.
Thank you , i cant wait to have my slider i am way below the requirements.
thanks for sharing
super important to rephrase this for the passing Minnow to see like WARNING TO MINNOWS, you will SPEND ALL your upvot power if you DONT lower your voting power in that little sllider! lower it down to 10 if u plan on erally upvoting alot or u will see it diisappear and it niw takes five days to recharge!
I'd love to have the slider just to have the option.
@timcliff THANK YOU! We really needed this!
ah, great to get that slider. will be pretty useful for the minnows as well!
and what is best 1% or 100%
It totally depends. The higher weight you use, the more rewards you will assign to the post - but also the more of your voting power you will use up.
I concur. I didn't know there was a threshold . I feel bad for them!
When do you get this slider? Does it depend on your Reputation Score?
It depends on the amount of STEEM POWER you have. Currently you need around 500 SP to use the slider. This change would lower the limit to around 125.
Ah thanks a lot for the clarification :)
Man @timcliff just making it happen. This would be a great tool for new members to have so they don't get handcuffed.
Thanks for that one! I'am since May here but still didn't know anything about any witnesses and where to vote for them.
A very good update and added value to members from your update..Fired up and ready to go... Will turn steem to a rocket and power it up to more success
Excellent work to inform users.
interesting post.
I like that you added.
Amen!
We needed this yesterday! Just kidding... 😜
Thanks, can't wait until implementation!
Some of us here are not really clear with some of the post coz we are new here and Im hopping with little help we can understand this sliding scale you are talking about. Informative though
@welovesteemit is no slider available. How is that possible and what can I do?
He needs more SP. Currently the slider does not look at delegated SP.
How much? Thank you for the quick answer.
One MV of SP. Currently that is 483.101.
Thank you @timcliff.
nice nice nice. thanks for this.
good update
I am having a great time here on steemit already
But this 4x time increases so upvote power is just amazing
Thank you very much for your help by posting this great info
Best Regards Andrei
Guys please vote @timcliff as a witness
I will definitely do it now
Best Regards Tim
Oh apparently I did vote you as a witness already @timcliff
Cool, thank you :)
You welcome
Thank you! I was unsure what the number of required steem power was. I was told 300sp and 500sp so I was not too sure which was correct.
=) long way to go for me still. lol
By the way I love the idea of lowering the number to at least to 200sp thats a bit better.
@timcliff
you are always on point...thanks for your effort to put us through..
one question...if you have high steem power from 125$ worth, can you be able to upvote for more than 50x daily...does it mean with higher steem power one can maintain his voting power...and does more upvoting deplete steam power fast enough one has to buy more...
all these sounds complex to me as am new but with your guide..i shall keep up...
I still await your comment on my intro post Tim...You have been splendid...you just had my witness vote
You have a certain amount of voting power. Each time you cast a vote, you use up some of your voting power. As your voting power goes down, your votes are worth less. Your voting power also recharges over time.
With the vote slider, you are able to cast fourty 25% votes each with 1/4 the strength, and use up the same amount of voting power as if you cast ten 100% votes. The votes would each be worth 1/4 the rewards as well.
ok....so i can set it for either 10 votes at 100% or 25% for 40 votes...if so, where...and can i buy steem power to power up my vote so it dosnt depreciate...
You currently need around 500 SP to be able to use the slider. This change would lower that limit to 125.
If you buy more SP it means that you can have the same influence over rewards without using as much voting power. A user with 1000 SP voting at 50% strength has the same effect as a user with 500 SP voting with 100%.
Honestly i learnt a lot from your post. Thanks for the information about scaling of voting power, i never knew there is such choice here. Though i never reach up to 500 SP but am glad it has been reduced to more affordable power, in this aspect that means my vote can be utilized for helpful post.