I'm from the arctic Norway, we have midnight sun and the polar star is almost directly above our heads. Now I've moved a bit south and there is no midnight sun and the polar star is clearly on the north of the sky. Such a simple observation is very trivially explained with the round earth theory, and very hard to explain with a flat earth theory.
Much easier to explain on a ball, if the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, if it’s a much closer sun, as it appears to me, a plane explains just fine.
Why doesn’t the North Star ever move if we are moving 67,000mph around a giant fireball moving 483,000mph, in a galaxy moving 1,300,000 mph. Seems highly improbable
You know, the absolute speed of movement is irrelevant. With greater speed, the greater orbital radius and also the greater orbital period. The sun takes 250 million years to travel around the galaxy. If the polar star would be standing still while we were moving, it would take some 700k years for the star to move a single degree on the sky. Since the polar star is moving at roughly the same speed and in roughly the same direction, it takes a lot more. Hence of course it's impossible for a mere mortal like me to observe this movement. Perhaps the scientists can measure it, I don't know, I'm not an astronomer.
However, due to the precession of the earths rotational axis, the polar star does move around with a period of 22000 years. The current polar star has not always been used as the north reference for navigators. Of course this is also outside the scope of what I can directly observe, though Wikipedia covers it pretty well.
Moving north & moving slower rotationally is a giant problem. As are rivers on a spinning ball & airplanes..... so many contradictions with a curved spinning ball & reality
As I understand it (I'm no hydrologist mind you) hydrodynamic principles change with huge volume of water. Maybe that could account for different effects of movement?
Sure, but you’d be spinning 1000mph at the equator & significantly slower 1/2 way to the pole. Water behaves universally in my physical life experience. Why does the spin of the earth not affect flight times in any direction? There are many more examples of things that I can model perfectly on a big sea level plane, but need crazy theoretical terms that can’t be modeled to make work on a ball.
It is the most interesting subject I’ve ever studied, & by far the most taboo. If you start trying to have the conversation, you will see some very passionate responses backed by very little logic & giant leaps of programmed faith. Most interesting
I lived in a town in Ecuador for about ten months that had the highest concentration of weirdos of anywhere I've ever been. (I say weirdos with the greatest fondness)
There were at least 100 flat earthers there and most were quite vocal. I cannot discount anything and like you I find the subject fascinating.
The worst case scenario is everyone talks about the physics we experience everyday & science! What’s so wrong with that? Why so many pop culture references against it? Why has there never in the history of tv or movies been a flat earth themed environment? Fun questions to ask
I'm from the arctic Norway, we have midnight sun and the polar star is almost directly above our heads. Now I've moved a bit south and there is no midnight sun and the polar star is clearly on the north of the sky. Such a simple observation is very trivially explained with the round earth theory, and very hard to explain with a flat earth theory.
Much easier to explain on a ball, if the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, if it’s a much closer sun, as it appears to me, a plane explains just fine.
Why doesn’t the North Star ever move if we are moving 67,000mph around a giant fireball moving 483,000mph, in a galaxy moving 1,300,000 mph. Seems highly improbable
Danged ol math 😊
Turns out, rotating spherical geometry is a great part of math! Dang reality is the problem
The Polar Star does move indeed.
How much, & any good Proof?
You know, the absolute speed of movement is irrelevant. With greater speed, the greater orbital radius and also the greater orbital period. The sun takes 250 million years to travel around the galaxy. If the polar star would be standing still while we were moving, it would take some 700k years for the star to move a single degree on the sky. Since the polar star is moving at roughly the same speed and in roughly the same direction, it takes a lot more. Hence of course it's impossible for a mere mortal like me to observe this movement. Perhaps the scientists can measure it, I don't know, I'm not an astronomer.
However, due to the precession of the earths rotational axis, the polar star does move around with a period of 22000 years. The current polar star has not always been used as the north reference for navigators. Of course this is also outside the scope of what I can directly observe, though Wikipedia covers it pretty well.
This is a good answer, but I’m curious to look up the history of the recorded distance estimates.
Moving north & moving slower rotationally is a giant problem. As are rivers on a spinning ball & airplanes..... so many contradictions with a curved spinning ball & reality
As I understand it (I'm no hydrologist mind you) hydrodynamic principles change with huge volume of water. Maybe that could account for different effects of movement?
Sure, but you’d be spinning 1000mph at the equator & significantly slower 1/2 way to the pole. Water behaves universally in my physical life experience. Why does the spin of the earth not affect flight times in any direction? There are many more examples of things that I can model perfectly on a big sea level plane, but need crazy theoretical terms that can’t be modeled to make work on a ball.
It is the most interesting subject I’ve ever studied, & by far the most taboo. If you start trying to have the conversation, you will see some very passionate responses backed by very little logic & giant leaps of programmed faith. Most interesting
I lived in a town in Ecuador for about ten months that had the highest concentration of weirdos of anywhere I've ever been. (I say weirdos with the greatest fondness)
There were at least 100 flat earthers there and most were quite vocal. I cannot discount anything and like you I find the subject fascinating.
The worst case scenario is everyone talks about the physics we experience everyday & science! What’s so wrong with that? Why so many pop culture references against it? Why has there never in the history of tv or movies been a flat earth themed environment? Fun questions to ask