Think about it logically, look at the places that have enacted gun control and how it has worked.
Australia
One mass shooting and we brought in strict gun laws, since then no mass shootings.
United Kingdom
3 Mass shootings since 1987
France
3 mass shootings since 1995
America
1,052 incidents from 2013 through Dec. 2, 2015
Yeaaaaaa guns aren't the problem
The same arguments are always had by pro-gun advocates.
-"if we were allowed to conceal carry the shooter would of been taken out" Wrong, the shooter in Las Vegas was on the 30th floor of a hotel, people in the crowd would of been able to do nothing.
-"if you take away guns people will use knives/vehicles/ bombs etc etc" Yea cos a guy in a car could injure 500+ and kill 50+ before being stopped. same with a knife. possibly with a bomb but unlikely and much rarer because guess what, bombs are hard to get a hold of.
-"Chicago has the some of the toughest gun laws and still has heaps of gun violence" yea, because everywhere else doesn't and all you have to do is take a short trip interstate where laws are more lax.
-"the people that do these things use illegal guns " yea not all of them. Do you know how expensive it is to buy a gun and ammunition in Australia illegally? The cost alone makes it incredibly nonviable for criminals.
I know you like your guns, i know you dont want to get rid of your guns, but for your own damn sake at least make it harder to get guns.
The amount of shit you have to go through to get a hunting rifle or shotgun for farming in Australia means very few nutters are getting through.
Take note from the countries that have strict gun laws and the fact that it works. Maybe you wont realise until one of your loved ones is the one who dies.
Your gun culture is killing you and im afraid you may be too far gone now that even if you changed the laws it wouldn't help.
But surely its worth a shot, because if the latest shooting is anything to go by whatever you're doing aint working now
Typical liberal knee-jerk reaction.
what a strong argument.....
I only have one question. How many laws does it take to stop a criminal from committing crimes? Gun controll laws only inhibit the good guys. I am a concealed carrry holder and if you take away my gun I can't save your ass!
My thought exactly. A criminal is someone who does NOT obey the law - by definition.
again youre ignoring the point, as a concealed carry holder you would of been useless in las vegas.
In Australia with strict gun laws, i dont need you to save my ass because no one is running around with guns.
i also feel like i should point out that's an oddly phrased question. and the logic is all wrong. Its like saying if murdering people wasnt a crime there would be less crime...
If gun control only inhibits the good guys then why is it so rare to hear about a concealed carry holder stopping mass shootings? im sure it happens but not often.
If one guy pulls out a gun to shoot people and then 20 other people pull out their guns to shoot him you end up with collateral damage, no one knows who is the bad guy cos everyone has guns and you run the risk of having law enforcement or someone else mistaking you for the shooter
We should also ignore the fact that Australia has a population of 24 million where as America has over 300 Million. Statically, there has to be a few more crazies running around America. Gun controll is not Ever, in any way, shape or form, going to make the bad guys turn over their guns, or make guns unobtainable. If the government came to my house with an order for me to turn over my guns, I would have no choice. Though I wouldn't be happy about it. My government knows I have guns and they are registered and under lock and key. Guns obtained illeagally are unregistered and mostly untraceable. In the eyes of a criminal, what's to lose? I truly wish there was peace in the world and no one wanted to kill anyone else. I wish there wasn't drug and gang violence. But hey, we can fix all these problems with more gun control. I never once said that I could have single handedly stopped the shooting in Las Vegas but if that guy was standing in front of me it would have been my last breath trying. I respect you for your opinions and I think you should know how these guns are being obtained before you preach gun control in a country in which you do not reside. Concealed carry holders don't brandish their weapons if the cops are there, that's how they are not mistaken for a bad guy.
then how do you explain that statistically america is responsible for approx 31% of the worlds mass shootings...
It might not make them unobtainable but like i said it makes them a hell of alot more expensive, the cost of an illegal gun here along with ammunition is stupidly high.
It doesn't matter how they are being obtained, gun control= less guns thats a fact. science has shown gun control works to reduce crime and mass shootings.
I respect your opinion too but i think before you knock gun control you need to try it.
how would you know if it works if youve never tried it and every country that has tried it has seen positive results...
I'm more afraid of any government than any lone individuals, personally.
Gun control is government control, easily leading to totalitarian control.
Governments don't want to you to have guns...
Anything that government tells you is bad, is normally the opposite.
Armed populations stop this big brother takeover.
I don't like governments.
I'm with you! Gauging by the state of the world right now, I'd say this is probably THE WORST possible time to be giving up your guns....But what do I know...
The american government is already destroying the people and these armed citizens have done nothing but shoot each other. minimise the damage thats being done already.
Dizzle you are spot on. your foreign perspective is refreshing. i love how any argument for gun control is often shut down by others pegging it as liberal, like it was a dirty word instead of another perspective, or crying about the government is coming for their guns/taking over when they have yet to do that ever!!! unwarranted fear mongering is all that is.. i wont go on cause its useless to argue.
I like to approach an argument from a rational and logical manner. Data is a good place to start. The Washington Post published some statistics recently.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/gun-homicides-ownership/table/
While the USA is at the top of the list when it comes to rates of gun ownership, it is by far not at the top of the list when you click and sort by rates of homicides by gun. In fact Jamaica with far fewer guns is much more murderous of a country. But no one seems to pick on Jamaica.
There's something more to this argument than simply more guns = more death. At least alone it is clearly not the root cause.
That being said, I am personally a big supporter of both personal freedoms, including rights such as gun ownership, but at the same time believe firmly in responsible ownership. That would include training and security checks.
So I believe in balance. Whether we have the correct balance in society now or not is certainly up for debate. Events like the horrible atrocity that occurred in Las Vegas certainly does make one pause and ponder this question so people's concern is understandable indeed.
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People are the mindset. Mindset pulls trigger.
Another false flag for MORE PEOPLE CONTROL.
Should we ban vehicles? Drunk driving manslaughter all day all nite.
i already commented on vehicles in the post but another point for vehicles.
They serve an important purpose in day to day life. guns in the hands of civilians, especially high powered and assault rifles, do not.
so you are saying that you advocate only government agencies to have guns?
Historically - that leads down a very dangerous path....
https://freedomoutpost.com/gun-control-dictator-style-tyrants-who-banned-firearms-before-slaughtering-the-people/
Again im not against guns, there just needs to be stricter laws about the type of weapons a civilian can have
their is not policy without problem .the main issue here is that many people in this our world have turn against their fellow human being .and to curb this government have to find more suitable means of weapon handling.to mapout the kind of gun and individual need to have not a military weapon.i hope that will help to curb this kind of act.
I just thought I'd check in to see if you were still thinking positive, when I came across your post. All the things you say make sense, but the gun law lobbyists are the ones you have to ban. If you have no lobbyists then gradually you will slow down. Gun laws won't change as we know they won't, to limit how people can buy them will help, but if you can't change the law and people still buy guns?? I still say: stop the lobbying would be a positive step. Happy Steeming!
I believe this to be a straw-man argument....http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/knife-killings-on-the-rise-in-australia-as-gun-murders-fall-says-new-criminology-report/news-story/8abb94fcce1a98675f771b2d183875f9
like i said, cant kill 50 people and injure 500 more with a knife, but whatever you say.
Yeah fair point, but people who want to kill people will always find a way. They hijack trucks and run people over, hijack planes and fly them into buildings, they build their own bombs, they buy black-market weapons with money sent to them from terrorist organisations...I'm sure anybody with half a brain and a desire to kill people can and will do it...
Having said that, I do think it's an important discussion to be had and Avi Yemini did a pretty good video about this on Facebook this morning, check it out if you want.
https://www.facebook.com/OzraeliAvi/videos/750650041726138/
I dont really like Avi Yemini to be honest, i was a member of his Krav Maga gym for a short period and hes a bit of a knob. Ill watch that when i get home from work and i agree people will always find a way i just think gun control would help minimise the danger. Although maybe not now since the U.S has so many in circulation already.
Look at the amount of stabbings England has. Gun control doesn't work to limit violence.
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I like how everyone compares America to other countries to try and convince us we're doing something wrong.
America is different than every other country on the planet, and has been for the last almost 250 years. We were one of the first to have the balls to stand up to the people who said we can't be who we want to be.
America = Freedom.
Yeah, we've got our problems, and I feel like we act as a bully to smaller countries, but our freedom to possess guns is rooted in our knowledge that in order to preserve our way of life, we may need to fight some more people that say we can't. Every American has the right to own a gun, because you never know when someone is going to try and take what's yours.
America is so far from free its ludicrous, and the mindset that everyone is against you and you may need to kill them is one of the biggest issues the world faces.
I agree your government is fkd and if i lived there i would want to own guns to protect myself too. They are too far gone now.
In relation to comparing you to other countries, you are similiar in a lot of ways and in a lot of ways youre not but if you think America was the first to stand up to people you need to have a look at history.
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America without free weapons will be a completely different America, not original. This is not bad and not good - it will be different. And it is not known what will happen from this.
yea, i dunno if it would be better or worse. But honestly from an outsiders perspective america is pretty fucked up in alot of ways at the moment and something needs to change.
A Russian submarine?
Such a touchy subject and one that needs a lot of discussion. As a Canadian I am glad we have strict gun regulation. As an outsider it is easy for you and I to say that guns are the problem, but there is more to it than just the guns. America is a huge country with a lot of problems within, asking people to give up their guns when they don't trust their neighbor, let alone the government, is unlikely to be successful. The big thing is, this needs to be an open discussion, not just a "I am right, you are wrong" type thing that we've seen for too long
i don't necessarily think they should give up guns but no civilian needs an assault rifle you know? and to be fair if i lived in america i would probably want access to guns as well. Im worried they are too far gone now that gun control wouldnt help anyway but yea discussion is necessary.
"Assault" is a term the media uses to inflame people. A fully automatic weapon is already restricted and illegal for most people, the exception being dealers and exceptions approved by government. Semi-automatic is only allowed to be sold to the general public.
https://www.sciencealert.com/studies-show-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-to-save-lives
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"From a historical study of weapons and political dynamics, Quigley concludes that the characteristics of weapons are the main predictor of democracy. Democracy tends to emerge only when the best weapons available are easy for individuals to buy and use. This explains why democracy occurs so rarely in human history.
In the 1800s (peaking in the 1880s), guns were the best weapon available. In America, almost everyone could afford to buy a gun, and could learn how to use it fairly easily. Governments couldn't do any better: it became the age of mass armies of citizen soldiers with guns (Similarly, Periclean Greece was an age of the citizen soldier and of democracy).
In the 1900s, expensive, specialist weapons (such as tanks and bombers) became available, and citizen soldiers became dominated by specialist soldiers. Quigley notes that the slaughter of World War I (1914-1918) was due to the mismatch between the traditional armies (citizen soldiers) and the available weapons (machine guns used defensively)."
Carroll Quigley: "Weapons Systems and Political Stability"
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Nope, still don't need gun control. That's what this event was all about. To make American citizens give up their guns. Well it's not going to happen.
you're deluded buddy
I'm deluded? Lol,criminals are criminals because they don't abide by the law. Just because they make stricter guns laws does not mean it will stop criminals from getting guns to commit crimes with.
Did you know there was almost a terrorist attack in Garland, TX a few years back?
They had a bomb in a van, a couple of guys that had concealed carry permits stopped it. But what would have happened if they didn't have guns?
My house was broken into in the middle of the night, by 2 masked men, if I didn't have a gun what do you think would have happened?
What will you do if someone does that to you?
Considering how I'm deluded then that would make you a victim.
Who's deluded now?
oh one example of guns saving lives woo. theres a pattern of gun violence because you have guns, one example isnt enough to change that.
what will i do? considering most criminals here dont have guns ill stab them with my 7 inch hunting knife or beat them down using krav maga and kickboxing.
ive never been a victim.
still you. Everything is so they can take away your guns lol. yea ok
Nobody is taking my guns, and I have 14 years of martial arts training so I don't really need a gun anyways. But it's called the second amendment. As a law abiding citizens we have the rights to bare arms. Some states like California and New York violated the law of the US Constitution, by evoking their own gun control laws on a state level. You should read up on Agenda 2020 and find out why they want to disarm citizens of every country. But that's probably ok with you, your probably one track mind type of person. You should stop trolling people, when you don't know what your talking about.
oh here we go "our amendments and freedoms" crap.
Let me say this then since i dont know what im talking about.
We all had guns, then we had gun control. homicide rate dropped by 50-60% over 5 years. gun control works.
America has guns, homicide rate has had no noticeable decline. Hasn't tried gun control but says it doesnt work.
Logic/10?
Have you ever been to America there are neiborhoods that are so bad, that the police don't even go in. I don't know if you know how different the US is from Australia?
to be honest i dont know much about switzerland, what are there gun laws mass shootings like?