@steemcommunity Has Pretty Much Everyone on Steemit On A BlackList

in #witness-category6 years ago (edited)

So I haven't posted for a while, and I really didn't have much intent to do so, but I was flipping through some of the Discord servers I'm on earlier today, and came across @tuck-fheman mentioning on the @spl server that SPL had been added to a blacklist "exclusion list" created by @paulag.

@steemcommunity is a Witness currently at full rank 101 and active rank 89 as you can see on https://steemian.info/witnesses - which is an invaluable tool (thanks @drakos! you're also on her list!) more generally than this completely preventable shit-show.

There are about 95k accounts on that list, which includes far more than just spammers, scammers, and vote rings. Go ahead. Type your account name into the search box. Chances are @paulag has you on her "paulag exclusion list". Like that's supposed to mean something.

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@gtg, @jesta, @timcliff (who upvoted the post linked above - wtf?), @roelandp, and @good-karma are also on the "paulag exclusion list", and I only checked the top 5 Witnesses. @paulag herself is on her own exclusion list, as is her witness partner @abh12345. So are @berniesanders and @nextgencrypto. So are @dan and @ned. So are @acidyo, @sykochica, @jonny-clearwater, and every other name I entered into the search box.

I strongly encourage users of this platform to remove their votes from this Witness, as they are at best careless and irresponsible, and at worst self-important pricks masturbating to their own delusions of grandeur.


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I don't think it was meant to be malicious, just a work in progress. I have no idea how I got on that list (unless it's really a list of the most charming guys around).

Messaging @paulag about it.

Perhaps, but then as far as I can tell the best-case scenario is that it was highly irresponsible to publish such a list.

That seems to be the case with an unfinished project. No disagreement there.

look now, they just took down the list!!

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yep including artemisnorth and shadowspub .. how idiotic

I mean, they're bragging about it in that post. Like who the fuck is @paulag that anyone should care if she has every account on Steemit on some "exclusion list"? Are they trying to self-immolate on here? Or are they sociopathic enough to think that's actually some kind of community service?

I'm going with yes for the answer to the last question. Beautiful post, btw.

https://steemit.com/witness-category/@paulag/reasoning-behind-the-exclusion-list-an-apology-and-time-for-a-change-of-plan

Yesterday we saw a little drama here on Steemit down to an exclusion list that had published ...

Apart from finding people rude, aggressive and obnoxious because of the list, and firing blame on loss of support being down to my list, that in fact was viewed just 6 times before the additional publicity given by yesterday’s breakdown by people ...

... while receiving abuse from others.

I also saw the comments referred to as a "witch hunt" on the original post announcing a site that had been up for four days before those of us willing to do something about it did something about it. Unless something has changed since last time I looked, none of the comments were even remotely close to "drama", "rude", "aggressive", "obnoxious", or "abusive" compared to creating an arbitrary shit-list with almost every active account on Steemit included.

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I love that you are outspoken about anything, ancapbarbie

I do have steemcommunity on my list actually but so funny that even paulag and abh12345 are also on the blacklist? So i dont get it 🤣

I flagged the post for the abuse that it is. If we are truly going to be self-regulating without the need for centralized "authority" (as opposed to leadership, because the latter is by example and the former is by force), then this is as good an example as any I've seen on here for us, as a community, to prove it.

I am, apparently, not on the list, but I am not sure how I earned that distinction. Or maybe all the "cool kids" are on the list and I'm not a "cool kid" 😛 It is, indeed, odd, however, for the creator of such a list to be on their own list... 🤔

I'm being told that it wasn't meant to be fully live yet and that the SQL pulled any account that was used to create another account.

To the first point: Then best-case scenario, it was irresponsible for them to publish a post announcing it.

To the second point: That is either incorrect or dishonest, because I've created three accounts but all three were through steemit.com and waiting for approval.

Knew there was a reason they never made my it into my witness votes...

Zero chance of ever getting mine, or the numerous others who have me set as their proxy.

Guarantee I'm on the list because of multiple accounts and various bots. Oh well, not like they ever came to see us anyway. Asher used to be alliance but never showed any family support. SO...this really is funny.

I'm sorry you feel this way towards me personally. I'm quite sure I have supported many alliance members and continue to do so.

I do try to spread my vote around and act as selfishly as possible towards the charity's and smaller accounts:

  • no self-votes for months
  • weekly donations
  • 3000 SP out on loan for free (which I pay for monthly)
  • weekly prizes out of my own pocket

I live on a shoestring trying to do what I can for this place, and take to heart remarks regarding lack of support towards others.

Ok, it appears I am not on the list...odd.

yeah wonder where all the data came from, not on it either...
but then again anything on anon steem wasn't factored in so the whole thing is flawed
I'm going to make my own epic black list,

Thanks for the heads up on this @ancapbarbie

Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I missed this "list" but from reading both posts do not agree with these actions or the manner in which an "apology" was doled out

I feel sad - ok I know i am not very important and we never met but my fu...ing German male ego is always crying when I get no mention - I want to be a VIP lol too :-). Good post!

Oops! Hehe honestly I just tagged the first few that came to mind.

But being half-German I totally get the hatred for Mexico right now ego thing. :P

Haha - no worries - I was joking @ancapbarbie - I simply love your name - are you a boy or girl or sth in between :-)? Am nit that important to be mentioned amongst the guys really - I just wanted to shout out to make relations lol

Well that post has certainly been hammered into non existence, it's rubbed many people up the wrong way and has received a devastating backlash because of it.

But, I also think it is only fair and right that people give @steemcommunity the chance to explain what happened, what went wrong and how they are going to correct it. I have kept up with @abh12345 for a very long time and I really like Asher - he does really good work in the community, produces some amazing stats from the Blockchain and is generally the nicest most genuine person you would ever meet online. He doesn't deserve what is basically turning into a Witch Hunt in the comments of that post, and I really do not think knee jerk backlashes that I see popping up over posts more and more do anything for Steemit.

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Thanks buddy, very nice of you to say the above.

We'll have an update on it soon enough.

As I've stated here and elsewhere, we reap what we sow. It was, at best, irresponsible to publicly announce such a site before realizing and correcting its obvious problems. I do not think my post is a knee-jerk backlash, and what crosses that line when we're talking about an arbitrary blacklist that was publicly announced on the blockchain? I don't know about any witch hunt, but I would be more concerned if someone I knew and respected did this, not less. If his Witness published that post, he deserves whatever backlash he gets. I'm not going to sympathize with someone who jumps in front of a bus when they get hit by the bus.

I think community response to this sort of thing does a lot more for Steemit than seemingly arbitrary blacklists.

And I don't have a horse in this race. I don't know either of them. But I know I won't be supporting their Witness, because what I've seen today was at best highly irresponsible.

I'm told it was a mistake, that the site wasn't meant to be live - but then why publish announcing it?

I'm told the SQL pulled anyone whose account has been used to create another account, but that is either incorrect or dishonest, because I've created three accounts and all three were through steemit.com and waiting for approval. I'm frankly now concerned about my IP address being accessible to anyone with the proper technical knowledge, which would be a massive security vulnerability in the blockchain or its front-ends.

Just to be completely transparent, I was referring to the comments (and level of ferocity in them) in the post you linked as a Witch Hunt - nothing at all to do with your post - which is stating your feelings and perfectly reasonable and well balanced.

I totally agree with what you are saying, but I just would also like to see a public response from @steemcommunity before I make my own judgement.

people in witness partnerships run the risk of this kind of shit
when prices are low and morale is low you DO NOT do this if you are a supposed leader on here
us minions can taketh away as we giveth,

it seems they have taken that particular page down now. I was curious to see if I was on there. They really did get a heap of backlash for that one.. the lesson here for me I think is that this kind of stuff needs to be thoroughly thought through before being made public on steemit!